Myanmar Coup

[SilentPony]

Juntas install elected governments to give the image of popular legitimacy, but the more they openly interfere in the government, the more they undermine that image of legitimacy.

Military dictatorships haven't worked since the Spartans and the fall of Ancient Greece, if not earlier

 

[Agema]

It's a nice theory but what do you base that on? Every reported fact indicates she didn't just defend the military but was actively engaged in open denial of the genocide, frustrating inquires and silencing opposition by framing journalists. It's one thing to not actually distance from the military's actions it's something else to facilitate these actions and then feign plausible deniability at the international court of justice. As far as I know they even revoked her nobel peace price.

That you postulate that Suu deliberately martyred all of her moral values and reputation for Myanmar's greater good seems really farfetched to me and incongruent with the facts and just her general attitude in international relations particularly the UN. You wouldn't accept this from Putin when all of Russia's more questionable actions were attributed to the FSB by his supporters all so he could just pay the pensions in time. I guess in Suu's case it's difficult to accept a fomer peace dove is now a war criminal.

Yes, I believe Suu Kyi clearly covered for the military's genocide against the Rohingya. I don't see any particular reason to believe she was necessarily part of instigating or running it. The difference between Putin and Suu Kyi is that Putin indisputably runs Russia, but Suu Kyi has very limited power in Myanmar: the military directly run defence, internal security, etc. - because of course they would.

And yes, I think she would torpedo her international reputation for her country. You're arguing that she would torpedo her reputation in order to actively slaughter thousands of her own people, so I don't know why you would call my position more "incongruent" than your own.

I think you can easily make the comparison with the 2011 Arab Spring and Egypt. These countries are ostensibly 'democratic' but actually run by a military deep state. I mean, the protestors got rid of Hosni Mubarak but he was then replaced by general al-Sisi. The protests effictively only made things worse for the Egyptians by the deep state just dropping it's pretense altogether. It's not unlikely a similar scenario unfolded in Myanmar, although here by a more divided military.

There's a similarity, but a degree of difference. In Egypt the government runs stuff just so long as it keeps the military happy. In Myanmar, the military runs stuff.

 

[Kwak]

Well it's not really a coup if it's legal.

 

[Revnak]

Well it's not really a coup if it's legal.

All successful coups are eventually legal.

 

[Agema]

All successful coups are eventually legal.

Decriminalised is not the same as legal.

 

[Gordon_4]

Well it's not really a coup if it's legal.

Thanks for the insight, Chancellor Palpatine.

 

[Revnak]

Decriminalised is not the same as legal.

Isn’t it though?

 

[Seanchaidh]

 

[Revnak]

Gonna hope those aren’t machine guns mounted to the top of those vans.

 

[Seanchaidh]

Gonna hope those aren’t machine guns mounted to the top of those vans.

if they aren't, it looks like probably something even heavier.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Lucky the military was on hand to run things and keep them honest, right guys?

I mean Vice or some such outlet were fantasising about it happening in the USA in 2016.

 

[Gergar12]

I straight up called them(Aung San Suu Kyi supporters) out on Twitter about how they treated The Rohingya, and they say they didn't care about my point of view and said they loved their mom.

Imagine trying to ethnically cleanse a group of people, and then calling the leader of the group doing the genocide a mother. These people are batshit insane, and it's my prediction if there isn't already, that the next Hitler will come from Asia, full-stop.

Edit: Oh, and the military isn't much better, they are likely the ones behind it.

Edit2: Some neoliberals want a war to occur, there, but that's dumb because it will be another Vietnam War if it happens since it would unite both sides against us.

 

[stroopwafel]

Edit2: Some neoliberals want a war to occur, there, but that's dumb because it will be another Vietnam War if it happens since it would unite both sides against us.

You sure you don't mean neocons? The only reason would be a proxy war with China who, surprise, didn't condemn the coup. China has factories there, access to rare metals and a port that is located between southern China and the Indian ocean and their only maritime entry to the south. Needless to say China will absolutely never accept American soldiers there. But who will they back in the first place? Aung San was a noble peace laureate that totally backfired. I don't think anyone will start a war over Myanmar. The proxy war with Russia over Vietnam was devastating loss at no strategic gain based on some half-assed theory. A mistake repeated again in Iraq. Both U.S. and China just wants stability to return in Myanmar.

 

[Thaluikhain]

I don't think anyone will start a war over Myanmar. The proxy war with Russia over Vietnam was devastating loss at no strategic gain based on some half-assed theory. A mistake repeated again in Iraq.

As you say, a mistake that has been repeated. I'd not be too surprised if it was repeated again. I don't see that happening any time soon, though, but the much mentioned Trump 2.0 could do anything.

 

[Houseman]

Was there really election fraud, and was the military right to take over?
Are the victors getting away with writing their version of history?

 

[Agema]

Was there really election fraud, and was the military right to take over?

The issue was not whether there was election fraud. The issue is whether the Myanmar military felt the election result undermined their control of the country.

 

[Houseman]

The issue was not whether there was election fraud. The issue is whether the Myanmar military felt the election result undermined their control of the country.

Any particular reason you don't trust the military to be acting appropriately?

Like, I'm COMPLETELY ignorant about Myanmar. I have no reason to believe that the election was run properly, and I have no reason to believe that the election was run improperly. I have no reason to believe the military and no reason to distrust them. What makes you lean one way or the other?

 

[Silvanus]

Any particular reason you don't trust the military to be acting appropriately?

The last 5 decades of brutal dictatorship at the hands of the Junta might be a clue.

 

[Houseman]

The last 5 decades of brutal dictatorship at the hands of the Junta might be a clue.

There's no need to be snippy or sarcastic, I've already admitted that I'm completely ignorant about the country. I'm trying to learn, not argue. Any 5-decade-long "brutal dictatorship" is new information for me.

 

[Silvanus]

There's no need to be snippy or sarcastic, I've already admitted that I'm completely ignorant about the country. I'm trying to learn, not argue. Any 5-decade-long "brutal dictatorship" is new information for me.

Frankly, I don't believe you. You exhibit none of the humility of someone genuinely just lacking in knowledge of politics.