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Spoonius

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Hey guys...

My dad's house was broken into earlier today (just heard about it a second ago), and I'm going down to spend the night with him in the event that the burglars return (they didn't manage to take anything the first time, because the alarm went off, but they broke the door down, and he's in a bad neighbourhood).

So anyway, only a little while until I leave... would it be advisable to take a weapon with me? Probably a knife (I'm Australian)? If I end up using said weapon in self-defence, will it come back to bite me in the ass legally?

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I know this is irregular, but I also know that you guys can give some pretty solid legal advice.

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EDIT: Thanks for all the replies people! Too much to quote and answer, so in summary:

- I don't own a deadly yet lovable local animal as a pet. I can't catapult box jellyfish at them, I can't throw baskets full of snakes at them, I can't send a Kangaroo with boxing gloves at them, and I don't have any terrifying spiders with which to harvest their dying screams.

- They initially broke in during the day, while my dad was at work. Not during the night.

- My dad isn't rich at all... the opposite, in fact. However, his house looks rich (when we bought it cheap from the bank though, the house was vandalised to shit... no electricity, no hot water, trashed rooms, broken roof/floors/doors, graffiti and dead insects everywhere, etc), and is located in a very poor (and criminal-populated) neighbourhood. It stands out.

- We have good reason to believe that the intruders aren't just petty burglars, and that they'll return. The police also indicated that they were probably fairly-strong adult males, and that they were wearing gloves when they broke in.

- Australian burglars aren't as civil as the burglars a few of you might be familiar with... round here, plenty of robbers won't think twice about bashing even an elderly couple inside their own home. Fellow Australians know who/what I'm talking about.

- I'm not American, and thus don't own a baseball bat or gun... but I found a nice, thick, metre-long, hefty steel bar instead, as well as a cricket bat... for close encounters of the burglar kind. I've left them with my dad for now. They shouldn't look too out-of-place sitting in a garage/house.

- A lot of people telling me that it's inadvisable to fight an intruder... well I wouldn't normally suggest it, but I'm fairly-well trained in Krav Maga, and my dad was in the special forces (and is still in good physical shape). Trust me, I'd only fight them off as a last resort anyway, but I think we could subdue or detain them if we needed to.

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Just wanted to note... to my knowledge, in Australia you can only use equal and not superior force to fend off an intruder right? I know the laws here are ridiculous, and that they almost favour the attacker (who's prepared), but I'm not quite sure where the boundaries lie. As far as I know, even using pepper spray against an unarmed burglar could land you in trouble, unless you're at a physical disadvantage.

I'd be happy if someone could clarify.
 

similar.squirrel

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I think you should call the police, first of all.

But by all means take a baseball bat or something. Just keep the lights on and stay up all night. Should deter them.
 

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I doubt they'll try again. For one, they now KNOW you have an alarm system. 2nd, they know you'll be on high alert since they just tried. The police as well. Always have protection sure, but I doubt you'll see them soon.
 

MercurySteam

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I don't think they'd be stupid enough to come back, but a cap gun is good for warning shots.
 

Nouw

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If spiders are bountiful around your Dad's house, use them to their fullest >:)

But seriously, I doubt they'll return. If they do, have the cops on speed-dial.
 

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Leave the lights on, or maybe the tv to make them think you're still up. but yeah like's been said, they're probably not going to try again because it'll be pretty risky seeing as they've already been seen in the act.

Also maybe invest in some better locks or something to stop them getting in the same way again if they do try it.

Also maybe put some lights outside your house, maybe even one that comes on with a sensor, that'll make them crap themselves.
 

Angry Camel

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Keep a giant, strong stick near by. Main thing is just be alert. Improvisation with anything you can get your hands on is great, since it can't bite you on the rear legally (E.g: Oh no, burglars! This long, steel vacuum cleaner pipe is the closest thing to me!)
 

snakeakaossi

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Whatever you do, don't take a LETHAL weapon with you. A knife is a bad idea. If you cut or kill the burglars, you might be hold accountable for your choice of weapon. Use a bat or tennis racket or hockey stick, that should scare them enough.

The best idea here is to call the police for security and legal stuff and a carpenter for an emergency door replacement. I think the insurance might pay the emergency door fix for you.
 

remedyX

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MercurySteam said:
I don't think they'd be stupid enough to come back, but a cap gun is good for warning shots.
WHAT?!

Dude, this is terrible advice, do not wave anything around that looks like a gun, unless its a gun you're willing to use. A cap gun? Seriously?

Otherwise decent advice in this thread.
 

MercurySteam

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remedyX said:
MercurySteam said:
I don't think they'd be stupid enough to come back, but a cap gun is good for warning shots.
WHAT?!

Dude, this is terrible advice, do not wave anything around that looks like a gun, unless its a gun you're willing to use. A cap gun? Seriously?

Otherwise decent advice in this thread.
Loud noises startle nervous people nosing around in stuff that doesn't belong to them. It's a good idea.
 

remedyX

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MercurySteam said:
remedyX said:
MercurySteam said:
I don't think they'd be stupid enough to come back, but a cap gun is good for warning shots.
WHAT?!

Dude, this is terrible advice, do not wave anything around that looks like a gun, unless its a gun you're willing to use. A cap gun? Seriously?

Otherwise decent advice in this thread.
Loud noises startle nervous people nosing around in stuff that doesn't belong to them. It's a good idea.
What if they have a gun? What if instead of comically running away they react violently? Why alert them to your position with a loud noise that sounds nothing like a gun? What if they're high as hell? etc etc
 

coldfrog

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MercurySteam said:
remedyX said:
MercurySteam said:
I don't think they'd be stupid enough to come back, but a cap gun is good for warning shots.
WHAT?!

Dude, this is terrible advice, do not wave anything around that looks like a gun, unless its a gun you're willing to use. A cap gun? Seriously?

Otherwise decent advice in this thread.
Loud noises startle nervous people nosing around in stuff that doesn't belong to them. It's a good idea.
Startle them into firing back perhaps? Depending on just how bad the neighborhood it is... why take the chance, you know? Whether or not you're willing or able to use a weapon (or fake weapon), carrying it or brandishing it is just saying to the intruder that you're willing to take it up a level. Which is fine if THEY didn't plan on using their weapon, but if they were... Is that a risk you're willing to take? I'd say, if you are willing to use a weapon, carry it, otherwise there's not much you can do.
 

MercurySteam

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remedyX said:
MercurySteam said:
remedyX said:
MercurySteam said:
I don't think they'd be stupid enough to come back, but a cap gun is good for warning shots.
WHAT?!

Dude, this is terrible advice, do not wave anything around that looks like a gun, unless its a gun you're willing to use. A cap gun? Seriously?

Otherwise decent advice in this thread.
Loud noises startle nervous people nosing around in stuff that doesn't belong to them. It's a good idea.
What if they have a gun? What if instead of comically running away they react violently? Why alert them to your position with a loud noise that sounds nothing like a gun? What if they're high as hell? etc etc
If the thieves had a real gun then he'd be screwed anyway. I doubt that they would come back without a good reason and shooting people will only make it worse for them.
 

remedyX

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MercurySteam said:
remedyX said:
MercurySteam said:
remedyX said:
MercurySteam said:
I don't think they'd be stupid enough to come back, but a cap gun is good for warning shots.
WHAT?!

Dude, this is terrible advice, do not wave anything around that looks like a gun, unless its a gun you're willing to use. A cap gun? Seriously?

Otherwise decent advice in this thread.
Loud noises startle nervous people nosing around in stuff that doesn't belong to them. It's a good idea.
What if they have a gun? What if instead of comically running away they react violently? Why alert them to your position with a loud noise that sounds nothing like a gun? What if they're high as hell? etc etc
If the thieves had a real gun then he'd be screwed anyway. I doubt that they would come back without a good reason and shooting people will only make it worse for them.
Look I'm not going to argue with you any more about this.

Police themselves have never advocated such advice. If someone breaks into your house, leave and call police. Grab an actual weapon to defend yourself with if it will help.
 

MercurySteam

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remedyX said:
MercurySteam said:
remedyX said:
MercurySteam said:
remedyX said:
MercurySteam said:
I don't think they'd be stupid enough to come back, but a cap gun is good for warning shots.
WHAT?!

Dude, this is terrible advice, do not wave anything around that looks like a gun, unless its a gun you're willing to use. A cap gun? Seriously?

Otherwise decent advice in this thread.
Loud noises startle nervous people nosing around in stuff that doesn't belong to them. It's a good idea.
What if they have a gun? What if instead of comically running away they react violently? Why alert them to your position with a loud noise that sounds nothing like a gun? What if they're high as hell? etc etc
If the thieves had a real gun then he'd be screwed anyway. I doubt that they would come back without a good reason and shooting people will only make it worse for them.
Look I'm not going to argue with you any more about this.

Police themselves have never advocated such advice. If someone breaks into your house, leave and call police. Grab an actual weapon to defend yourself with if it will help.
Just as I said; it's good for warning shots. If things get worse then a real weapon on backup and the Cops on speedial should follow up.
 

remedyX

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MercurySteam said:
remedyX said:
MercurySteam said:
remedyX said:
MercurySteam said:
remedyX said:
MercurySteam said:
I don't think they'd be stupid enough to come back, but a cap gun is good for warning shots.
WHAT?!

Dude, this is terrible advice, do not wave anything around that looks like a gun, unless its a gun you're willing to use. A cap gun? Seriously?

Otherwise decent advice in this thread.
Loud noises startle nervous people nosing around in stuff that doesn't belong to them. It's a good idea.
What if they have a gun? What if instead of comically running away they react violently? Why alert them to your position with a loud noise that sounds nothing like a gun? What if they're high as hell? etc etc
If the thieves had a real gun then he'd be screwed anyway. I doubt that they would come back without a good reason and shooting people will only make it worse for them.
Look I'm not going to argue with you any more about this.

Police themselves have never advocated such advice. If someone breaks into your house, leave and call police. Grab an actual weapon to defend yourself with if it will help.
Just as I said; it's good for warning shots. If things get worse then a real weapon on backup and the Cops on speedial should follow up.
What warning shots? He doesn't have a real gun. Why not just shout?
 

MercurySteam

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remedyX said:
MercurySteam said:
remedyX said:
MercurySteam said:
remedyX said:
MercurySteam said:
remedyX said:
MercurySteam said:
I don't think they'd be stupid enough to come back, but a cap gun is good for warning shots.
WHAT?!

Dude, this is terrible advice, do not wave anything around that looks like a gun, unless its a gun you're willing to use. A cap gun? Seriously?

Otherwise decent advice in this thread.
Loud noises startle nervous people nosing around in stuff that doesn't belong to them. It's a good idea.
What if they have a gun? What if instead of comically running away they react violently? Why alert them to your position with a loud noise that sounds nothing like a gun? What if they're high as hell? etc etc
If the thieves had a real gun then he'd be screwed anyway. I doubt that they would come back without a good reason and shooting people will only make it worse for them.
Look I'm not going to argue with you any more about this.

Police themselves have never advocated such advice. If someone breaks into your house, leave and call police. Grab an actual weapon to defend yourself with if it will help.
Just as I said; it's good for warning shots. If things get worse then a real weapon on backup and the Cops on speedial should follow up.
What warning shots? He doesn't have a real gun. Why not just shout?
Caps guns are loud as hell in tight spaces and scare the shit out of people even if they're expecting it.
 

remedyX

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MercurySteam said:
remedyX said:
MercurySteam said:
remedyX said:
MercurySteam said:
remedyX said:
MercurySteam said:
remedyX said:
MercurySteam said:
I don't think they'd be stupid enough to come back, but a cap gun is good for warning shots.
WHAT?!

Dude, this is terrible advice, do not wave anything around that looks like a gun, unless its a gun you're willing to use. A cap gun? Seriously?

Otherwise decent advice in this thread.
Loud noises startle nervous people nosing around in stuff that doesn't belong to them. It's a good idea.
What if they have a gun? What if instead of comically running away they react violently? Why alert them to your position with a loud noise that sounds nothing like a gun? What if they're high as hell? etc etc
If the thieves had a real gun then he'd be screwed anyway. I doubt that they would come back without a good reason and shooting people will only make it worse for them.
Look I'm not going to argue with you any more about this.

Police themselves have never advocated such advice. If someone breaks into your house, leave and call police. Grab an actual weapon to defend yourself with if it will help.
Just as I said; it's good for warning shots. If things get worse then a real weapon on backup and the Cops on speedial should follow up.
What warning shots? He doesn't have a real gun. Why not just shout?
Caps guns are loud as hell in tight spaces and scare the shit out of people even if they're expecting it.
Do we want the breaker-iner to react in fear or do we want them to react rationally?

Rational: The few hundred dollars will not be worth jail-time.
Irrational: Oh god I am fighting for my life against a man with a gun.