NDAA bill signed... and no one seems to care.

[dark-mortality]

Welp, we here in Norway just has one thing to say: ...Hu?

Basically, we have never heard about this before now XD

 

[Da Orky Man]

So the only thing they're not allowed to do is detain you. That still leaves assassinating and torture without needing evidence.

I challenge you to torture someone without detaining them.

Watching Jersey Shore. You may have the ability to turn off the TV whenever you like, but it's such a godawful program you want to see.

 

[Sougo]

Well I'm glad the 'Occupy" protests in America accomplished something.

They provided the smokescreen so them sneaky old men in suits slipped by a bill and law that noone heard of.

EDIT: Oh, for added humor, if the occupy protests happen again, I guess it would now be in the legal realm of the govn. if protest leaders 'vanish.'

 

[ChildishLegacy]

If you speak out against the government on the internet, you'll get a knock on your door from them soon.

Oh come off it, I think they're a fair few steps away from that at the moment.

I thought acts like this were just bureaucratic measures, as in, this won't change the way anything actually happens, it just looks different on paper now because it's "legal". They've probably been doing this for some time now, but all of a sudden it's completely wrong now they've made it official?

 

[Kingsman]

...Except it doesn't actually apply to U.S. citizens, or to lawful resident aliens, check sections 1031 and 1032 of the bill:

Under 1031:
"(d) CONSTITUTIONAL LIMITATION ON APPLICABILITY TO UNITED STATES PERSONS.
?The authority to detain a person under this section does not extend to the
detention of citizens or lawful resident aliens of the United
States on the basis of conduct taking place within the
United States except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States."

Under 1032:
"(b) REQUIREMENT INAPPLICABLE TO UNITED STATES CITIZENS.
?The requirement to detain a person in military custody
under this section does not extend to
citizens of the United States."

Source: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112s1253rs/pdf/BILLS-112s1253rs.pdf

In a way that's worse. It's basically saying "How do you mean, these people we have a totally unproven suspicion of aren't even a part of this country? Well we keep them anyway for as long as we damn well please, because fuck you we're America and national sovereignty be damned."

That's what it sounds like to me at least. The arrogance, good heavens... It's one thing to dick over your own citizens, but to think that you can easily do so with people from other countries is just... I don't even know what to call it.

People from other countries, in our country, illegally, without their sovereign support.

I don't pity 'em.

 

[Something Amyss]

Well guess what, people: it just happened.

People were all tuckered out protesting SOPA. They don't have any energy left to deal with something not youtube-related.

 

[BOOM headshot65]

Oh good God, people. This is nothing be up in arms over. If it was even 1/4 as bad as people say it was, a senator would have thrown up a red flag and called foul. And it STILL has to be declared consititional by the Supreme Court. Bottom line, I wont be worried until some random Joe disappears. Till then, this is just meaningless whistleblowing.

 

[Jegsimmons]

2002-ish: Bush signed the patriot act which lets people spy on suspected terrorist!
AUTHORITARIAN! HITLER!!! DICTATOR!!!!!!!

2012- Obama signed a bill that allows people for vague reasons to be imprisoned without ANY due process and that includes american citizens?
Oh...ok...



seriously....what...the...fuck.....

It would be cool if Obama used these powers to torture and assassinate Fox News commentators.

.....so, torture and kill people who speak in favor of things you dont agree with?
stay classy escapist. stay classy.

 

[Nurb]

Another example of how the 'land of the free' has the least freedom of most developed nations for its citizens.

"PICK UP THAT CAN!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s94Yu_Io1U#t=01m00s
.

 

[WillItWork]

Yes it's stupid. But Americans love security theatre, which why there's the TSA and the Patriot Act. Simply put, if you don't have good faith in your government, then the expectation will be for a government to abuse its power and to restrict those powers.

In the USA, the fear has gone the other way, and as long as the state of affairs continues, you will see foolishness like this.

 

[boyvirgo666]

So all the human rights organizations who've been protesting this bill since it was announced must all be making a mistake. All of them. Simultaneously. I'm not looking through it all, either. Point is, this bill is at best bad news, at worst a declaration of war against the American people. Thank God I'm Canadian. Means I wont get assassinated for speaking out against my government.

It woudnt be the first time they were all wrong or mis-quoting something for attention. And i just looked it up, hes right. There is no legal permission to detail citizens, also if the government wants to assasinate you whats going to stop them anyway?

 

[Kevlar Eater]

The Constitution? Right to peacefully assemble.

The Constitution is an outdated concept only good for its time: when it was penned, which was a long time ago, and the lawyers that attack it every day know this. This new law basically proves it. Add this to SOPA which may get passed despite public opinion, and the US will become more authoritarian/corporatist than it already is.

Is that likely? This isn't Libya, the U.S Government isn't going to begin mass murder of its own population.

The US government would prefer not to gets its hands dirty. Pay off the private military contractors and look the other way, and once the attacks are done, they'd doubtlessly call it a terrorist attack while not giving any details; essentially talking without saying anything.

 

[Andy Szidon]

The bill specifically includes this dude as being able to torture, assassinate and detain lawfully. Wouldn't want to be them.

Source or you're a troll.

The bill is the source, go read it.

To EVERYONElease put your source in the post. I have read the bill and have seen nothing involving the ability to torture and assasinate.

 

[Slaanesh]

Didn't we already assassinate a citizen of the US back in September for being in Al Queida? I mean we blew him to hell with a drone. Whats the point of this bill when we're already doing this shit?

 

[Andy Szidon]

Didn't we already assassinate a citizen of the US back in September for being in Al Queida? I mean we blew him to hell with a drone. Whats the point of this bill when we're already doing this shit?

This bill isn't about assasination or torture unless you ask a troll or someone who doesn't actually do the research.

 

[bluepotatosack]

Nobody cares? Pretty much everyone I know is somewhat outraged. There's been some backlash. Senator Feinstein has introduced the Due Process Guarantee act which would amend the NDAA.

From her page: "The Due Process Guarantee Act of 2011 amends the Non-Detention Act of 1971 by providing that a Congressional authorization for the use of military force does not authorize the indefinite detention?without charge or trial?of U.S. citizens who are apprehended domestically."

Linkage. [http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=92cd1ac6-e756-4cd3-982c-ab34d1933d94]

 

[brainslurper]

The Constitution? Right to peacefully assemble.

The Constitution is an outdated concept only good for its time: when it was penned, which was a long time ago, and the lawyers that attack it every day know this. This new law basically proves it. Add this to SOPA which may get passed despite public opinion, and the US will become more authoritarian/corporatist than it already is.

Is that likely? This isn't Libya, the U.S Government isn't going to begin mass murder of its own population.

The US government would prefer not to gets its hands dirty. Pay off the private military contractors and look the other way, and once the attacks are done, they'd doubtlessly call it a terrorist attack while not giving any details; essentially talking without saying anything.

I think that you are underestimating the incompetence of the US government. Also, while there are often minor contradictions with the constitution (freedom to do so and so) they are usually an effort to improve people's lives. Genocide isn't improving anyone's lives.

 

[Aethren]

You're right about the not caring part. People who speak out about stuff like this always end up getting some part of it wrong, and I don't follow bias accusations and pointless assumptions, nor do I agree with flawed opinions.