Natal Team Learn How To Move

[elementsoul]

I still wouldn't buy it, Yahtzee said it, We don't come home & relax by flailing like an idiot.

Lets stick with the controller until we can get augmented reality.

Okay stop being ignorant and don't argue or make an opinion on something that you most likely haven't used yet and don't know how companies are going incorporate it.

 

[happysock]

I still wouldn't buy it, Yahtzee said it, We don't come home & relax by flailing like an idiot.

Lets stick with the controller until we can get augmented reality.

I'd just like to point out that there is an option of using natal you don't have to use it. If people don't like it they can stick with controllers

Sure but why buy it if you don't plan on using it?

Why buy what? I never said I was going to buy the natal camera thing

You suggested people buy it but turn off the option to use it. So why spend the money on it in the first place?

I'm sorry but I never suggested people buy it, I was just pointing out to someone that they didn't have to get it if they were't interested in it

 

[Mcface]

I still wouldn't buy it, Yahtzee said it, We don't come home & relax by flailing like an idiot.

Lets stick with the controller until we can get augmented reality.

this.

 

[Insanum]

I still wouldn't buy it, Yahtzee said it, We don't come home & relax by flailing like an idiot.

Lets stick with the controller until we can get augmented reality.

Okay stop being ignorant and don't argue or make an opinion on something that you most likely haven't used yet and don't know how companies are going incorporate it.

I am entitled to my opinion. After comparing it with similar methods of control (i.e the wii, the XBL vision Camera & the Eyetoy) I forsee this going straight in the scrapheap. Im not hating it because its microsoft, Or because its motion controlled, I dislike it because there is no way it can be successfully implemented with current or even next gen technology. I have a valid point. If you dont like that, the you may need to open your eyes to the world of the internet.

 

[elementsoul]

I still wouldn't buy it, Yahtzee said it, We don't come home & relax by flailing like an idiot.

Lets stick with the controller until we can get augmented reality.

Okay stop being ignorant and don't argue or make an opinion on something that you most likely haven't used yet and don't know how companies are going incorporate it.

I am entitled to my opinion. After comparing it with similar methods of control (i.e the wii, the XBL vision Camera & the Eyetoy) I forsee this going straight in the scrapheap. Im not hating it because its microsoft, Or because its motion controlled, I dislike it because there is no way it can be successfully implemented with current or even next gen technology. I have a valid point. If you dont like that, the you may need to open your eyes to the world of the internet.

What valid point? You have not used this device. I doubt you are a developer so how coukld you know how this will be implemented into the gaming technology now and apparently you can see into the future because that would be the only way you would know it couldn't be implemented then. You compare it to the Wii mote yet for that you use a controller so that doesn't work. How about the vision cam, well lets see you can take photo's with it and have video chats, so how do you compare that something so simple to Natal which is far more complex then most people know and yes that does include me. The eyetoy was junk, comparing Natal to that is a joke.

Personally you made a call on this that you can't even justify yet. If it comes out and bombs then so be it, if it comes out and is amazing then so be it, and if it comes out and you buy one you are entitled to your own opinion and make whatever call you want on it. But until it comes out or at least it becomes more public on what it can due calm down.

 

[Mikela]

I still wouldn't buy it, Yahtzee said it, We don't come home & relax by flailing like an idiot.

Lets stick with the controller until we can get augmented reality.

I'd just like to point out that there is an option of using natal you don't have to use it. If people don't like it they can stick with controllers

This says it all. If you want the product buy it, otherwise stick to what you have. Some people actually like innovation. That's how we evolved from cave dwelling to multi-story condos, no one back then would have enjoyed rubbing two sticks together to make a fire but somehow we got from there to the flame thrower.

Who knows where Natal will take the 360 in the future?. It's just too early to make pre-product judgments and condemn it to failure because that's the trend or because Yahtzee said so..



Honestly, people that complain about technology are plonkers.

 

[Mikela]

Im not hating it because its microsoft, Or because its motion controlled, I dislike it because there is no way it can be successfully implemented with current or even next gen technology. I have a valid point. If you dont like that, the you may need to open your eyes to the world of the internet.

You very well could be right and yes, you are entitled to your opinion, but unless you are behind the Natal development team or a technological analyst, I doubt your opinion carries much weight..especially if "gut feeling" is the basis behind why you think.

 

[Insanum]

I still wouldn't buy it, Yahtzee said it, We don't come home & relax by flailing like an idiot.

Lets stick with the controller until we can get augmented reality.

I'd just like to point out that there is an option of using natal you don't have to use it. If people don't like it they can stick with controllers

This says it all. If you want the product buy it, otherwise stick to what you have. Some people actually like innovation. That's how we evolved from cave dwelling to multi-story condos, no one back then would have enjoyed rubbing two sticks together to make a fire but somehow we got from there to the flame thrower.

Who knows where Natal will take the 360 in the future?. It's just too early to make pre-product judgments and condemn it to failure because that's the trend or because Yahtzee said so..



Honestly, people that complain about technology are plonkers.

I was quoting yahtzee because he seemed to hit the nail right on the head.

I still wouldn't buy it, Yahtzee said it, We don't come home & relax by flailing like an idiot.

Lets stick with the controller until we can get augmented reality.

Okay stop being ignorant and don't argue or make an opinion on something that you most likely haven't used yet and don't know how companies are going incorporate it.

I am entitled to my opinion. After comparing it with similar methods of control (i.e the wii, the XBL vision Camera & the Eyetoy) I forsee this going straight in the scrapheap. Im not hating it because its microsoft, Or because its motion controlled, I dislike it because there is no way it can be successfully implemented with current or even next gen technology. I have a valid point. If you dont like that, the you may need to open your eyes to the world of the internet.

What valid point? You have not used this device. I doubt you are a developer so how coukld you know how this will be implemented into the gaming technology now and apparently you can see into the future because that would be the only way you would know it couldn't be implemented then. You compare it to the Wii mote yet for that you use a controller so that doesn't work. How about the vision cam, well lets see you can take photo's with it and have video chats, so how do you compare that something so simple to Natal which is far more complex then most people know and yes that does include me. The eyetoy was junk, comparing Natal to that is a joke.

Personally you made a call on this that you can't even justify yet. If it comes out and bombs then so be it, if it comes out and is amazing then so be it, and if it comes out and you buy one you are entitled to your own opinion and make whatever call you want on it. But until it comes out or at least it becomes more public on what it can due calm down.

Well lets go off the current facts shall we:

It shall be a camera: Correct ~ Meaning you are going to need a large amount of room to play. I do not have a large amount of space to play it in.

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Thats all that springs to mind. Now lets use a bit of noggin here. You take natal home & set it up, Im going to presume it is going to have to set the background behind you as exactly that, Background. And this is where the flaw comes in: How is Natal supposed to be able to distinguish between Human movement & the movement of Animate objects like Grandfather clocks, Etc.

We have only so far seen basic promo videos, which seem to promise a lot more than seems possible to deliver. As ive said in my previous post im 90% sure it will bomb, It will sell well at first then when the novely wears off it will be dropped faster than HDDVD.

Theres a 10% chance im wrong, But so far what have i got to prove that its going to be good? After the Fable disasters i do not put any faith in advertising whatsoever.

 

[Mikela]

Well lets go off the current facts shall we:

It shall be a camera: Correct ~ Meaning you are going to need a large amount of room to play. I do not have a large amount of space to play it in.

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Thats all that springs to mind. Now lets use a bit of noggin here. You take natal home & set it up, Im going to presume it is going to have to set the background behind you as exactly that, Background. And this is where the flaw comes in: How is Natal supposed to be able to distinguish between Human movement & the movement of Animate objects like Grandfather clocks, Etc.

We have only so far seen basic promo videos, which seem to promise a lot more than seems possible to deliver. As ive said in my previous post im 90% sure it will bomb, It will sell well at first then when the novely wears off it will be dropped faster than HDDVD.

Theres a 10% chance im wrong, But so far what have i got to prove that its going to be good? After the Fable disasters i do not put any faith in advertising whatsoever.

So let me get this straight, when you said:

"It shall be a camera: Correct ~ Meaning you are going to need a large amount of room to play. I do not have a large amount of space to play it in".

You assume it will be a failed product because you don't have a large amount of space to play it in?. That's sound a bit absurd to me.

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"Im going to presume it is going to have to set the background behind you as exactly that, Background. And this is where the flaw comes in: How is Natal supposed to be able to distinguish between Human movement & the movement of Animate objects like Grandfather clocks, Etc" - Then you go about making more presumptions.

Firstly, we don't know what kind of technology is been employed here. Motion capture has come a long way and it could very well be possible that Natal can recognize player motion from say, a cat on a trampoline. (probably via distance and general speed of motion..who knows?). This is why it is acceptable to wait till we know more about the product before saying, "there is a 90% chance it's going to suck donkey balls".


"But so far what have i got to prove that its going to be good?" - you haven't even listed any valid criteria for why it could be bad, apart from the fact that you have little space to move about and you assume that some of the best minds in the market will build a camera that cannot distinguish a player from a ticking clock.

Again, you could be right and speculation is a free right to everyone. But don't fool yourself into thinking that you have made an informed decision on the product by mere observation alone. Actually, it's not even observation considering the final products are not even built yet..its just your "assuming" it's going to bomb because...actually I don't why your assuming that..aside from the fact that you seem to think that you know more than the people who are actually building the things.

"After the Fable disasters i do not put any faith in advertising whatsoever"- is it safe to assume you have given up on humanity as well then?. Advertising and 'embellishing the truth' in advertising is a big part of modern society. If you can't deal with a little bit of exaggeration now and then, then I can see why you have such a pessimistic view on things.

Also for the record: Yahtzee says a lot of things but part of his charisma is saying things prematurely. Especially when it comes to previews and not reviews.

 

[Insanum]

Spoiler: snip

Well lets go off the current facts shall we:

It shall be a camera: Correct ~ Meaning you are going to need a large amount of room to play. I do not have a large amount of space to play it in.

-----

Thats all that springs to mind. Now lets use a bit of noggin here. You take natal home & set it up, Im going to presume it is going to have to set the background behind you as exactly that, Background. And this is where the flaw comes in: How is Natal supposed to be able to distinguish between Human movement & the movement of Animate objects like Grandfather clocks, Etc.

We have only so far seen basic promo videos, which seem to promise a lot more than seems possible to deliver. As ive said in my previous post im 90% sure it will bomb, It will sell well at first then when the novely wears off it will be dropped faster than HDDVD.

Theres a 10% chance im wrong, But so far what have i got to prove that its going to be good? After the Fable disasters i do not put any faith in advertising whatsoever.

So let me get this straight, when you said:

"It shall be a camera: Correct ~ Meaning you are going to need a large amount of room to play. I do not have a large amount of space to play it in".

You assume it will be a failed product because you don't have a large amount of space to play it in?. That's sound a bit absurd to me.

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"Im going to presume it is going to have to set the background behind you as exactly that, Background. And this is where the flaw comes in: How is Natal supposed to be able to distinguish between Human movement & the movement of Animate objects like Grandfather clocks, Etc" - Then you go about making more presumptions.

Firstly, we don't know what kind of technology is been employed here. Motion capture has come a long way and it could very well be possible that Natal can recognize player motion from say, a cat on a trampoline. (probably via distance and general speed of motion..who knows?). This is why it is acceptable to wait till we know more about the product before saying, "there is a 90% chance it's going to suck donkey balls".


"But so far what have i got to prove that its going to be good?" - you haven't even listed any valid criteria for why it could be bad, apart from the fact that you have little space to move about and you assume that some of the best minds in the market will build a camera that cannot distinguish a player from a ticking clock.

Again, you could be right and speculation is a free right to everyone. But don't fool yourself into thinking that you have made an informed decision on the product by mere observation alone. Actually, it's not even observation considering the final products are not even built yet..its just your "assuming" it's going to bomb because...actually I don't why your assuming that..aside from the fact that you seem to think that you know more than the people who are actually building the things.

"After the Fable disasters i do not put any faith in advertising whatsoever"- is it safe to assume you have given up on humanity as well then?. Advertising and 'embellishing the truth' in advertising is a big part of modern society. If you can't deal with a little bit of exaggeration now and then...

Also for the record: Yahtzee says a lot of things but part of his charisma is saying things prematurely. Especially when it comes to previews and not reviews

Previous trends back up my conclusion, The Wii seeming to be the exception to the rule. I was putting forward a hypothetical flaw to the Design. There are screamingly obvious flaws. As ive said before there is a chance im wrong & its going to be the next big thing, But it just strikes me as poor form. Motion capture has been done. Motion sensors have been done before.

And i never said Yahtzee is always right, I just said he seemed to hit the nail on the head. Its one of the reasons i wont go near a Wii.

I think the only thing that will settle this argument is time. Once again i hold my guard up. Also, If it does bomb, this thread shall be getting one epic necro.

 

[lostclause]

If they make it work in some real games, great, if not then it's not going to sell well for the 360. Otherwise it'll go down the same road as the eyetoy, a fun gimmick but too limited to be of any real value.

 

[Outcast107]

It looks cool. I"m sure it won't be for every single game, but mostly like maybe racers, or fighting games. Shooters? Idk...but it would be KICKASS if they could work with that. But sadly probably not this time. But i'm sure this is like a prototype of something in the works later on. If this works, then M$ will work on another protect to "make it better" in my view.

Also to Mikela, people just like to ***** at time.

 

[Spicy meatball]

It looks good in theory and Microsoft should (in theory, from all their previous mistakes) learn from the past and make a masterpiece here. Right now though it looks more of a gimmick but I am keeping a hopeful eye towards the Xbox.

 

[Ironic]

As soon as Peter Molyneux got all hot and bothered about getting emotionally in touch with his virtual-inner child, I decided not to like this.

After all, it's basically a glorified eye-toy with next-gen processing power behind it and some extra sensors.

 

[Twilight_guy]

I think is funny that they say that the Dev team is learning "how the human body moves" as opposed to "how the human body moves during vigorous activity." You can study how people move just by watch fellow Dev team members. Actually It looks to me like they Dev team is just having a break by going out and playing Frisbee.

 

[Parellius]

You assume it will be a failed product because you don't have a large amount of space to play it in?. That's sound a bit absurd to me

I would take it as a given that he is assuming that it will be a failed product because it is essentially a camera peripheral, which traditionally perform poorly after an initial sales boom. He cites a lack of space as his own personal reason not to purchase one and as an example of a reason other people may not want to purchase Natal also.

Then you go about making more presumptions.

Firstly, we don't know what kind of technology is been employed here. Motion capture has come a long way and it could very well be possible that Natal can recognize player motion from say, a cat on a trampoline. (probably via distance and general speed of motion..who knows?). This is why it is acceptable to wait till we know more about the product before saying, "there is a 90% chance it's going to suck donkey balls".

Firstly, a pet hate, DON'T use quotation marks if you aren't ACTUALLY quoting from a source. Secondly, I can understand the concern here, even if it can tell human movement from background motion, what if there is more than one person in the room. Try sharing student digs and running anything like this. It just won't work.

you haven't even listed any valid criteria for why it could be bad, apart from the fact that you have little space to move about and you assume that some of the best minds in the market will build a camera that cannot distinguish a player from a ticking clock.

Again, you could be right and speculation is a free right to everyone. But don't fool yourself into thinking that you have made an informed decision on the product by mere observation alone. Actually, it's not even observation considering the final products are not even built yet..its just your "assuming" it's going to bomb because...actually I don't why your assuming that..aside from the fact that you seem to think that you know more than the people who are actually building the things.

Congratulations on managing to fill two whole paragraphs without making a single new point. You're to be commended on your amazing filler skills. I'm sure that Insanum isn't assuming that he has a 100% knowledge of the workings or limitations of the finished product, just discussing some, very possible, drawbacks.

is it safe to assume you have given up on humanity as well then?. Advertising and 'embellishing the truth' in advertising is a big part of modern society. If you can't deal with a little bit of exaggeration now and then, then I can see why you have such a pessimistic view on things.

Also for the record: Yahtzee says a lot of things but part of his charisma is saying things prematurely. Especially when it comes to previews and not reviews.

I don't believe Insanum was commenting upon the general state of advertising and media hype, rather the general state of Peter Molyneux. Let's face it, the things he says will be possible in each of his games are the greatest work of fiction since vows of fidelity were included in the French marriage ceremony. The moment he jumped on board was, by no small coincidence, the moment I jumped ship.

 

[Shamgarr]

I still wouldn't buy it, Yahtzee said it, We don't come home & relax by flailing like an idiot.

Lets stick with the controller until we can get augmented reality.

Not hating against you, but why does everyone on this site treat Yahtzee like he's a god? I mean, I guess he's pretty clever, if you count the hundreds of ways you can make dicks into jokes, but some people act as though his every word is law. Damn, develope your own opinions.

 

[Insanum]

I still wouldn't buy it, Yahtzee said it, We don't come home & relax by flailing like an idiot.

Lets stick with the controller until we can get augmented reality.

Not hating against you, but why does everyone on this site treat Yahtzee like he's a god? I mean, I guess he's pretty clever, if you count the hundreds of ways you can make dicks into jokes, but some people act as though his every word is law. Damn, develope your own opinions.

... i never said Yahtzee is always right, I just said he seemed to hit the nail on the head. Its one of the reasons i wont go near a Wii.

*ahem*

Please read the posts BEFORE quoting me. Thanks.

 

[elementsoul]

Insanum and Parellius just so you know it does 3-D mapping so it can distinguish between human movement and background movement. Also it can tell the difference between two or more people in the camera's view.