My theories on One Piece's possible endgame and climax. (SPOILERS ABOUND)

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Samtemdo8 said:
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Samtemdo8 said:
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So a different question, if Crocus, Buggy and Shanks were once part of Gold Roger's Crew, then were they there when Roger found the One Piece?
Very likely yes. But with the way you have to navigate there, it's likely they couldn't get there again if they wanted to. It's also possible, if in fact Roger left his own treasure there and wasn't just enticing people to discover the secrets of the world, that he went there multiple times, including after the crew broke apart. That way, Buggy would be thinking "I was at Raftel, we didn't leave a treasure there."
I have now 2 more questions:

1. I have this theory that basically Monkey D. Dragon is not only a devil fruit user but that he himself has the same devil fruit power as Gold Roger and he got it after Roger's death. Since this show clearly established that when a Devil Fruit user dies, the "essence" of the fruit is released to be grown again somewhere in the world. So is whatever Dragon's powers are I am calling it that this was Roger's own power that Dragon has taken for himself. Dragon has the powers of a Pirate King.

2. Considering what's at stake and the enemies that Luffy is facing, Kaido the Stongest Creature in the World, and this Im, the so called King of the World. Is it fair to say that Luffy might end up becoming MORE then merely just the Pirate King by the end of this?
1 is a stretch to say the least. Both Gol D. Roger and Monkey D. Dragon's specific abilities are largely unknown at this juncture. We know that, as Pirate King, Roger was supposed to be incredibly powerful, to the point that Garp's claim to fame is intimately tied to his ability to go toe to toe with him. Dragon's abilities have only ever been alluded to through the power of his subordinates and how much the World Government wants him dead. And as demonstrated by Spandam and the scholars of Ohara, respectively, neither of those is a particularly reliable metric. More to the point, there's little indication that either Roger or Dragon even ate a Devil Fruit (unless we assume that Dragon is actively causing the dramatic weather effects around him with a devil fruit power), much less that they ate the same one.

Regarding 2..."merely" Pirate King? The Pirate King is not a ruler who sits on a throne. It is the person that the world acknowledges as the strongest Pirate alive and - due to the inciting incident for the Golden Age of Piracy in the story - who owns "One Piece". Or as Luffy put it, they are the person with the most freedom on the sea. It is not a title that is lesser than that of Kaido's "Strongest Monster". Indeed, Kaido, the "Stongest Monster", one of the "Four Emperors" is merely considered a likely candidate to become the next Pirate King. I think Jinbe summed up the reputation of the title quite nicely when he said that as someone who wanted to be part of the future Pirate King's crew, he couldn't be intimidated by a mere Yonko. Pirate King's the dream, not the stepping stone to something better.
 

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Asita said:
Samtemdo8 said:
tstorm823 said:
Samtemdo8 said:
tstorm823 said:
So a different question, if Crocus, Buggy and Shanks were once part of Gold Roger's Crew, then were they there when Roger found the One Piece?
Very likely yes. But with the way you have to navigate there, it's likely they couldn't get there again if they wanted to. It's also possible, if in fact Roger left his own treasure there and wasn't just enticing people to discover the secrets of the world, that he went there multiple times, including after the crew broke apart. That way, Buggy would be thinking "I was at Raftel, we didn't leave a treasure there."
I have now 2 more questions:

1. I have this theory that basically Monkey D. Dragon is not only a devil fruit user but that he himself has the same devil fruit power as Gold Roger and he got it after Roger's death. Since this show clearly established that when a Devil Fruit user dies, the "essence" of the fruit is released to be grown again somewhere in the world. So is whatever Dragon's powers are I am calling it that this was Roger's own power that Dragon has taken for himself. Dragon has the powers of a Pirate King.

2. Considering what's at stake and the enemies that Luffy is facing, Kaido the Stongest Creature in the World, and this Im, the so called King of the World. Is it fair to say that Luffy might end up becoming MORE then merely just the Pirate King by the end of this?
1 is a stretch to say the least. Both Gol D. Roger and Monkey D. Dragon's specific abilities are largely unknown at this juncture. We know that, as Pirate King, Roger was supposed to be incredibly powerful, to the point that Garp's claim to fame is intimately tied to his ability to go toe to toe with him. Dragon's abilities have only ever been alluded to through the power of his subordinates and how much the World Government wants him dead. And as demonstrated by Spandam and the scholars of Ohara, respectively, neither of those is a particularly reliable metric. More to the point, there's little indication that either Roger or Dragon even ate a Devil Fruit (unless we assume that Dragon is actively causing the dramatic weather effects around him with a devil fruit power), much less that they ate the same one.

Regarding 2..."merely" Pirate King? The Pirate King is not a ruler who sits on a throne. It is the person that the world acknowledges as the strongest Pirate alive and - due to the inciting incident for the Golden Age of Piracy in the story - who owns "One Piece". Or as Luffy put it, they are the person with the most freedom on the sea. It is not a title that is lesser than that of Kaido's "Strongest Monster". Indeed, Kaido, the "Stongest Monster", one of the "Four Emperors" is merely considered a likely candidate to become the next Pirate King. I think Jinbe summed up the reputation of the title quite nicely when he said that as someone who wanted to be part of the future Pirate King's crew, he couldn't be intimidated by a mere Yonko. Pirate King's the dream, not the stepping stone to something better.
My other theory is that Dragon or Roger's power was Uranus. And that Uranus is a devil fruit, arguably the most powerful one in existence.

Pluton as discussed before is a Battleship. Neptune is a form of power that only a Mermaid Princess can possess. My guess is Uranus is some form of power or weapon or even devil fruit to harness the skies and weather.
 

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Samtemdo8 said:
I have now 2 more questions:

1. I have this theory that basically Monkey D. Dragon is not only a devil fruit user but that he himself has the same devil fruit power as Gold Roger and he got it after Roger's death. Since this show clearly established that when a Devil Fruit user dies, the "essence" of the fruit is released to be grown again somewhere in the world. So is whatever Dragon's powers are I am calling it that this was Roger's own power that Dragon has taken for himself. Dragon has the powers of a Pirate King.

2. Considering what's at stake and the enemies that Luffy is facing, Kaido the Stongest Creature in the World, and this Im, the so called King of the World. Is it fair to say that Luffy might end up becoming MORE then merely just the Pirate King by the end of this?
I don't know if there's good evidence for 1, but I certainly wouldn't count it out. They haven't mentioned Roger having a devil fruit, but I don't know if they've ever shown Gold Roger swimming either. Dragon definitely has Yonko level strength at minimum to carry his current reputation. I hope he and Luffy have to fight though. Just cause.

For 2, I guarantee people try and give Luffy titles and power at the end of the series, but only so that he can turn them all down, and then probably his menagerie of princesses can fill in on running the world.
 

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tstorm823 said:
Samtemdo8 said:
I have now 2 more questions:

1. I have this theory that basically Monkey D. Dragon is not only a devil fruit user but that he himself has the same devil fruit power as Gold Roger and he got it after Roger's death. Since this show clearly established that when a Devil Fruit user dies, the "essence" of the fruit is released to be grown again somewhere in the world. So is whatever Dragon's powers are I am calling it that this was Roger's own power that Dragon has taken for himself. Dragon has the powers of a Pirate King.

2. Considering what's at stake and the enemies that Luffy is facing, Kaido the Stongest Creature in the World, and this Im, the so called King of the World. Is it fair to say that Luffy might end up becoming MORE then merely just the Pirate King by the end of this?
I don't know if there's good evidence for 1, but I certainly wouldn't count it out. They haven't mentioned Roger having a devil fruit, but I don't know if they've ever shown Gold Roger swimming either. Dragon definitely has Yonko level strength at minimum to carry his current reputation. I hope he and Luffy have to fight though. Just cause.

For 2, I guarantee people try and give Luffy titles and power at the end of the series, but only so that he can turn them all down, and then probably his menagerie of princesses can fill in on running the world.
Oh that is absolutely something I am calling at the moment.

Because most of the times a Revolution to overthrow a tyrannical government tends to be done by people who wants be the Tyrant themselves. I don't know how far Dragon's ambitions are but based on history I can totally see him taking the Empty Throne for himself.

I mean even Dragon's design screams "I look like a bad guy", for all I know he might end up being the Plot Twist Bad guy.