Neverwinter Nights 2 is the most fatally buggy game I've ever played.

[CM156_v1legacy]

And there wasn't enough Bishop.

God, I hated that bastard. It just broke the RP element of the game for me. Why would he demand to join the party of me, a Lawful Good male Paladin of Tyr, who has done nothing but berate him for being cruel? I stood against him every chance, yet he still stuck around. Further, I wish I could have stabbed him in the neck with my Holy Avenger, or had Casavir do it.

The Characters for the OC in NWN2 were some of the best for me. Sure a drunken dwarf, a kleptomaniac Tiefling rogue, a elf who loves trees, ect are not new ideas, but the way they are done is almost done with a deliberate sense that they know what is going on. The story of the OC in NWN2 was weak, but the Characters were very strong. As for MotB, the characters were weaker(never really played off one another as they did in the OC), but the story was stronger. If I am not mistaken, Lt. Danger did LPlay and dissected these things. I would recommend reading it. http://lparchive.org/Neverwinter-Nights-2/
As for SoZ, its characters were interchangeable, and the story was a joke.

I liked the characters in the NWN 2 OC too. I was talking about the first NWN. I disagree with you on SoZ. I loved the characters in Soz. Yes they were underdone but they captured my imagination. You had an evil Deep Gnome female that looks like a guy and talks like a Smurf. You had a dude with dreads and a pet dinosaur, and an alcoholic halfling swordswoman. Personally I belive Soz is one of the more underrated games.

They were imaginative, just not as developed. For example, I had a half-orc paladin join rather early on (Bannersworn). H-orcs are usually chaotic evil. He just wasn?t developed enough for me. Though I did like the additional dialogue I got when my Doomguide spoke to Septimud.
I somewhat wrote my own story there with my party, which was nice. Getting to make your own team was also fun (Fighter/Dwarvern Defender/Weapon Master was very OP.). SoZ was great, but I did have a few gripes with it, mostly the trade system. My other main one was with a certain Undead fellow you could meet. If you play LG like I usually do (Even when I try to be LN, I end up LG), you could have missed out on him. The very fact that he is here means someone wasn?t nice to a certain rainbow bear. Oh well, the whole thing isn?t FR cannon anyways.

 

[TH3_D15HWA5H3R]

lol had too restart the game 8 time because it kept deleting my save files... gave up lolwas good when it worked but

 

[Aidinthel]

I hear so many horror stories about Obsidian games, and when I play them they always work just fine. (Well, a few bugs in F:NV on release day, but nothing too serious.) Am I just really lucky or is there something special about playing on a dual-booted Macbook Pro?

Anyway, I liked NWN 2. It wasn't spectacular, but it wasn't bad either. Though the end of the OC is just terrible. Someone better have been fired for that epilogue.

 

[CM156_v1legacy]

I hear so many horror stories about Obsidian games, and when I play them they always work just fine. (Well, a few bugs in F:NV on release day, but nothing too serious.) Am I just really lucky or is there something special about playing on a dual-booted Macbook Pro?

Anyway, I liked NWN 2. It wasn't spectacular, but it wasn't bad either. Though the end of the OC is just terrible. Someone better have been fired for that epilogue.

Perhaps it is running it on a Mac. I play NWN2 on my Acer Laptop, and the game never gave me any problem beyond some scripting breaking in large scale battles.

As for the ending, yes, "Rocks fall, eveyone dies" is a joke for a reason.

 

[Kaanyr Vhok]

A graphical upgrade of NWN would have been a better idea. NWN2 just does it all wrong. It takes what NWN did right, throws it out a window and replaces it with everything that you shouldn't do. Finally, it adds everything NWN did wrong, and an extra helping of lack of official support and art direction.

Apparently this was another case of the game being released early by Atari, with a lot of odd choices made by head office, to remove content that didn't need removing. It's another KOTOR2 all over again. Twice in a row however is a bit to much of a sour pill to swallow, so it's hard to take Obsidian's word that it wasn't their fault.

Like what. I cant name anything that was better about the first one. I even preferred 2s tools.

 

[Twilight_guy]

NWN2 was notoriously broken and bugged. Lots of people still work with he engine though. I had a level design class that worked in the NWN2 engine and it bit us regular occasions. Did you know that there is actually no mechanism in the game to make characters sit down? You have to hack sitting into the game. It's a big bucket of fail but one that many people feel quiet the attachment to.

 

[Imbechile]

Given that NN2 has been on the steam sale lately I threw down £8 and decided to give it a try, since I've been in the mood for an RPG game lately. In the time since playing it I've had to start over twice, both times encountering game breaking glitches!

The first happened because one of the characters who was supposed to die, through some divine intervention, simply didn't- this left them stuck in my group for a while and from that point on talking to certain NPCs (like the wizard) caused my game to crash to desktop.

Second time through, got further into it. Managed to obtain everything I needed, and it was off to Neverwinter! ...why am I walking so slow? What is this?
Inventory? Nope. Curse? Nope. Toggle track/stealth/search? Nope.

Turns out, like many people a google search has discovered, my character has become the victim of a literally permanent case of the 'slow movement speed' effect. Can't be removed by any in-game or console means, and the game is once again broken.

... can I have my £8 back? Despite this being the fully patched version (for such an old game) none of these issues have been fixed. The slow movement thing has come up a bunch and there has NEVER been a fix for it.

Tough luck for you. I played it unpached when it came out and I've encountered only a few minor glitches. I'm playing it now patched and there are no problems.

So, what I'm trying to say: Neverwinter Nights 2 IS NOT the most fatally buggy game

 

[Vuljatar]

NWN 2 is seriously shit. It's performance is so unbelievably awful that it's borderline unplayable on all 3 computers I've tried it on.

And it's really just a slap in the face after the perfectly orgasmic supremacy of NWN 1.

 

[The Madman]

NWN 2 is seriously shit. It's performance is so unbelievably awful that it's borderline unplayable on all 3 computers I've tried it on.

And it's really just a slap in the face after the perfectly orgasmic supremacy of NWN 1.

What was so orgasmic about NWN1? I bought the game when it was released on the premise it was advertised as having an 'epic story of faith, love, and betrayal' etc etc. Never much interested in the multiplayer aspect, I trusted Bioware to deliver a solid singleplayer experience akin to its previous work Baldur's Gate.

You know what I was left with? A buggy game where I was limited to controlling one character through a lifeless, stilted world in pursuit of a story which frankly I never gave a damn about at the behest of characters I barely knew and never liked. Basically unless you were into the multiplayer NWN1 was a complete disappointment on nearly every level. Eventually the fan-campaign, expansions, and plethora of mods made the game extremely worthwhile, but on release? Pah! And though I thank Bioware for giving those modders the tools, I don't give them the credit for the user content I consider makes the game worthwhile.

Everyone seems to magically forget NWN1 was buggy as hell on release too and it's only after two expansions and dozens of patches it reached the state it's in now. Funny how that works.

NWN2 by contrast while I wouldn't call the OC great and I was left disappointed by it's ending, was at least entertaining to play and had some memorable moments. I was also happy to finally be controlling and meeting new characters again, much better than NWN1's stilted 'henchman' system. And Mask of the Betrayer, it's first expansion, is easily the high point in terms of official singleplayer content for the entire franchise. Meanwhile if I'm going to be praising NWN1 for it's mods and user content, I need to do the same with NWN2 which itself is nearly as robust. Misery Stone is amazing, as are the Planescape campaigns, Harp & Chrysanthemum, Asphyxia, and quite a few others! All very much worth playing!

I like NWN1, I'd even go so far as to say I've grown to love the game over the years thanks to its massive catalogue of fan content. But this 'NWN1 is perfection' stuff only makes me roll my eyes. Maybe if you were into the multiplayer, but for those expecting the hallmark Bioware storytelling it was a horrible disappointment on release only redeemed by Hordes of the Underdark and later fan content and support.

 

[Sampsa]

I don't really understand these NWN2 is buggy crap discussions. Only bug I've encountered was when Khelgar disappeared after warehouse mission in act I, but that was quickly fixed with google's help. Don't you people let the autopatcher do it's work, or something?

 

[mrhateful]

I've played the OC 5 or 6 times and never experienced any kind of bugs.

 

[veloper]

NWN 2 is seriously shit. It's performance is so unbelievably awful that it's borderline unplayable on all 3 computers I've tried it on.

And it's really just a slap in the face after the perfectly orgasmic supremacy of NWN 1.

Just disable the shadows ands some other crap. Gfx aren't the only thing in gaming (and if they are, play Crysis, not RPGs), so if you disable the broken gfx features, you'll have a game that will run.
Too bad it's still a game with a lame campaign. I still need to slog through it some day, so I can maybe appreciate the expansion, which is supposed to be good.

(edit: and NWN1 was shit, except for the second expansion and some fan made content)

 

[mrhateful]

Never was buggy for me, but I found Neverwinter Nights 2 terribly boring. I stopped playing a couple hours in, because the game wasn't getting any less linear, and the really long unskippable story sequences were bland, and even annoying. It's a game that placed story and characters above gameplay; something a game should never do (I dunno if that's just a feature of D&D games, since this is the only D&D style game I have ever played)

Noooo!!! all RPGs suck the first couple of hours, for instance Planescape torment sucked for like 10 hours, however once you get past that they become some of the greatest games you have ever played.

 

[mrhateful]

Too bad it's still a game with a lame campaign. I still need to slog through it some day, so I can maybe appreciate the expansion, which is supposed to be good.

It has one of the greatest campaigns ever created only beaten by Baldurs gate 2. The settings, the story, the flushed out characters all makes it very enjoyable, I know its characters are very focused on its class like the fighter likes to fight and the rogue loves to steal... However they aren't just an empty shell, they are interesting and evolve as the story continues.

 

[Cenequus]

Ok I haven't checked what they're selling on steam(hope OC+mask+zehir) but as today v1.23 the game has pretty much no issue reguarding crashes or anything tha can break the game play. The game is as refined an RPG with so many races/classes/skill can get and I only know of one combination of multi class that it's broken. Plus the amount of tools they gave us as always allowed the game to be very huge when it comes to persistent worlds and some have become real MMOs. Plus the innovations that each expansion brought were so huge that they could have as well been NWN3 and 4 but they gave them as expansions. I wouldn't say the game is under rated because I know I'm talking about people that would vote crap as Halo or COD as GOTY games but still the game is pretty much the best so far when it comes to party rpg games.

Sure the OC is just another chosen one story with everything moving around you the Knight Commander but which FR campaign isn't. Baldur's gate campaign told in a few lines seems a campaign written by a teenager(you're the son of a god...cool).Sure playing the game both NWN2 and BG is another thing.

 

[veloper]

Too bad it's still a game with a lame campaign. I still need to slog through it some day, so I can maybe appreciate the expansion, which is supposed to be good.

It has one of the greatest campaigns ever created only beaten by Baldurs gate 2. The settings, the story, the flushed out characters all makes it very enjoyable, I know its characters are very focused on its class like the fighter likes to fight and the rogue loves to steal... However they aren't just an empty shell, they are interesting that makes you want to play it through so you can get to learn more about them.

Bleh alright I'll try to get into playing NWN2 again.

 

[mrhateful]

Too bad it's still a game with a lame campaign. I still need to slog through it some day, so I can maybe appreciate the expansion, which is supposed to be good.

It has one of the greatest campaigns ever created only beaten by Baldurs gate 2. The settings, the story, the flushed out characters all makes it very enjoyable, I know its characters are very focused on its class like the fighter likes to fight and the rogue loves to steal... However they aren't just an empty shell, they are interesting that makes you want to play it through so you can get to learn more about them.

Bleh alright I'll try to get into playing NWN2 again.

Thank you! XD

 

[AlternatePFG]

NWN 2 is seriously shit. It's performance is so unbelievably awful that it's borderline unplayable on all 3 computers I've tried it on.

And it's really just a slap in the face after the perfectly orgasmic supremacy of NWN 1.

Too bad it's still a game with a lame campaign. I still need to slog through it some day, so I can maybe appreciate the expansion, which is supposed to be good.

Honestly, Act I of the main campaign is the biggest slog I've ever experienced in an RPG. A good portion of it is dungeon after dungeon after dungeon. Act II and III however have some really good parts to them, so it might be worth playing through the terrible first part for that. My favorite part is the trial in Act II.