My thoughts on Game of Thrones Season 7 concerning Jamie Lannister (Spoilers)

[gorfias]

Daeneris will eventually cross the sea before book 11...

Is it meant to go that high? Never going to happen as its been nearly a decade between book 5 and unreleased 6 so far!

I don't think Cersai's portrait in the book and series is much different. In the book she learns nothing from her walk, she just gets more spiteful.

I'll have to re-listen to it on audible. I thought this was the end for her. Her plan against Margery (Who, like Tomen, is still very much alive in the books) back fired upon her. It is like the witches prophecy: a younger, prettier woman will cost her everything. So, I thought her done.

Also, it is interesting you think Tyrion will be "the winner", considering book Tyrion and show Tyrion don't share the same fate. He is one of the writers favorite characters, so at this point he developed plot armor but, without much spoilers, I will only say that, if book Tyrion becomes king, his rule won't be long...

I will write, they allowed TV Tyrion's hair to go natural. Early in the series, he was supposed to have much lighter hair. As if a mix of darker hair and the Mad Kings shock white:
Check at 5:40. Warning: adult content. But this is Game of Thrones so you should know that already:
Book illustration:

 

[hermes]

Daeneris will eventually cross the sea before book 11...

Is it meant to go that high? Never going to happen as its been nearly a decade between book 5 and unreleased 6 so far!

No. It is supposed to be over by book 7, I think... But every few years, he adds a couple books to the stack of "those he needs to tell his story" (it was originally a trilogy). I wouldn't be surprised if that number changes again...

I don't think Cersai's portrait in the book and series is much different. In the book she learns nothing from her walk, she just gets more spiteful.

I'll have to re-listen to it on audible. I thought this was the end for her. Her plan against Margery (Who, like Tomen, is still very much alive in the books) back fired upon her. It is like the witches prophecy: a younger, prettier woman will cost her everything. So, I thought her done.

I don't know if book Cersei will pull the same kind of plan to wipe out 90% of her enemies in one stroke. I just don't think we should rule her out as "broken and done", and even less, rule her out as someone transformed by her walk. She still has the Mountain, and now the list of real and perceived offenders is even larger, and her sense of "rule by fear and murder" is more galvanized than ever.

 

[gorfias]

She still has the Mountain...

He appears to have died. Yes the Viper cut him but the Viper's blade was poisoned with something that made him scream in agony until death...

"Despite Gregor's victory, Oberyn achieves his revenge for his murdered sister as he had coated his spear with a deadly poison which results in a long, agonizing death by mortification for Gregor. "

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Gregor_Clegane

 

[hermes]

She still has the Mountain...

He appears to have died. Yes the Viper cut him but the Viper's blade was poisoned with something that made him scream in agony until death...

"Despite Gregor's victory, Oberyn achieves his revenge for his murdered sister as he had coated his spear with a deadly poison which results in a long, agonizing death by mortification for Gregor. "

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Gregor_Clegane

Yes, in the books it is never stated that Robert Stone is actually the resurrected Clegane, but all points out that he is (too many similarities in the description and the time it appears, plus Qyburn's experiments on Clegane). The show is not so "subtle".

In any case, she still has a huge Frankenstein monster with little to no motivation other than being her loyal bodyguard.

 

[gorfias]

She still has the Mountain...

He appears to have died. Yes the Viper cut him but the Viper's blade was poisoned with something that made him scream in agony until death...

"Despite Gregor's victory, Oberyn achieves his revenge for his murdered sister as he had coated his spear with a deadly poison which results in a long, agonizing death by mortification for Gregor. "

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Gregor_Clegane

Yes, in the books it is never stated that Robert Stone is actually the resurrected Clegane, but all points out that he is (too many similarities in the description and the time it appears, plus Qyburn's experiments on Clegane). The show is not so "subtle".

In any case, she still has a huge Frankenstein monster with little to no motivation other than being her loyal bodyguard.

It's been years! I do not recall him! Thanks for pointing this out. Interesting.

EDIT: Robert Strong.

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Robert_Strong/Theories

Stone would be a "bastard" as in Sand and Snow. He is someone from the Vale who may or may not be a real person.

 

[Kolby Jack]

I like Jon Snow because he is one of the few good men in this grimdark world that is Westeros.

Are you saying book Jon Snow is worse than TV show Jon Snow?

Nah, just that Dany or Jon being AA is too obvious. I would love it if all of Milesandres visions and the R+J=J thing was just one massive red herring and someone completely unlikely (and unsuitable) became the hero of prophecy. The hints are there for multiple characters, even more than those 3 I mentioned.

For example: DAVOS MOTHERFUCKING SEAWORTH. Who was reborn amidst salt and smoke, washed up on a rock after the battle of the blackwater. His Nissa-Nissa is none other than... Thats right, Stannis, whom he kills after he goes one step too far in the name of the lord of light. Did I mentioned Stannis' sigil is a motherfucking flaming heart? When Milesandre prays for a glimpse of azor ahai and sees only snow, thats because of where Davos is heading next: Skagos. Oh, and blood of the dragon? The Baratheons married with the dragons long ago and as such have a little of their blood in them.

Or...

Fuck that noise, Victarion is Azor Ahai.

The wife he beat to death was his Nissa Nissa, his smoky chary arm, Lightbringer.

His infection almost killed him, but Moqorro brought him back with whatever ritual he used, amidst salt (the sea) and smoke (fire).

Victorian, the baddest dude in the iron fleet. Once he's counter-cucked his brother and kidnapped Dany for himself, he's certainly going to have to use that smoky hand to dish out a few ***** slaps when his new wife starts mouthing off about "muh rightful throne". If a lip splits and a little blood dribbles out, thats blood of the dragon covered too.

So much more fun than Dany or Jon.

What if it's Dany AND Jon? If Jon ends up as King of the North including the lands beyond the wall, and Dany rules the remaining kingdoms plus slaver's bay, and they team up to stop the whitewalkers and make peace afterward... well I'd be right satisfied with that ending.

It won't happen, but god damn I just really need a happy ending after all this pain. This series CAN NOT end on a sour note.

 

[geniusmind]

i have one question, Renly Baratheon is still on the ocean, and will he play anything important roll ?

 

[gorfias]

Many people are dead in the books, but alive in the show and vice versa. Some, it doesn't matter. Either way, the Knight of Flowers is dead. Didn't matter how.

He was supposedly injured while taking Dragonstone and is currently in the process of dying from very bad burn wounds.

...Is what the Tyrells say, but those guys aren't exactly trustworthy, are they? Nah, they're letting Cersei think she's got what she wanted. Loras is probably chilling out hidden away in some castle getting the succ from a harem of qt squires. What, you think one of Cersei's plans worked? Like solving the crowns debts problems or her amazing choice for hand or her way of dealing with Bronn?

You got me!

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Loras_Tyrell

I thought he was dead and Margery grieving. His wounds don't sound like something even modern medicine could heal. And another pointed out the zombie Mountain is actually likely a thing in the books too! Doesn't anyone in this series die and stay dead!?! Getting to be like Marvel comic books!

 

[gorfias]

You got me!

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Loras_Tyrell

I thought he was dead and Margery grieving. His wounds don't sound like something even modern medicine could heal.

The wounds, in all likelihood, don't exist. Cersei sent Loras to Dragonstone with the intention of getting him injured or killed. The Tyrells were all onto it the second she gave the order/gave her consent. The only time we hear Loras is dying is through the information Cersei gets, its not reliable.

Remember that we, the readers, spent one and a half books believing Davos had been beheaded and the entire seven kingdoms save White Harbor are still duped. Chapters are always written from a point of view, sometimes the information these characters get is false, sometimes they aren't reliable narrators. Cersei in particular not only has shitty advisors and a host of enemies but is also insane to the point where she'd probably be institutionalized in todays world so both points hit home. Honestly, you shouldn't take anything from Cersei chapters at face value unless it happens directly in front of her eyes, and even then she might be halicinating about dwarves and boar tusks and myrish swamps.

Wow! Mind blown!

I did take it at face value that he was scalded by boiling oil. Not gonna just walk that one off. Did her dad insist she marry him in the book? Is that why she wanted him dead?

i have one question, Renly Baratheon is still on the ocean, and will he play anything important roll ?

On the ocean as in, still plays a roll in the story?

He's dead bro. Since season 2/book 2. Got shanked by a shadow baby. Sorry.

That the shadow that looked like Stannis? Is he really dead in the show? I don't think he is in the books.

Spoiler

And I think Brianna is dead too: hung. So she won't be the one to kill him

Man, I gotta relisten to these things before book six is released. Course, I may have another 10 years to wait for that to happen.

 

[Jute88]

The show didn't change much about the Renly storyline, he gets stabbed by the shadow baby in the second book.

The tv-show Renly was a bit more friendly with Catelyn. He was even willing to let Robb make The North (with Riverlands) independent. Though he may have just decided to handle one enemy at a time. In the books Renly (I think) demanded Robb to bow before him and swear to serve him or else be destroyed.

 

[hermes]

I like the way the show expediently got rid of plots it knew lead nowhere: Remember the Martell? lets kill them in 2 scenes, since they are not so relevant. Remember Baratheon and his army? not important. Remember Rickon and his direwolf? Lets give them inconsequential deaths.

Rickon is totally gonna be brought back by Davos and the North will have a new king after Stannis clears the way by crushing the Boltons.

At this point that is only conjecture. I don't think after GRRM forgot there was a fifth Stark for four books, he is going to return as a hero of legend to reclaim a throne he did nothing to earn. If he is lucky, GRRM will remember him and he is going to have a chapter on the next book about how he lived a happy but uneventful life somewhere in the north, or a fast death to show that winter and the zombies are finally coming. If he is not, the show has some ideas about how to make it kind of present, if not relevant, but since they have widely diverted about who is there at this point, there are a lot of characters that can fulfill that role more effectively.

Besides, Stannis is in no position to crush anyone, not after his forces were reduced to a tenth of its original size, they are lost in the snow, with no guide, no resources and no idea how to survive in Winterfell's autumn. It is a small miracle that the few that are still loyal didn't resort to cannibalism, as I was expecting they would go full on Viven before the real winter hits them (gods know they already eat everything that could be eaten). And the best part is, they are being expected, so that "surprise attack" is a surprise to no one. His destiny is pretty much sealed, even if Bolton was lying on his letter. If, by some miracle, they reach Winterfell, they will be so few and so weak that they wouldn't fight back a pack of wolves, much less an army of expecting, trained and equipped soldiers in their home turf.

Martells not relevent? Oh yeah sure bro, its not like the only person close to the fucking queen is their guy. Bet ya didn't even know Qyburn is a Martell agent.

Source? Because there is no reference to it on the books.

Besides, I had a hard time believing an agent of the Martells would work so hard to raise a sworn enemy of the House, the person that brutally murdered some of the most beloved members of that house, and his head was so valuable they were ready to go to war for it. Or that they would not be aware they received a fake skull, considering the one that make the autopsy was "their guy".