Need some piracy advice....

[Indecipherable]

Actually let me give you some advice: do it.

Nothing will happen and he'll be free of a horrible horrible so-called friend and be better for it.

You should be ashamed. Hopefully when you're out of our early teens you'll have learned a bit more about things.

 

[targren]

"Worry about your own fortunes gentlemen. The deepest circle of hell is reserved for betrayers and mutineers." - Captain Jack Sparrow, PIRATE

Quoting a Disney movie to tell the OP to untwist his panties about his buddy downloading a game.

You, sir, win the awesome irony award in this thread.

 

[Rheinmetall]

Lemme just report all my friends to the police then, because I loaned them some games that they played without paying for so they are definitely stealing.

I had a friend that we played for years Tomb Raider and Pro Evolution Soccer on MY Playstation and for him it was for free! We had so much fun...too bad that I will have to report him too for not paying a penny to Eidos (now Square Enix) and Konami.

But aren't we accomplishers too for loaning to them the game, or calling them to come to our house? We are going to be in trouble...

 

[targren]

But...the law does specifically tell you it's wrong.

No, the law tells you it's illegal. Big difference. There is no jurisdiction on this planet in which there is a mapping of legality onto morality. Many things are not wrong, but illegal, and many things which are wrong, but legal.

Also, if you actually "steal" a copy of a game, you get a genuine non-pirated copy.

This, however, is true. Conflating infringement with theft is a rhetorical scam, using emotive language to demonize those who disagree. Pure propaganda.

 

[Indecipherable]

But...the law does specifically tell you it's wrong.

No, the law tells you it's illegal. Big difference. There is no jurisdiction on this planet in which there is a mapping of legality onto morality. Many things are not wrong, but illegal, and many things which are wrong, but legal.

Also, if you actually "steal" a copy of a game, you get a genuine non-pirated copy.

This, however, is true. Conflating infringement with theft is a rhetorical scam, using emotive language to demonize those who disagree. Pure propaganda.

To elaborate on this, which is an excellent insight into ethics vs morality, an example of legality not being an ethical issue is the law on seatbelts in motor vehicles or crash helmets on bicycles. It's only you get that gets harmed by it, but it's illegal not to protect yourself.

The difference by the way between ethics and morality is that morality is what is acceptable by society and deemed appropriate, while ethics is what is right or wrong without cultural context. For instance, many years ago slavery was acceptable and hence morally fine - yet ethically, it clearly isn't. Likewise, slavery was quite legal back in the days, to illustrate how what is legal does not dictate what is ethical. It can be seen that what is legal typically follows the expectations of society (morality) rather than an inherent right vs wrong (ethics).

Thank you for this post as I'm glad to see some deeper understandings of what is going on in this forum.

 

[Dryk]

To elaborate on this, which is an excellent insight into ethics vs morality, an example of legality not being an ethical issue is the law on seatbelts in motor vehicles or crash helmets on bicycles. It's only you get that gets harmed by it, but it's illegal not to protect yourself.

It gets a bit murky in countries with public healthcare though

 

[Spitfire]

One of my friends pirated Skyrim recently (like a day ago). I am really, really irrated about it, I spent a whole hour almost ranting at him about how cruel it was to Bethesda's workers who poured so much work into the game for him to just pirate it.
He said that he was completely justified in taking it at as he did'nt want to pay for it, which in my opinion is a terrible excuse.

Now I don't hate pirates, some times it is fair. Like situations like no demo, trying before you buy it, it's an EA game(lol half-joke) or it is'nt available anymore to buy; but just taking a product for the sake of WEYHAY FREE SHIT!!111!! just does not sit well with me.

Let me get this straight. So you think that it's ok to pirate a game if there is no demo version of it available, yet you would report your own friend to the authorities for doing just that?

You sound like you're the worst kind of friend someone can have, beside being an immense hypocrite as well.

 

[targren]

"Worry about your own fortunes gentlemen. The deepest circle of hell is reserved for betrayers and mutineers." - Captain Jack Sparrow, PIRATE

Quoting a Disney movie to tell the OP to untwist his panties about his buddy downloading a game.

You, sir, win the awesome irony award in this thread.

But if I DON'T report a pirate, then I'm betraying the law [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6cyDsuNx_U].

Ignoring for the moment whether or not that's even a bad thing, since the law has betrayed you more times than you're probably aware of...

You are aware that Judge Dredd is a parody of fascism, right?

 

[Indecipherable]

To elaborate on this, which is an excellent insight into ethics vs morality, an example of legality not being an ethical issue is the law on seatbelts in motor vehicles or crash helmets on bicycles. It's only you get that gets harmed by it, but it's illegal not to protect yourself.

It gets a bit murky in countries with public healthcare though

There are other examples where cultural norms are imposed, such as where women are legally unable to be licenced to drive, or have curfews imposed/dress standards. Adding to that there are existing laws in some countries against blasphemy, too.

I understand your point, but would also say that it's legal to eat yourself into a thousand disorders requiring quite possibly millions of dollars worth of funding to keep you alive.

 

[loa]

So you rant to him about it for an hour, go here and ask for ways to specifically screw him over behind his back because you're too much of a coward to do it openly and then you have the audacity to insist that he is the arrogant one?

Good sir, you may delude yourself into thinking you're doing this "for his own good" but you're really just coming off like a worthless excuse of a "friend".
You might as well do the both of you a favor and cut off contact to him.

 

[Dryk]

I understand your point, but would also say that it's legal to eat yourself into a thousand disorders requiring quite possibly millions of dollars worth of funding to keep you alive.

That's the especially weird thing. That my country is currently willing to pay for some methods of harming yourself but actively polices others. But this is getting off-topic

 

[Yan007]

No, if you take a crack copy, then you're taking a copy that wasn't paid for. That is stealing.

But it was paid for, by the guy who cracked it. So it's not stealing, is it.

But the COPIES weren't paid for.

The original copy was paid for. As far as we know only one copy was downloaded from the cracker's drive and he may not be playing anymore. Just like lending your own copy.