May I suggest to the writer Neon Genesis Evangelion: Redeath Redux? It's much better than the series.
Neon Genesis Evangelion
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Hold the fuck up! He did what next to the redhead? Just...what?Capitano Segnaposto said:
What's the fucking symbolism in that? Okay, I haven't seen the series but I can understand not being happy that your deadbeat dad is forcing you into a lot of unnecessary bullshit situations, but now the kid just seems like a little shit! You don't do that next to someone in the hospital!
Fuck this, I'm going back to G Gundamn and Gurren Lagann. At least the protagonisst in those series grow a pair and actually enjoy having a mech despite the bullshit they deal with.
Great comic. I actually liked Evangelion, too, but I can understand why many people wouldn't share my views on it (and toward the end the series starts to fall apart, also because of a lack of money, since it didn't get enough success in Japan, they got a cut to their budget).
I still fail to see why he was even chosen for the mech, yes I haven't seen the series but everyone says I shouldn't.
"I am also going to constantly shun and ignore you, send you out to risk your life in battle with monsters of unfathomable power, force you to almost kill your best friend and generally treat you like an expendable resource".
But with that said, yeah Shinji is kind of a whiner. I mean I can see where he's coming from to a point but even then there are still plenty of times when I just want to yell "Oh for God's sake grow up! Even 14 year olds aren't this whiny." It's no wonder that almost every piece of media featuring Evangelion since the original series has tried it's best to fix Shinji's major character issues and (at least in my opinion) usually pulls it off well enough.
But with that said, yeah Shinji is kind of a whiner. I mean I can see where he's coming from to a point but even then there are still plenty of times when I just want to yell "Oh for God's sake grow up! Even 14 year olds aren't this whiny." It's no wonder that almost every piece of media featuring Evangelion since the original series has tried it's best to fix Shinji's major character issues and (at least in my opinion) usually pulls it off well enough.
They only killed the currently active Shinji's mom/Lillith hybrid clone what, three or four times over the course of the series? At least until they purged the entire assembly line.WouldYouKindly said:
I still think on the "Ikari is a dick" side you cannot underestimate the value of both the robot Shinji pilots and the submissive chick being partially Shinji's mom.
I've watched the entire series and, yes, this is still hilarious.
Personally, I love Shinji's perfectly-drawn running-away spaghetti arms.
Personally, I love Shinji's perfectly-drawn running-away spaghetti arms.
Hey son, I want you (an untrained civilian teenager) to enter into combat with creatures beyond human comprehension with the power to level cities. Oh, and you're going to have to breath liquid oxygen. Don't worry, it only FEELS like you're drowning!
Hey son, here's a sexy older woman who's SUPPOSED to be kind of like a legal guardian, but she's sexually attractive! Have fun sorting that one out with your crazy hormones!
Oh, and here's a mentally traumatized German red head that hates you and is hitting on an older man. She saw her mom hang herself when she was like 5 or something! Oh, and I think she hates you, did I say that already? Good luck with those damaged goods!
Oh, and here's this kind of anemic looking cute chick that never expresses any emotion whatsoever! She's totally blank, can't feel anything, and is colder than Vanilla Ice on a glacier! Good luck getting warmth out of this!
Oh and, btw, I'm still not going to treat you with any kind of warmth even though I'm literally your only parent. It's almost like I don't see you as a son at all! Boy, won't you be surprised...
Hey son, here's a sexy older woman who's SUPPOSED to be kind of like a legal guardian, but she's sexually attractive! Have fun sorting that one out with your crazy hormones!
Oh, and here's a mentally traumatized German red head that hates you and is hitting on an older man. She saw her mom hang herself when she was like 5 or something! Oh, and I think she hates you, did I say that already? Good luck with those damaged goods!
Oh, and here's this kind of anemic looking cute chick that never expresses any emotion whatsoever! She's totally blank, can't feel anything, and is colder than Vanilla Ice on a glacier! Good luck getting warmth out of this!
Oh and, btw, I'm still not going to treat you with any kind of warmth even though I'm literally your only parent. It's almost like I don't see you as a son at all! Boy, won't you be surprised...
EDIT: I suppose it's best to say this before my rant. I laughed heartily at this one, without context Shinji is hilariously whiny.
Original Post: Shinji is a ludicrously flawed character. Self-centred, nihilistic and whimpy... he is not meant to be a hero.
MASSIVE SPOILERS FROM HERE ON:
He's also only 14, has incredibly poor social skills (possibly due to not having parents for most of his life) cripplingly low self-confidence, is bunked up with an Egotistical Narcissist (Auska) and a stoic human doll (Rei, who also turns out to be a [mass produced] clone of his long dead mother and more loved by his father then himself), is forced to pilot a living machine that translates physical damage to real pain on the part of the pilot and randomly transforms in a terrifying monster that, in turn, drives him crazy.
He refuses to kill a close friend (who mid series is revealed to be a new pilot) who's EVA had become infected by a new type of Angel and his father, the soulless bastard, switches Shinjis EVA to a dummy plug (kind of like an auto-pilot) and forces him to watch as his own EVA rips the other EVA into pieces and proceeds to crush the pilots capsule with his friend inside.
Towards the end, he is forced to kill another friend, one who he really felt a connection to, as it turned out he was an angel. This causes him to snap. The betrayal and simultaneous loss just pushes him over the edge and this is what leads up to his fucked up comma wanking scene (the implied sexual frustration, the end of days fast approaching, the complete distortion of what life is worth... yeah he's a little fucked up). No one mentions, though, that Auska ended up in a comma due to starving herself in a bout of insanity (mostly self-inflicted due to aforementioned narcissism)... Shinji outlasts Auska to the breaking point despite having a far worse lot in life and far more pressure to perform.
In the original series rebooted finale (I don't know if this is revised in the later films), shinji actually initiates the apocalypse and ends the world, though I'm kind of confused at how he got to that point (haven't watched it in a while). He didn't initially intend to do it, but after some trippy montages the world ends and shinji seems happier.
This is not meant to be a typical mecha series.
What's funny is that taking all that occurs throughout the series into account, shinji is ultimately the least fucked up and jaded person there. His Dad is a complete nutjob wrapped in megalomania and sprinkled with dogmatism, Auska is an appendage short of fucking herself, Rei (in the begining of the series) is the 2nd of what amounts to a line of emotionless clones and is also somehow significant to the end of the world (forgot her role in it), Misato attempts at "helping" shinji do more damage then they do good (she at one point offers herself physically to him to save the world... at which point shinji ends it).
I can keep going but I start running short of names to associate with the descriptions... even small part characters like his friends in school are fucking mad. They treat these apocalyptic monsters like something from an anime (I know, meta ain't it).
I don't know about others, but I actually found his character more believable then virtually any other mecha series protagonist ever made.
Original Post: Shinji is a ludicrously flawed character. Self-centred, nihilistic and whimpy... he is not meant to be a hero.
MASSIVE SPOILERS FROM HERE ON:
He's also only 14, has incredibly poor social skills (possibly due to not having parents for most of his life) cripplingly low self-confidence, is bunked up with an Egotistical Narcissist (Auska) and a stoic human doll (Rei, who also turns out to be a [mass produced] clone of his long dead mother and more loved by his father then himself), is forced to pilot a living machine that translates physical damage to real pain on the part of the pilot and randomly transforms in a terrifying monster that, in turn, drives him crazy.
He refuses to kill a close friend (who mid series is revealed to be a new pilot) who's EVA had become infected by a new type of Angel and his father, the soulless bastard, switches Shinjis EVA to a dummy plug (kind of like an auto-pilot) and forces him to watch as his own EVA rips the other EVA into pieces and proceeds to crush the pilots capsule with his friend inside.
Towards the end, he is forced to kill another friend, one who he really felt a connection to, as it turned out he was an angel. This causes him to snap. The betrayal and simultaneous loss just pushes him over the edge and this is what leads up to his fucked up comma wanking scene (the implied sexual frustration, the end of days fast approaching, the complete distortion of what life is worth... yeah he's a little fucked up). No one mentions, though, that Auska ended up in a comma due to starving herself in a bout of insanity (mostly self-inflicted due to aforementioned narcissism)... Shinji outlasts Auska to the breaking point despite having a far worse lot in life and far more pressure to perform.
In the original series rebooted finale (I don't know if this is revised in the later films), shinji actually initiates the apocalypse and ends the world, though I'm kind of confused at how he got to that point (haven't watched it in a while). He didn't initially intend to do it, but after some trippy montages the world ends and shinji seems happier.
This is not meant to be a typical mecha series.
What's funny is that taking all that occurs throughout the series into account, shinji is ultimately the least fucked up and jaded person there. His Dad is a complete nutjob wrapped in megalomania and sprinkled with dogmatism, Auska is an appendage short of fucking herself, Rei (in the begining of the series) is the 2nd of what amounts to a line of emotionless clones and is also somehow significant to the end of the world (forgot her role in it), Misato attempts at "helping" shinji do more damage then they do good (she at one point offers herself physically to him to save the world... at which point shinji ends it).
I can keep going but I start running short of names to associate with the descriptions... even small part characters like his friends in school are fucking mad. They treat these apocalyptic monsters like something from an anime (I know, meta ain't it).
I don't know about others, but I actually found his character more believable then virtually any other mecha series protagonist ever made.
Does this sane metric take into account Gendo's odd ability to stick his hand through Rei's boob and tickle her babymaker?
