Need some piracy advice....

[Susan Arendt]

Bethesda are already sitting on a mountain of cash. Chill the fuck out and don't be snitchin'.

Right. Because that makes it ok. Christ...

To the OP, I'd just take something of his, preferably something expensive. I mean, you WANT it and don't have the money for it, so OBVIOUSLY it's ok to just take it, right?

Frankly, I don't imagine anything you could say or do will convince your buddy that what he's doing is wrong. Some people are just immature and selfish. Perhaps someday he'll grow out of it.

 

[Tiamattt]

I know someone already mentioned this but it got buried under the giant sized war going on so.......

Step 1: Somehow get access to his computer
Step 2: Delete Skyrim and all his save files
Step 3: Delete whatever torrent program he used to get it in the first place
Step 4(optional): Change his decktop wallpaper to that troll face

Sure he can easily get it all back, but maybe he think it's not worth the effort and you reduced his gaming experience from full game to demo.


Or you know you can just stop being friends with him.

 

[Silverfox99]

I don't like pirates. I don't like the reasons that people give to make it ok. It seems basic that it is not yours and you know that you shouldn't do it. Hint - anytime you have to justify an action, for any reason, you should think more about what you are doing and why you are trying to make what you are doing ok in your head.

OP: If it bothers you so much buy your friend a copy of the game. That will make them legit, give the publishers their money, and it should send a jolt to your friend how much you care about the issue. Not saying it will stop them, but it should make them think a bit more.

 

[Vegosiux]

OP: If it bothers you so much buy your friend a copy of the game. That will make them legit, give the publishers their money, and it should send a jolt to your friend how much you care about the issue. Not saying it will stop them, but it should make them think a bit more.

This is...

....this is kind of the best piece of advice in the entire thread so far. My hat is off to you.

 

[targren]

Your missing the point in that it never actually has to. You dont understand what your talking about so your argument fails when you apply logic to it. They dont ever have to remove the drm, they are not required to at all.

The law (currently) disagrees with you. While I don't doubt that an update will be purchased to make it so, that's just more evidence that the system is bent.

DRM is specifically designed to prevent the "protected" content from falling into the public hands, even when the elapsed time passes and they're entitled to it.

 

[Baldr]

Here the definition:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theft_of_services

Games are a service commodity, not a physical commodity.

Why don't you read that definition again, hm? Games are still "goods". They're not "services". They're still a "product".

And...."service commodity"? No, sorry, something is either a service or a commodity. Not both.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_%28economics%29

As opposed to a good.

 

[Tanakh]

Actually, the legal definition of theft requires just that. And not only does it require removal of original, it also requires the intent to permanently deprive the owner of said original.

I alredy had that discussion in pararell in this thread, won't repost. Also with Titan I am talking about non legal languaje, what it means inside a particular place legal code is not relevant.

 

[Pandabearparade]

To the OP, I'd just take something of his, preferably something expensive. I mean, you WANT it and don't have the money for it, so OBVIOUSLY it's ok to just take it, right?

So your advice is to commit a crime to teach someone it's wrong to commit a (lesser) crime?

The Escapist staff treats piracy like it's morally equivalent to beating up old ladies. It's bad, you shouldn't do it, but it is -not- the same thing as jacking your friend's car or making off with his TV.

 

[Susan Arendt]

To the OP, I'd just take something of his, preferably something expensive. I mean, you WANT it and don't have the money for it, so OBVIOUSLY it's ok to just take it, right?

So your advice is to commit a crime to teach someone it's wrong to commit a (lesser) crime?

The Escapist staff treats piracy like it's morally equivalent to beating up old ladies. It's bad, you shouldn't do it, but it is -not- the same thing as jacking your friend's car or making off with his TV.

Oh, lord, I didn't mean his car or TV. Just something to illustrate the point, not actually be a felony. (Wait...is stealing a TV a felony? Car would be, but I'm actually not sure about the TV.)

 

[Susan Arendt]

Bethesda are already sitting on a mountain of cash. Chill the fuck out and don't be snitchin'.

Right. Because that makes it ok. Christ...

To the OP, I'd just take something of his, preferably something expensive. I mean, you WANT it and don't have the money for it, so OBVIOUSLY it's ok to just take it, right?

Frankly, I don't imagine anything you could say or do will convince your buddy that what he's doing is wrong. Some people are just immature and selfish. Perhaps someday he'll grow out of it.

You mean kinda like someone who can't tell the difference between making a copy of something and actually stealing it?

"I'm taking this because I can't afford to buy it." Yeah, that's totally what you say when you're making a copy of something.

 

[Vegosiux]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_%28economics%29

As opposed to a good.

Sorry, but there's nothing in that article that would make software a service as opposed to a commodity. I do see you found a need little discrepancy in semantics though.

So, then, if software falls under "service" and piracy is "theft of service"....why the hell do we have copyright laws of it?

Seriously, why the hell are you people so hell bent on arguing that

Saying "Piracy isn't theft" == saying "Piracy is totally cool, dude"

That's not what people are saying. That's a strawman. Stop. It.

 

[Vegosiux]

I alredy had that discussion in pararell in this thread, won't repost. Also with Titan I am talking about non legal languaje, what it means inside a particular place legal code is not relevant.

Actually, that's about the only relevant thing as far as legal repercussions are concerned.

If you want to report someone for it, you better damn well make sure the legal details check out, otherwise you're just wasting everybody's time.

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_%28economics%29

As opposed to a good.

Sorry, but there's nothing in that article that would make software a service as opposed to a commodity. I do see you found a need little discrepancy in semantics though.

So, then, if software falls under "service" and piracy is "theft of service"....why the hell do we have copyright laws of it?

Because it doesn't. Videogames are only a service when you look at digital distribution. A physical disc is just that -- a physical good, and while the ESA may have confused a few judges by pulling the old "look at the shiny! It's new technology! It's compleetly different from everything else! The old laws must not apply! Did I mention look at the shiny?" routine, EULAs, going by the actual law instead of the skewed caselaw, aren't worth the paper they're printed on.

Edit: I should note that the whole protection of intangible property thing that EULAs are supposedly for is already covered by copyright law. A copyright is a literal right to make copies. You can own a copy without owning the copyright. The EULA's are there as an attempt to violate consumer rights, nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Vegosiux]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_%28economics%29

As opposed to a good.

Sorry, but there's nothing in that article that would make software a service as opposed to a commodity. I do see you found a need little discrepancy in semantics though.

So, then, if software falls under "service" and piracy is "theft of service"....why the hell do we have copyright laws of it?

It really doesn't. Videogames are only a service when you look at digital distribution. A physical disc is just that -- a physical good, and while the ESA may have confused a few judges by pulling the old "look at the shiny! It's new technology! It's compleetly different from everything else! The old laws must not apply! Did I mention look at the shiny?" routine, EULAs, going by the actual law instead of the skewed caselaw, aren't worth the paper they're printed on.

Until they start presenting the EULA into agreement at the moment of purchase I'm not buying any of that "licensing" mumbo jumbo they keep trying to force feed us with.

If you are selling me a license, sell me a license, don't take my money and show me the license agreement only after you got my money.

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_%28economics%29

As opposed to a good.

Sorry, but there's nothing in that article that would make software a service as opposed to a commodity. I do see you found a need little discrepancy in semantics though.

So, then, if software falls under "service" and piracy is "theft of service"....why the hell do we have copyright laws of it?

It really doesn't. Videogames are only a service when you look at digital distribution. A physical disc is just that -- a physical good, and while the ESA may have confused a few judges by pulling the old "look at the shiny! It's new technology! It's compleetly different from everything else! The old laws must not apply! Did I mention look at the shiny?" routine, EULAs, going by the actual law instead of the skewed caselaw, aren't worth the paper they're printed on.

Until they start presenting the EULA into agreement at the moment of purchase I'm not buying any of that "licensing" mumbo jumbo they keep trying to force feed us with.

If you are selling me a license, sell me a license, don't take my money and show me the license agreement only after you got my money.

Which is exactly how I feel about it; digital distribution services show you the license upfront, and they don't involve a physical transfer of goods. The rest of it? Pure BS. Also, see my edit for a bit more about copyright.

 

[Susan Arendt]

Bethesda are already sitting on a mountain of cash. Chill the fuck out and don't be snitchin'.

Right. Because that makes it ok. Christ...

To the OP, I'd just take something of his, preferably something expensive. I mean, you WANT it and don't have the money for it, so OBVIOUSLY it's ok to just take it, right?

Frankly, I don't imagine anything you could say or do will convince your buddy that what he's doing is wrong. Some people are just immature and selfish. Perhaps someday he'll grow out of it.

You mean kinda like someone who can't tell the difference between making a copy of something and actually stealing it?

"I'm taking this because I can't afford to buy it." Yeah, that's totally what you say when you're making a copy of something.

What? Do you even know what you are saying here yourself? Motivation is irrelevant Ms. Emotionally Charged.

Here, let me help you find a more apt comparison, because you can really use all the help you can get.

This is more like if to teach your friend said lesson you would build yourself a copy of a Table they own or made themselves. Now if I were said friend and you presented that to me I would proceed to laugh at you because I wouldn't give a shit that you built yourself a copy of my Table. The person who originally designed the Table, if it wasn't me, might give a shit, but that isn't my problem.

First of all, I suggest you ease off on your attitude, especially your snarky name calling. Secondly, motivation is irrelevant to what, exactly? I'm not discussing legal implications.