You mention things like erosion as destroying nature,dngamecat said:Hmmm, I've often debated this with myself, but the way I see it is that humans ARE nature, BUT that does not mean they cannot destroy it, nature destroys it's self, think about it, erosion, animals building homes, natural disasters etc. BUT What makes it different that humans do it is that we have free will, thus CHOSE to do this sort of thing, yes to advance as a species and to increase survival rates but never the less it changes nothing in a way, one species that compared to a single group of insects is a tiiiiiny population destroying nature for so many other parts of nature, thus it's kinda ruining more than it's helping, but I guess if insects were as advanced as us they'd do the same kinda thing... In short, humans ARE part of nature, dispite the fact that we destroy other parts of nature.
That's an existential kind of definition, but we're not talking about whether something has a "real or physical existence" are we? If you apply this definition to this argument, robots creating robots would be a natural process. From what this discussion is about, we're mainly looking at whether things created by human beings, which are natural beings, are considered natural. The answer is no. The definition clearly differentiates between natural and artificial.Dr Jones said:Definition of natural according to your source
"having a real or physical existence, as opposed to one that is spiritual, intellectual, fictitious, etc."
Effin ninja'd you!
Well shit, why aren't robots natural huh? We are a product of nature, therefore what we make is a product of nature.Mr. Froggy said:That's an existential kind of definition, but we're not talking about whether something has a "real or physical existence" are we? If you apply this definition to this argument, robots creating robots would be a natural process. From what this discussion is about, we're mainly looking at whether things created by human beings, which are natural beings, are considered natural. The answer is no. The definition clearly differentiates between natural and artificial.Dr Jones said:Definition of natural according to your source
"having a real or physical existence, as opposed to one that is spiritual, intellectual, fictitious, etc."
Effin ninja'd you!
Your ninja skills need work, since you still don't know how to use your weapons properly.
Hmmm I've never thought of that! By that logic humans are creating a new nature I guess... Just a more synthetic one that is meant for humans... Add me dood, I like yer style. Ya give a great argument ^^Dr Jones said:You mention things like erosion as destroying nature,dngamecat said:Hmmm, I've often debated this with myself, but the way I see it is that humans ARE nature, BUT that does not mean they cannot destroy it, nature destroys it's self, think about it, erosion, animals building homes, natural disasters etc. BUT What makes it different that humans do it is that we have free will, thus CHOSE to do this sort of thing, yes to advance as a species and to increase survival rates but never the less it changes nothing in a way, one species that compared to a single group of insects is a tiiiiiny population destroying nature for so many other parts of nature, thus it's kinda ruining more than it's helping, but I guess if insects were as advanced as us they'd do the same kinda thing... In short, humans ARE part of nature, dispite the fact that we destroy other parts of nature.
But isn't it just creating a new nature? A new environment?
Animals don't use tools, they use things like tools. There's a subtle difference here; when a primate uses a stick to get ants out of a hole, he didn't invent an ant catching machine, he's just using a stick. If a monkey uses a rock like a hammer, he's not using a primitive hammer, he's just using a rock. Animals don't use tools, they just use things; when we look at animals using things, we're the ones who say they look like they're using tools, but they're not. Even so, you are looking at the question the wrong way. There is no room for interpretation here, the definition is clear, anything human made is artificial.Dr Jones said:Well shit, why aren't robots natural huh? We are a product of nature, therefore what we make is a product of nature.
How are robotic tools different than what animals may use?
Ever wondered how mountains and highlands came into existense? Ancient mountains were eroded, their sediments carried out to sea. Due to tectonics, the plates that create the surface of our planet, move around, and when they collide, they are driven back into the mantle, which is the molten rock under said plates. When they melt, we get volcanism, which in combination with the colliding forces of the plates create new mountains. This has been going on for over 4 billion years. Think of it as recycling.dngamecat said:Hmmm, I've often debated this with myself, but the way I see it is that humans ARE nature, BUT that does not mean they cannot destroy it, nature destroys it's self, think about it, erosion, animals building homes, natural disasters etc. BUT What makes it different that humans do it is that we have free will, thus CHOSE to do this sort of thing, yes to advance as a species and to increase survival rates but never the less it changes nothing in a way, one species that compared to a single group of insects is a tiiiiiny population destroying nature for so many other parts of nature, thus it's kinda ruining more than it's helping, but I guess if insects were as advanced as us they'd do the same kinda thing... In short, humans ARE part of nature, dispite the fact that we destroy other parts of nature.