I was also hyped for the Warhammer Total War trailers and they were all gold especially the Dwarfs trailer:AccursedTheory said:
My problems with cinematic trailers, and how people go ape shit crazy over them
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I just see cinematic trailers as a presentation. Ok sometime it can get me hyped up but I leave my final verdict on wanting the game or not when I see some actual gameplay in the future trailers.
I think the days of over-budget, over-blown trailers are almost behind us. After all, Square used to be the kings of that kind of thing.
Remember this not-at-all waste of resources? Yeah, we know it's a tech demo now but 4 years ago we were convinced that was going to be something. I think a bigger problem this generation is fake demos like what Ubisoft like to do; things like Assassin's Creed Unity and, Aliens: Colonial Marines which are infamous examples. Another problem area would be Alpha, Beta and, Pre-Alpha footage since that kind of thing can be changed pretty drastically between when we get those first trailers and when the game launches.
There's one more, very new issue that just came about not too long ago and it's the P.T. style demo. I liked P.T. and Allison Road looked decent too. Our newest flavor of these things came with Biohazard: Resident Evil VII and before E3 had even ended, we heard that what was in the demo would be completely absent from RE7 itself. Since we don't know anything about Resi-7 yet, the demo (which seemed great) might as well have been called anything but Resident Evil 7. I can't wait until 2018 or 2019 when we see the release of early Resident Evil 7 game builds where it is just a straight-up followup to Resi-6! Hopefully that's not what we get.
TL;DR - When I see a pre-rendered trailer for an upcoming game, especially if it's an announcement trailer, I see that as confirmation that company A is working on game A and nothing more. It's hard to trust gameplay trailers too unless it's a game that another region of the planet already has widely available to its public. I'll trust a Yokai Watch 2 or Shin Megami Tensei pound-sign FE gameplay trailer before I trust the Dishonored 2, Breath of the Wild or, Resi 7 trailers even though I want those to be true.
Remember this not-at-all waste of resources? Yeah, we know it's a tech demo now but 4 years ago we were convinced that was going to be something. I think a bigger problem this generation is fake demos like what Ubisoft like to do; things like Assassin's Creed Unity and, Aliens: Colonial Marines which are infamous examples. Another problem area would be Alpha, Beta and, Pre-Alpha footage since that kind of thing can be changed pretty drastically between when we get those first trailers and when the game launches.
There's one more, very new issue that just came about not too long ago and it's the P.T. style demo. I liked P.T. and Allison Road looked decent too. Our newest flavor of these things came with Biohazard: Resident Evil VII and before E3 had even ended, we heard that what was in the demo would be completely absent from RE7 itself. Since we don't know anything about Resi-7 yet, the demo (which seemed great) might as well have been called anything but Resident Evil 7. I can't wait until 2018 or 2019 when we see the release of early Resident Evil 7 game builds where it is just a straight-up followup to Resi-6! Hopefully that's not what we get.
TL;DR - When I see a pre-rendered trailer for an upcoming game, especially if it's an announcement trailer, I see that as confirmation that company A is working on game A and nothing more. It's hard to trust gameplay trailers too unless it's a game that another region of the planet already has widely available to its public. I'll trust a Yokai Watch 2 or Shin Megami Tensei pound-sign FE gameplay trailer before I trust the Dishonored 2, Breath of the Wild or, Resi 7 trailers even though I want those to be true.
Yer startin off with some highly subjective statements.sgy0003 said:
OT: I like cinematic trailers. When well executed they can be wonderful to watch, they pique my interest in games I've never heard of, and I mark out unashamedly when I realize that what's being revealed is a sequel to a game I enjoyed. I personally keep my expectations measured until I see reviews, but I see no advantage in preemptively assuming the worst, and I'm certainly not going to begrudge someone if they don't want to be a jaded snob like me and just soak up the marketing and uncritically enjoy things.
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That depends.Bilious Green said:
Dishonored's CGI trailer pretty accurately portrayed a bunch of mechanics that were in the game.
Prey 2's trailer was basically the same as the gameplay snippet we were shown (only smaller scale and less verticality).
It's not unreasonable to see a concept in a CGI trailer and be excited about what'll translate into the game.
It's one of the reasons I was excited about Prey at E3.
Same, I like cinematic trailers but I'll need to see some gameplay too, even if the trailer has some aspects that will translate to in-game.Bob_McMillan said:
Here's the thing, with most, not all, but most trailers, you can sort of get an idea of what the games going to be like, especially with sequels.
Played Dishonored? Well, the Dishonored 2 trailer looks pretty familiar, doesn't it?
I will agree that I definitely wished I saw gameplay of Death Stranding though because I have no idea what that game is supposed to be. It would have been nice to buy into the hype of seeing Kojima or Norman Reedus but I've never been a fan of them, not for any particular reason just never got into 'em was all. Not knocking people who are excited at all and heck, I'm interested to see what this is, I just wish I had some inkling of what it was going to be.
Meh.Samtemdo8 said:
I found it a bit dull. I mean, it's pre-rendered trailer of WH40K. They could have shown anything and they spend most of the screentime on some space marine standing around smiling at shit. I want sweet pre-rendered action damn it, and that had hardly any.
The prayer/mantra narration thingy was kinda cool though, in a cheesy sort of way.
Can't really comment on gameplay. RTSs all look the same to me. Not my genre.
Although that was clearly a heavily scripted tutorial/intro level. I'd be more interested in seeing a mutliplayer match.
I wonder what die-hard fans of the series think about the change in art style.
I think cinematic trailers have their place in the industry as one of the most effective ways to show potential customers that you are making something interesting, to hype them up basically.
While I agree that some people overreact to such trailers, I think that the vast majority of people aren't as succeptible to such feelings and react to such trailers as to what they are: advertisment.
As for your particular example, I think it was mostly a reaction to Kojima being back in the game with more weird stuff to make.
While I agree that some people overreact to such trailers, I think that the vast majority of people aren't as succeptible to such feelings and react to such trailers as to what they are: advertisment.
As for your particular example, I think it was mostly a reaction to Kojima being back in the game with more weird stuff to make.
Personally I think that Kojima game cinematic trailer was a load of crap, if it was anyone else people would say how pretentious it looks. Just because it was a Kojima game its a masterpiece right from the gate. Not that I hate the guys work or anything, I did like Metal Gear, when it wasn't being MGS2 or MGS4...
As for cinematic trailers, a total waste of time and money. The most useful thing they ever do is feature at the beginning of the game as an opening cinematic, but even then a lot of cinematic trailers don't even relate to a level in the game and don't fit into the story at all, like the Assassin Creed cinematic trailers. All the time and money that went in should go into QA and bug testing, so the game comes out polished day one, and we don't get missing Ubisoft faces. I don't know how much these things cost, but it must be alot because the cinematics look really good graphically, like 1/20th of a animated movie, so it must cost a lot.
As for cinematic trailers, a total waste of time and money. The most useful thing they ever do is feature at the beginning of the game as an opening cinematic, but even then a lot of cinematic trailers don't even relate to a level in the game and don't fit into the story at all, like the Assassin Creed cinematic trailers. All the time and money that went in should go into QA and bug testing, so the game comes out polished day one, and we don't get missing Ubisoft faces. I don't know how much these things cost, but it must be alot because the cinematics look really good graphically, like 1/20th of a animated movie, so it must cost a lot.
AccursedTheory said:
That's really the only way to hype an RTS though, because no emotion could be conjured up by merely showing gameplay. I'm waiting for the day when hardware is powerful enough to render massive RTS battles with the level of detail found in most other game genres, let alone these CGI trailers. Right now there is still a pretty massive disconnect.
The thing is, Kojima doesn't have anything but that trailer yet.sgy0003 said:
He has an engine, some 3D models and an actor who wants to collaborate with him but that's about it.
I've read that the writer "will start working on the script soon" (maybe he has started but it's not even close to being done).
I remember the quality of some of the old pre-rendered cut scenes in games and they were used for trailers, these days I can only think of Final Fantasy and Blizzard that do these sort of cool shots and whilst I wont buy a game based on these sort of trailers I do still enjoy them and that makes me more accepting of the game its self.
Honestly I think the first two games trailers were better, the only bit I liked was seeing the Imperial Knight vs the Eldar Knight, I demand more bloody action scenes from my 40k trailers.AccursedTheory said:
The hype is due to Kojima, not about Dead Stranding. He could have presented an Overwatch-like game and people would have freaked out about it. On the other hand, if someone else showed that trailer, we would have scratched our head in puzzlement for a few minutes, then promptly forgot about it until the next trailer is released.
for me i played the game then heard about the controversy and decided to watch the trailer. what can i say. i liked it and it was interesting finding that hotel room from the trailer, but i can see how people would be pissed if that was their first encounter with the franchiseDoPo said:
Not saying it's a bad game. Heck, I've not even played it, so I am unable judge. But I didn't play it because I'm not that much into zombie games. I saw the trailer, saw it had zombies and it went into my "maybe check after its released" mental pile. Come release and suddenly a lot of people came out of the woodworks criticising the game because of that trailer. It was a really bizarre experience. There were people claiming that they pre-ordered the game based on the trailer and were subsequently let down. To be quite honest, I still don't understand that, but I've given up trying to.pookie101 said:
It was the first large "incident" of this sort, though.
My theory on the hubub about Dead Island is as follows:DoPo said:
1 group was angry about it's depection of the death of the child. I remember one guy specifically showing his reaction to the trailer, and he couldn't get more than a few seconds in, before he was too upset/angry about the "violence to children". So there's that group criticizing the trailer.
Another group was hyped because, based on the same trailer, they thought it was going to perhaps be a "deep" zombie game. Not just the mindless horde coming at you, but actually trying to convey the personal horror/loss of having those you love, turn on you and try and eat you. What better way to show that, than to show the corruption of one of the most universally thought of "pure" things, an innocent, little child. So then, when they actually got the game, and it wasn't what they wanted, they were upset. A classic example of the product not living up to the hype.
And while I wasn't in the "BETRAAAAAYALLL!!" camp, I did really enjoy the trailer, and thought it was going to be a nice new take on the zombie genre. I never played it, because like you I just put it on the "maybe I'll get it on sale later" shelf, and forgot about it. But then I heard about the reviews, and was glad I never bothered.
Yeah, i have the same approach. Haven't fail me yet.Zhukov said:
And QOD: Here's a comparison of one of the recent Hitman trailers with actual gameplay:
Granted it's a nostalgic trailer composed from "hits" we did in older games, but it just highlights how far can the changes go. (Also, i really like this trailer)