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Shoggoth2588

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CitySquirrel said:
Celetic Kerr is correct. However, if they hire you as part time, thus avoiding certain benefits etc. that they must give full time employees, and then have you consistently work full time, they are breaking the law. But, do you have more to lose than gain by complaining? That is the key question.
If I quit I'll be jobless. I had someone else call me but that application expired when I got back in touch with them. I've resent an application to them though and am sure I'll get a callback again in a couple of weeks (at most). The joblessness is the main reason I haven't left yet.

After having read the laws that were posted above (or on page one) I kinda feel like a whiny, entitled type of person but, thanks for the info for everyone who posted it. On day one I was told the terms of my employment are non-contractual and if I an absent for three consecutive days, it is considered 'quitting' so that's what I'm going to end up doing. I understand that I can't do anything about the overtime or, benefits I could have got so I'm just going to walk away. (which they probably want me to do anyway as mentioned in a previous reply)*edit*

Thanks again fellow escapists!
 

Celtic_Kerr

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Baron_BJ said:
Technically what they're doing is illegal. You should be getting overtime. They're abusing the condition the job market is most likely in your country (some countries didn't crash, like mine). You could contact the office of fair trade, often times, especially situations like this, they will sue on your behalf. You could tear them a new one and as much as I'm against "suing" and the "abuse of the legal system", in this case it's the right thing to do. Just watch your ass after the case is filed, OR you threaten him with legislation; they can't fire you over something like this, but they will be looking for excuses.
Its interesting though. If they had simply asked his consent before giving him 40 hours a week they would have been fine. I don't understand how companies think they'll get away with this.

I had a contract with my company saying that I was to work from 8:00 - 4:30 everyday. They handed out a scedule every week and on the weeks that I wasn't sceduled at the right time I would tell them "I'm signed on to work my hours of availability, these are not the hours I agreed to work. I'll show up at my regular time" and they couldn't do shit
 

Forgetitnow344

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Basically, you don't get to be right. It's just something you're going to have to deal with. Middle management is full of assholes.

At my work, I was written up for not taking a thirty-minute break on a busy night. Never mind the fact that I would have had to work all through this unpaid break, because it is clearly listed in our break policy RIGHT ON THE WALL that managers are to SCHEDULE our thirty-minute breaks. Whose fault is it that I missed it? Doesn't matter. I don't get to assign write-ups. Ultimately, I got my first write-up in two years for not taking time out of my night to remember to do unpaid labor for a half-hour.

That's just how life goes, unfortunately.
 

icyneesan

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Shoggoth2588 said:
Anyway, am I making too big a deal about my work hours? It pissed me off what the one guy said but it isn't that I'm complaining about getting paid, I'm complaining because I'm not getting what I was promised and doing something I dislike more and more each day.
Welcome to the work force!

OT: I don't think your wrong, but like a relationship, you don't get to be right when your only a part-time employee :p
 

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Shoggoth2588 said:
I've been at my current work-place for nearly two months. I was originally hired as a part time employee (which, at this place, is a maximum 32 hour work week). I was stoked at first when my schedule came in at 40 hours. Not just once too, every week I would work 40 hours which I thought was great at first since that would mean I'd be getting a fair amount of overtime hours.

So, continuing to watch my time-card, I notice that I am getting virtually no overtime. 'Alright' I think to myself, 'I must be a full-time employee after all.' I ask my manager about my schedule and he assures me that I am part time but I'm getting 'extra hours' because I'm new and need to get as much experience as possible. He walks off before I can bring up the overtime. This goes on for a few more weeks and during this time my frustration with the job in general increases for various reasons.

I ask about my schedule again and am assured I'm a part time employee...with 40 hour work weeks. So I request a change to my schedule. It takes about a week and a second request for my schedule to actually be changed. During the process though, for whatever reason, my manager calls over another employee for reasons I couldn't figure out. This other employee says something to the effect of, "I've never heard of someone complaining about getting paid."

I haven't quit that job yet out of fear of being jobless for Gods know how long though every day I feel like just walking out and not returning. I've sent out job applications and am waiting for a call back.

Anyway, am I making too big a deal about my work hours? It pissed me off what the one guy said but it isn't that I'm complaining about getting paid, I'm complaining because I'm not getting what I was promised and doing something I dislike more and more each day. My last job had me working between 25 and 30 hours a week but I loved working Blockbuster >.<

Once I quit my current job I'll tell where it is/was that I was working.
I thought 40 hours was the max amount of time that you could do as a part-time employee.
 

Baron_BJ

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Erana said:
Baron_BJ said:
Technically what they're doing is illegal. You should be getting overtime. They're abusing the condition the job market is most likely in your country (some countries didn't crash, like mine). You could contact the office of fair trade, often times, especially situations like this, they will sue on your behalf. You could tear them a new one and as much as I'm against "suing" and the "abuse of the legal system", in this case it's the right thing to do. Just watch your ass after the case is filed, OR you threaten him with legislation; they can't fire you over something like this, but they will be looking for excuses.
Oooh, you're not American? Mind sharing where you are and how your country perceives America's financial situation? I like new perspectives.

And yeah, I do remember reading about this kinda situation in my management class. Its really annoying to have to bite the bullet, but if you really need this job, you may just have to martyr your pride. Still, if you want to get some help from the government, you likely have grounds to do so. It is bad business practice, but I suggest you build your case in an articulate manner and make certain that if they try to run you off, the correlation between your challenging the management and their sudden turn on you is blatant. Perhaps ask around and talk to prior employees? Someone else in the thread pointed out a disturbingly common position where businesses hire part-time help, abuse the employer/employee situation, and get them to leave when there's trouble.
I'm Australian, we currently have some of the best workplace laws in the world, but with regards to the western world, a lot of laws are similar and standard. We dodged the recession altogether, however we almost went down when our old prime minster (who was thrown out before his term ended because he almost cost the country well over half the mining companies; the one thing that saved us) when he constantly gave out "stimulus money" which pissed away all our excess cash, not to mention that the past and current Government is constantly giving away assistance money, Australia has literally given more money to help countries in danger (Major natural disasters, etc) than even America, and our population is 21,000,000, over 50% them being over fucking 40. Basically, think of us as in the condition of other countries in debt before the downfall (except without the impending doom, just a large amount of debt that will take a few decades to pay off, Australians are in the top 4 heavily taxed nations in the world, I think it could be number 1 or 2 at the moment, I'd need to double check).

ANYWAY, what Australia (and I assume most other countries) hears about America we really only hear from American sources, and extremely bias ones at that which I'd have to assume are exaggerating for good television (CNN reports sent oversees, a lot of American Talk Shows that are milking the sympathy of people; Oprah, Dr. Phil, etc). The general consensus is that the economy is stabilizing extremely slowly, partially because of MAJOR cutbacks on almost every front, leading to a lack of employment (I'd assume around 20% or so at this period, a very large number) which is causing problems with unemployment and problems in small chains and independent stores. A sizable number of people lost their homes, etc, when things fell through, a situation that actually I'm not sure about, how is housing going at this point?

Obviously ways of getting quality information that is without bias on the current condition of America is a bit out of my reach, without me heading out to go out and research it heavily, sifting through crap)which most people are too lazy to do anyway.
 

Ashendarei

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There's no limitation, unless you're a minor. The place where the OP is getting screwed is by not getting benifits, and possibly the impact on his life by working more then he wants to.

Not a real problem though, if the company schedules you for more then 32 hours each week for either 4 or 6 consecutive weeks you can go to the management and have them change your status to full time. Had this happen when I worked for Best Buy ... one of the guys in car audio was always working long weeks and getting shortchanged for his benifits. In the end he ended up getting bumped up, but as a result he was fired later on for a technicality

so be wary, it doesn't always end well.
 

Shoggoth2588

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Someone said it: I'm working Best Buy. I called HR today to try and complain about my manager talking about my hours to another, non-manager employee. I also wanted to complain about my hours (checked my schedule today: next week would have been another 40 hour week) but when I called to HR, I got a pre-recorded message saying to push 1 to win a $20 gift card for Wal*Mart and additional $50 voucher for gas. It repeated the message for about 2 minutes before saying goodbye and hanging up on me. This HR number was in more than one poster too. That was the point in my day when I said 'screw it' and left.

I left. I simply walked out. So I probably screwed myself out of a good reference or the possibility of getting anyone in trouble but, any current Best Buy employee should know that #293 is the worst in the company and probably won't blame me (no I'm not making that up)

Now I can pursue worse-paying jobs for fewer hours in peace!