My thought process during the end of ME3. (SPOILERS)

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SajuukKhar

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Arina Love said:
and that's why ME3 endings totally suck. Game with choices that don't mean anything. But i guess biodrones will like anything.
Lets see
Bauldr's gate 1
Baldur's Gate 2
Fallout 1
Fallout 2
Fallout 3
Fallout New vegas
Neverwinter Nights

ALL of those games and more had different endings based on your choices and ALL of those endings were meaningless because the devs said 90% of what you could have pick is wrong in the next game.

There has NEVER been a game where your choices have truly affected the ending because DEVS ALWAYS invalidate 90% of the things you could have chosen later.

If you don't relize that then you are simply blinded by hate.

The only thing ME3 did different was have the balls to tell you your chosen don't really matter at the end instead of lieing to you for years and making you think they did.
 

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SajuukKhar said:
Arina Love said:
and that's why ME3 endings totally suck. Game with choices that don't mean anything. But i guess biodrones will like anything.
Lets see
Bauldr's gate 1
Baldur's Gate 2
Fallout 1
Fallout 2
Fallout 3
Fallout New vegas
Neverwinter Nights

ALL of those games and more had different endings based on your choices and ALL of those endings were meaningless because the devs said 90% of what you could have pick is wrong in the next game.

There has NEVER been a game where your choices have truly affected the ending because DEVS ALWAYS invalidate 90% of the things you could have chosen later.

If you don't relize that then you are simply blinded by hate.

The only thing ME3 did different was have the balls to tell you your chosen don't really matter at the end instead of lieing to you for years and making you think they did.
SO? Tech or money constraint's or just incompetence of the time wouldn't allow for choices to carry over now it's absolutely possible your argument is invalid.

well typical bioware drone praising gevs for making choices meaningless.
 

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Arina Love said:
SO? Tech or money constraint's or just incompetence of the time wouldn't allow for choices to carry over now it's absolutely possible your argument is invalid.

well typical bioware drode praising gevs for making choices meaningless.
Do you even realize how stupidly hard it was for them to get ME3 even as far as it was in showing your choices from the first two games?

Do you realize that to carry over THAT many possible decisions from 3 games would require them to make what amounts to three separate games at once?

do you understand how economically un-viable that is for anyone?

I don't think you do. I don't think you understand how hard it is to code choice over a game series.

Their HAD to be a kill off point were they said your actions past this point don't matter, if you didn't expect that you have no clue on how games work and really have n o right to post an opinion about it.
 

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SajuukKhar said:
Arina Love said:
SO? Tech or money constraint's or just incompetence of the time wouldn't allow for choices to carry over now it's absolutely possible your argument is invalid.

well typical bioware drode praising gevs for making choices meaningless.
Do you even realize how stupidly hard it was for them to get ME3 even as far as it was in showing your choices from the first two games?

Do you realize that to carry over THAT many possible decisions from 3 games would require them to make what amounts to three separate games at once?

do you understand how economically un-viable that is for anyone?

I don't think you do. I don't think you understand how hard it is to code choice over a game series.

Their HAD to be a kill off point were they said your actions past this point don't matter, if you didn't expect that you have no clue on how games work and really have n o right to post an opinion about it.
it doesn't make ending suck any less. i don't care if it's hard or not that making ton of money so they have to work hard.
No they didn't have to. it's only your opinion and it's worth shit.
keep bashing your head, biodrone, you will don't defend or convert anything.
 

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Oh bullshit. The only threat to the galactic civilizations that ever had anything to do with the relays was the reapers. What exactly would happen if they DID continue on this path and leave the relays intact? Would they suddenly turn into dumbasses and stop progressing? For what reason?

And if the slave master is dead, doesn't that technically mean they're *free*? How and why is it worse? Is there some chip implanted in every organic's brain whose existence depends only on the relays that keeps us from learning how to use the technology properly? Do you feel bad about learning advanced physics in school because you didn't have to discover gravity by yourself? Do you feel bad for driving a car without building the engine yourself?

What's all this predicting-the-future nonsense? And what about the "societal path"? It's stated in the DLC that Protheans were an all-consuming imperium and had a very different society from the one the galactic council has right now. So there you go, proof that mass relays don't force society to develop a certain way. The geth have always desired to commune with the quarians: proof that synthetics don't always want to rebel against organics. In fact the entire Quarian vs Geth war is based on the fact that the Quarians were the warmongers while the Geth were just trying to get along, and they didn't think twice about forming a mutual cooperation even after the quarians tried to wipe them out over and over.
Given the fact that according to Matriarch Aethyta the Asari are total unwilling to even attempt to build a Mass relay of their own, and that The citadel counsel has banned almost all studying of the Mass relays, The citadel, and the Keepers out of fear of losing them, the logical outcome is that they would reach the pointjust bellow the Mass relays and stop technologically because they have no idea there is any better because they spend their entire lives trying to protect it that they have no real idea of what it is they are trying to protect.

them being completely ignorant of what the things they posses really and their ignorance being their downfall was a GIANT deal in ME1, and was stated by Sovereign on Virmire.
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How can one be free if they still wear the chains of their masters and still working within the limits their masters set for them never going beyond them? The answer is that they cant.

Secondly your comparisons are totally different because those things were made by humans, for humans, to help humans. while the Mass Relays were built by The Reapers, to help the reapers, and to limit civilization

You are comparing apples to oranges
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I never said they could predict the future, don't make things up

Secondly there are many societal paths that can emerge that fall within the same limits.

Thirdly the Geth have always wanted to communicate wit the quarrians peaceful yes, HOWEVER the only reason why the peace was able to be brokered between the two species is because of the Reaper invasion.

Has the reapers not shown up things would have played out VERY differently.

The Geth would have stayed behind the Perseus Veil suffering form attacks by the quarrians and other Organics who don't like synthetics and eventually an event very well could have happened that caused them to feel like it was necessary to go to war.
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You cant just say that because peace was brokered with the geth because the Reaper invasions allowed it that the same peace would be established had the reaper Invasions never happened

It simply doesn't work that way.
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so yeah, you are either completely ignoring everything sovereign said in ME1 and what was hinted at in both ME2 and Me3, or you are so deep in a hate campaign against bioware to see how it actually makes sense if you payed attention.
 

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Arina Love said:
it doesn't make ending suck any less. i don't care if it's hard or not that making ton of money so they have to work hard.
No they didn't have to. it's only your opinion and it's worth shit.
keep bashing your head, biodrone, you will don't defend or convert anything.
I don't actually like bioware that much, I just hate people who make up shit about games to spread hate campaigns more.

Also calling me a biodrone when you have no idea about my attitude towards Bioware is silly.

Actually it is kinda sad you stooped THAT low instead of making an argument.
 

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SajuukKhar said:
Arina Love said:
it doesn't make ending suck any less. i don't care if it's hard or not that making ton of money so they have to work hard.
No they didn't have to. it's only your opinion and it's worth shit.
keep bashing your head, biodrone, you will don't defend or convert anything.
I don't actually like bioware that much, I just hate people who make up shit about games to spread hate campaigns more.

Also calling me a biodrone when you have no idea about my attitude towards Bioware is silly.

Actually it is kinda sad you stooped THAT low instead of making an argument.
low ha how about you talking about how i don't have a right to voice my opinions.
and only making shit up is you and your opinionated posts, you are so blinded by fanboy love to see that your arguments is only opinions nothing more.
 

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Arina Love said:
low ha how about you talking about how i don't have a right to voice my opinions.
and only making shit up is you and your opinionated posts, you are so blinded by fanboy love to see that your arguments is only opinions nothing more.
Yes because a person who hates the gameplay of bioware's games and fined their writing to be mediocre is a fanboy?

I swear its sad to see how far haters will go even against people who don't like what they hate.
 

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SajuukKhar said:
Arina Love said:
low ha how about you talking about how i don't have a right to voice my opinions.
and only making shit up is you and your opinionated posts, you are so blinded by fanboy love to see that your arguments is only opinions nothing more.
Yes because a person who hates the gameplay of bioware's games and fined their writing to be mediocre is a fanboy?

I swear its sad to see how far haters will go even against people who don't like what they hate.
and person that have different opinions on ending is hater and making thing up in hate campaign? ha hypocrite much?? :D
 

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Arina Love said:
and person that have different opinions on ending is hater and making thing up in hate campaign? ha hypocrite much?? :D
Except eeything I have said was stated in-game.

No it isnt made up

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Arina Love said:
and person that have different opinions on ending is hater and making thing up in hate campaign? ha hypocrite much?? :D
Except eeything I have said was stated in-game.

No it isnt made up

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part of it yeah but a lot was speculation and free interpenetration mixed with opinions. So yeah all your head bashing will not change that a lot of people hate ME3 ending.
 

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You do brin up valid points, but they really only apply to one of the three endings...and that's actually the Renegade ending that everyone thinks is the Paragon ending just because the vision Shepard has involves Anderson destroying the console or whatever. It's quite clear, though, that simply destroying all synthetic life is the least long-term effective plan, as pretty much everything you said would indeed eventually happen and in the end the galaxy would likely be a lot worse off.
I think you're missing the fact that every single ending involves all of the relays being destroyed. In every ending, when the beam of whatever color gets fired through a relay, the relay explodes in the act.

No matter which ending you choose, galactic civilization collapses. The only difference is whether or not the Reapers are still alive.
And I think that you're missing the rest of my post that you quoted, as I most specifically DID adress the issue of the mass relays.

RJ 17 said:
Anyways, the other two options are much better plans. As I mentioned before, the real Paragon ending is to take control of the Reapers. Yes, all the relays are destroyed...but the Reapers are still hanging around in the galaxy. The fact that blowing up the relay in Arrival didn't effectively hault the Reaper invasion by simply isolating them into a single star system (which even in Arrival they said that all this would do is slow them down a few months, maybe a year tops) shows that the Reapers can move quickly throughout the galaxy even without the relays. And now that there is a benevolent will controling them - i.e. Paragon Shepard - the terrifying destroyers of the galaxy can now become instrumental in the galaxy's reconstruction, it is very possible that the Reaper fleet could rebuild the relays.
Of course civilization is going to collapse, it had just been through the largest war in the history of ever. It's going to take time, a LONG time, to rebuild after this, the point is that Shepard's sacrifice gives the galaxy that time. He/She gives the galaxy it's future and hope back. In time, with the aid of the Reapers (if controlled) and/or each other (if synthesized), people will harness the technology of Mass Relays and be zipping around the galaxy again. But first they need to rebuild their societies. Keep in mind that just because the relays are gone doesn't mean that all technology is gone. It'll take time to get things up and running again, but if the Protheans found out how to build a mini mass relay (the Conduit), then surely the races of this cycle could figure it out as well.
 

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The destruction of the mass relays is supposed to be bittersweet. It is taking a harsh life and freedom, rather than an easy life chosen for you by others.

The relays made societies develop the way the reapers desired them to. The relays' destruction will provoke different technological advancement, as spacefaring societies no longer have the crutch of tech given to them.

The destruction of the relays is the fulfilment of the self-determination message of mass effect. It is better be be free in Africa than a slave in Rome. Freedom is the only thing of value, a comfortable existence given to you by others, and not worked for is unfulfilling.

When the races develop better FTL technology themselves it will be the proof to them that they can survive without the shadow of the reapers, that their races are equal to the reapers and don't need to depend on them.
If the relays hadn't been destroyed there would have been no incentive to independently develop alternatives.


Also I have a feeling that life won't be so bad for the Normandy Survivors.... as long as you gained the allegiance of the blue suns of course... since they crashed on the tropical planet of Zorya. http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4104/5042593786_5da674485c.jpg
 

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SajuukKhar said:
Arina Love said:
Yeah it's a bad ending horrible. It's poorly constructed, lacking choice. There is nothing wrong with relays, only thing that needed destruction is reapers.
Entirely wrong

the reapers built the Mass relays so that civilizations would develop technology from them, which is why all races ended up making almost the exact same technology, this dependance on the Mass Relays also causes races to limit what they make and what things they develop.
I'm confused.

In the other thread you complained that the use of the relays made all species complacent, that no one studied them or wanted to recreate them.

Now you say the use of reaper technology, study of it and development of new technology from it is exactly what the Reapers wanted.

What's it gonna be?
 

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poiumty said:
The geth have always desired to commune with the quarians: proof that synthetics don't always want to rebel against organics. In fact the entire Quarian vs Geth war is based on the fact that the Quarians were the warmongers while the Geth were just trying to get along, and they didn't think twice about forming a mutual cooperation even after the quarians tried to wipe them out over and over.
This is where the story falls apart completely. Reapers motivation is to stop the chaos of organics vs synthetics 'inevitable war' by waging an even bigger all out galactic war with organics and making them all turn against each other, and then eventually killing them all or harvesting them. IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY FUCKIN' SENSE! That's not how you stop conflict. And why do they even care? Why do they give a shit about what galactic civilizations are doing? If they cared so much they wouldn't kill billions of them. If your idea of stopping a conflict is to kill everyone involved in it, why not just let them do it to themselves?
 

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You know, plot-holes aside, that sounded like a fantastic ending.

Except the plot holes kind of blew it. I guess Geneforge 2's endings remain my favorites.
 

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By the way guys, for those of you who don't like the ending, there's something else that is extremely likely. Shepard was indoctrinated/passed out before he got up to the Citadel or before the Catalyst lifted him up.

Here's some hints at that:

-During Shepard's final dream with the child, chatter can be heard over the radio about nobody making it to the beam. Shepard is still in London.

-Shepard wakes up after Destroy, because the Reaper's hold is diminished. Shepard does not awake in the other 2 "endings" because you are fully indoctrinated by the choices you made to allow the Reapers to win. "Assuming Control!"

-When Anderson calls for Shepard at the beginning of the game, when Shepard is talking to the child, Shepard turns back and the child is gone. Shepard has been "snapped out of it".

-When Shepard turns towards Anderson after being "snapped out of it", a growl is heard. In the third novel, when Greyson resisted the reapers they would make a growling noise once they realized they didn't have him under complete control.

-When Shepard catches the child in the final dream, they are both engulfed in flame. Going with the child (the
reapers) means Shepard's destruction.

-Shepard has spent alot of time around Reapers. Soveriegn, various Reaper artifacts, the Human Reaper, 2 Reaper destroyers, the Artifact from "The Arrival." Its foolish to assume there is not some level of indoctrination.

-When Shepard wakes up at the end of Destroy, he/she is waking up in London, after being hit with the laser.

In fact guys, the fact that the child even appeared could be a major hint to it being a dream, since Shepard had continuous, reoccurring dreams after the child died.

If this is true, you can expect some continuation from the Destroy ending.