My top 10 gripes with Skyrim.

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JesterRaiin

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psivamp said:
JesterRaiin said:
NV isn't Bethesdas production.
It was published by them, and the writing is actually good. His point was that you can have good writing in an open-world do-what-you-want RPG.
1. Pizza delivery boy isn't the one that prepares pizza for you.
2. As for NV writing - "to each his own". I don't like it, i find it primitive and full of cliches badly glued together. I had better fun with F3. Nothing can be done about it since it's a matter of opinions, not universal axioms.
3. Why are you even writing this ? It's not that Dr Zoidberg needs any help or support - as far as i understand english, there's no fight here only difference in opinions. :)
 

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well I didnt expect to much from skryim after my oblivion experience, and I probably havnt played enough ti properly judge but...

my main probalem is the same with oblivion....my charchter, why does she do anything? after my epic escape its just "ok go do this"
"hold on a sec..you dont know who I am..why are you trusting me?" and then just more "go do this"

WHY?

yeah I know this sounds stupid, its just me..I mean

1. Dark souls, I know WHY Im venturing out, I have no other options I must fight to survive
2. Fallout 3..I know WHY Im out wandering..I have been kicked out of my home, I have to scavenge for what I can (hence why I might go into a dark "cave" full of raiders)
2. Fallout NV....Im personally Involved, the platinum chip has been stolen from me and damned if Im not going to find out what this is all about

but Skyrim....It feels like "Im going into this cave of bandits because its a fantasy RPG..duh"

again this is less an actual critism and more a personal thing, overall I really dont know how I feel about skyrim
 

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howbout you just eliminate no 6 yourself: as easy as that, making your 6th point invalid. you just chose the way of the cheat, i chose the way of an honest player, who does not cheat
 

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"hold on a sec..you dont know who I am..why are you trusting me?" and then just more "go do this"

WHY?
That's really shi**y way to involve player into quests/subquests.
"You're looking decently enough, here take this sword worth more than i currently have in my posession and take it to someone living near the opposite border of our country, there's no time limit and i won't tell you what the payment is".
That's the main reason why i abvoid FedEx quests at all costs. :|

I don't know why nobody thought about introducing "the Guild of UPS" in crpgs. First you enlist, then you take errands, before running with your package there's a spell of "do it or die" cast upon you "just in case" the payment awaits you upon your return.
It's easy to do, it's plausible, it's possible.
 

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Lovely to see that my comments are being reproduced here from over on Rock, Paper, Shotgun. A little birdie told me that that was the case and I just had to drop by to see. >_> The comment about all of the genocide in Skyrim was mine, and I stand by it.

@JesterRaiin

Light that bulb in your noggin and think about this. The game encourages you to be a homicidal murderer at every turn - there are a bunch of bandits, but you can't arrest them, you can only kill them. The guards can arrest bandits, but can you haul them off to prison? Nope!

Does someone have something you want? Well, you could trade them for it, but no, the only option is to kill them for it. Is someone perhaps a possible threat in the future? Well, let's kill them! (That would be Paarthurnax.) It's all about genocide, it's like what a fantasy world would look like if you ran it through the head of a paranoid and incredibly extremist right-wing politician.

It's Palin Land, almost.

Sure, some deaths are unavoidable and I'll grant you that. But outright, cold-blooded murder should never be the first choice. It just shows the level of abhorrent anti-intellectuality that gamers have embraced over the years. But it's worse than that. This is a world that cannot possibly exist, because here we come to our ultimate conclusion - if everyone is killing everyone else at that rate, then you can't have a sustainable population.

If you have 90% of the population out to kill you, then that's some kind of popular revolution right there. Apparently most of the population of Skyrim is against what you're doing in one form or another. You're a scourge, a plague, you're passing through like a swarm of locusts, devouring everything and leaving nothing but an empty husk in your wake.

It just shatters the illusion of believability for me. My suspension of disbelief can stretch quite far being an imaginative person, but it can't stretch that far. It can't stretch far enough to honestly believe that you can make a sustainable society where every person in that society is a homicidal or genocidal maniac. Including the character.

This is what Skyrim asks me to buy into as a potential possibility, this is what it asks me to believe, but I just can't. No matter where you go in the world, whatever era you pick, there has never been a sustainable society of sociopaths and psychopaths. Yet this is what Skyrim is.

This is why it fails, for me.

All I ask for is a believable, intelligent representation of a fantasy world, but this is everything that Skyrim isn't. Fallout: New Vegas, for all of its post-apocalyptic furore, is a much more stable place. And there have been examples of RPGs set in snowy landscapes before, too. Check out the Icewind Dale series.

Really, the only way you could go into Skyrim and not come out of it realising what I've realised is if you enjoyed the genocide and homicide perhaps a bit too much. Which I didn't, really. It left me feeling hollow and saddened. Skyrim is a shallow experience because of this, and I hope that Bethesda will learn from this and perhaps try to create their next scenario around believable people, rather than, to say it again, a society of homicidal/genocidal maniacs.
 

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but truly the question is, do you still like to play the game? if not then dont. if you do up the gorram difficulty
 
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TheWulf said:
Skyrim is a shallow experience because of this, and I hope that Bethesda will learn from this and perhaps try to create their next scenario around believable people, rather than, to say it again, a society of homicidal/genocidal maniacs.
That's a good point. But then again, I'd be hard pressed to think of a single action-oriented game that didn't involve mass homicide. The concept of a main character who runs around massacring various bandits and mercenaries without a care in the world is something that has been inherent to games from the very beginning. Accepting that certain people are just "bad guys" who have to die is an integral part of the belief-suspending process. It was never a problem with classic RPGs like Baldur's Gate or Final Fantasy or even old-school pen-and-paper.

Also, on the other hand, I could imagine building a very interesting setting based around having genocidal maniacs and blood-soaked conflicts around every corner, like Game of Thrones or Planescape: Torment. Both are very engaging despite the fact that characters seem to have very short life-spans.

No, I think the real problem is very simple: bad writing. And in almost all cases of bad writing, the root of it is thoughtlessness. Either they were too rushed to put thought into their quests and characters, or just couldn't be arsed to get any more creative than "Go to X, get Y, bring it to me."
 

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but truly the question is, do you still like to play the game? if not then dont. if you do up the gorram difficulty
Yes, it's that weird thing only Bethesda can pull off of having a game full of bugs and game breaking imbalances, and yet completely keep us enthralled and wanting more. I can't explain it, don't know if anyone really can. But I'll probably put another 100 hours into the game before I get tired and finally move onto Drake's Deception or TOR. Games that just have been sitting there since I bought them collecting dust.
 

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Skoosh said:
Some of your complaints I can definitely agree with, others are more your fault. Abusing the save system? Yeah that's completely on you. If you don't like it, STOP DOING IT. Very simple.
Oh trust me, there are a ton of imbalances I've avoided in order to keep the game as challenging and balanced as I can. But it shouldn't be my job to do so. A gamer has all the right to try and break the game as he/she sees fit, it suppose to be the developers best interest to prevent that from happening...That is at least what I call balance.

Now if Skyrim was a MP with player vs player action, that's when shit would have really been hitting the fan...-_-
 

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I've only just reached the end of 'Act 1' in the main quest and my only real gripes so far are:

1. I suppose it's due to OP stealth but my gripe is not about the stealth itself. It's about the fact that I shot a bandit from a shadow in a cave and him and his friend started looking for me. They walked right past me without detecting me BUT, as they went past they stared RIGHT AT ME. Literally 5ft away from me and they were walking past me but their heads were turned CLEARLY LOOKING AT ME. That's really quite annoying and the first time it happened I panicked a little because I thought I would be detected for sure. It also does my head in that when you enter a tavern or anywhere with a few people in it, they all stare at you for the entire time you're there.

2. The fact that it likes to crash. I've developed quick save paranoia and I save pretty much every time I kill something, pick something up, get a quest, whatever. Anything that I can't be arsed re-doing, I save straight away. Basically, when I press F12 to take a Steam screenshot, usually it will take a screenshot, but an oddly large amount of times, it opts to shut the game down entirely.
 

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Biodeamon said:
would people please stop complaining about skyrim?
Why ? It's a gaming forum. I don't get it. Are ppl only supposed to be praising it because it's your favorite game or something ?
Yes it's a gaming forum, but we both know why this person is saying enough with the Skyrim threads. It has nothing to do with Boedeamon's like of Skyrim, it has to do with the fact that since its release every other thread has been about Skyrim.

Posts like this have also been done to death. It's been almost 2 months. We've all heard about these problems with Skyrim over and over again.

Yeah it's a gaming forum, but we should be able to say enough is enough with the Skyrim threads. OP should've looked up any of the hundreds of complaint posts about Skyrim instead of helping clog the Escapist forums with literally the same post again.

It's degrading the community on this site. This Skyrim kick is worse than COD hating posts.

What with the arrows in knees and complaints.
 

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Eh still a fun game, now if you excuse me I need to go see a healer about this arrow I took in the knee (Ok I'm sorry)
 

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Nomanslander said:
Yes, I have 10 gripes with Skyrim. Actually I might have around 56 but I really don't want to spend as much time writing up this thread as I have to. So,for all the right Bethesda does to keep us hooked, it seems for ever 1 there's 5 things that are horribly wrong and yet never enough to make us quit playing.


Well let's get start.

1. Stealth is way too OP.
By the time your stealth passes 50 you can just about stealth up FRONT to a bandit and kill/pickpocket him/her without being seem. Now maybe if I was some how going invisible to reach that high of stealth level, it would make a lot more sense. But there's no special tricks here, and the stealthing in Skyrim can just about break the game.

2. Enemy mages are too OP.
Honestly, nothing scares me more in this game than a Pyro/Necromancer. They can pretty much nuke you to oblivion and back, reload your last check point, then back a second time in a bat of an eye. Now I'm not saying they're impossible to defeat, but it takes every cheap tactic in the book to do so.

3. Pause tactics are boring and suck.
I'm not playing a turn base game here, and I getting pretty annoyed having to spend half the time in a fight pausing in order to select this or drink that.

4. You have an arrow sticking out of your head thanks to me and you think it's your imagination?
Just how dumb can NPCs really be? For the last 5 mins I've shot 10 arrows into a bandit and every time I stealth away he or she pretend like it never happened. This basically has a lot to do with the stealth mechanic in the game, and how I think Batman: Arkham series should be setting examples. In the Arkham series every time you're spotted by a new group, from then on out they're always on a look out for you. They will stay in paranoia until they are dealt with. With stealth in Skyrim, it seems all the NPCs are suffering from short term memory lose, and it can get really annoying at times when a particular enemy has 15 arrows sticking out of his knee and he can't figure out how they got there.

5. The Dragon's are pansies.
Aren't dragons suppose to be one of the most grueling and important encounters in the game? Then why did one just get its ass handed to it by my horse? Why would you allow this Bethesda?

6. Pickpocketing mini gameplay needs to just be removed.
Ok, tell me what's wrong with this picture:

So I'm about to pickpocket, first I quick save and now I see the 50 gold has a 25% chance of success? So I make my first attempt at picpocketing, and...I fail. So, I quick load and try again, and I'm caught again, quick load, let's go for a third attempt. Caught again! Quick load and, MF caught again? Ok, one last try and.... finally! So....hmmm, you know what let's see how I do snatching the 5% gold necklace....

So? Has anyone detected how this exploit pretty much makes picpocketing (among a hundred other things) useless?

7. Exterior graphics look so great, but WTF happened to the interiors?
I'm serious the interiors in this game look horrible, I haven't seen interiors this ugly looking and badly lit since Morrowind, the Xbox version...>XP

8. Fine I can deal with the stupid pausing tactics, but how the hell did I just drink 50 potions, at once?
Ok, pausing tactics aside, I really don't think we should be able to pig out on every consumable in our inventory before un-pausing the game. For every potion I think there needs to be an animation before being able to re-pause and consume a different item. Just a thought there, tell me what you guys think....?

9. Stop giving me unaccepted quests already.
I mean I can't go five feet in a city without some guard blurting out some crap on the other end of town without my map being updated. As much as I've enjoyed questing, and not in any shape or form willing to speak against the abundance of quests this game provides. I would just like to take my time and get through them one at a time and not miss out on the experience. Because when you have 20 quest open to one area, you end up losing that sense of relevance and WTF you went into that one bandit camp in the first place.

10. And finally, stop giving me immortal badasses for followers.
You want to know how to serious break this game in two over your knee when it comes to challenge? Get Barbas the dog, never finish his quests and pretty much take him every where. As long as you're able to cower in a corner, you will never lose. The damn dog can be taking on 10 dragons single handedly and he will turn that level into a dragon bone graveyard.
Very cool experience, thanks for sharing. Not common seen.
 

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Biodeamon said:
would people please stop complaining about skyrim? honestly, it clogs up the gaming forums so bad i have to sort through the forum pages just to find a decent post sometimes...
Skyrim first comes out, forums are full of threads about how amazing Skyrim is and how it's the best game ever made.

Little bit of time passes, forums are full of threads about everything that's wrong with Skyrim.

Everything is going just as I predicted, soon there will be a bunch of threads about how Skyrim is crap and Morrowind is the best TES game ever.
 

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Dirty Hipsters said:
Biodeamon said:
would people please stop complaining about skyrim? honestly, it clogs up the gaming forums so bad i have to sort through the forum pages just to find a decent post sometimes...
Skyrim first comes out, forums are full of threads about how amazing Skyrim is and how it's the best game ever made.

Little bit of time passes, forums are full of threads about everything that's wrong with Skyrim.

Everything is going just as I predicted, soon there will be a bunch of threads about how Skyrim is crap and Morrowind is the best TES game ever.
Yeah, I won't have anything to do with the third step, of course I agree and highly doubt it not happening considering the behavior of the average gaming nerd.

But honestly, I still love the game, and really that plays a major reason why I'm also quite disappointed with how little effort Bethesda once again placed in balancing it out (if I didn't love the game, I wouldn't be complaining as much, I would have forgotten about the game and moved onto TOR online by now, but I can't -_-).

Forget the bugs. I can deal with enemies bugging out running back and forth like crazy as I arrow them to death. Stuff like that isn't intended. What I can't stand is easily out smarting enemies as I have, pulling no brainers like running in and out of loading areas to lose enemies, shit I remember pulling in games back in 2000 for the Xbox and PS2, that and shitty PC games....-_-
 

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TheWulf said:
(snip)All I ask for is a believable, intelligent representation of a fantasy world, but this is everything that Skyrim isn't. Fallout: New Vegas, for all of its post-apocalyptic furore, is a much more stable place. And there have been examples of RPGs set in snowy landscapes before, too. Check out the Icewind Dale series. (snip)
Naaaaaaaaaaaaah. You're simply unreasonable.
We're not talking about simply world simulator. It's world simulator depicting PARTICULAR world.

It's war torn, violent country on the verge of destruction, not unlike the Ragnarok.

Skyrim is believable, intelligent representation of such setting. Violence is part of it and it was pretty obvious even before its release that you'll have to stain your hands with blood if you enter this world. You weren't promised anything else, you got what you've bought.

There's no need to ***** about it.

Blablahb said:
Skyrim is not an rpg, Skyrim is a sandbox game in a fantasy setting.
It's cRPG. Closer to Hack and Slash than actual Role-Play, but still, it's cRPG. ;)


Dirty Hipsters said:
Skyrim first comes out, forums are full of threads about how amazing Skyrim is and how it's the best game ever made.

Little bit of time passes, forums are full of threads about everything that's wrong with Skyrim.

Everything is going just as I predicted, soon there will be a bunch of threads about how Skyrim is crap and Morrowind is the best TES game ever.
Those who yell loudest will be the ones who get heard. ;)