New Doctor Who mini-episode "The Night of the Doctor" released today (hideous spoilers)

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DragonsAteMyMarbles

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Thought I'd point this out to you lovely people, since I only heard about it by chance on the radio in the car - the BBC have released a brief "minisode" (how I hate that term) which is a lead-in to the 50th anniversary special "The Day of the Doctor".

HORRIFYING SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN'T SEEN THE NAME OF THE DOCTOR, SERIOUSLY - watch this before clicking the lower of the spoilerboxes, for coherence's sake.

First off, PAUL MCGANN AS THE EIGHTH DOCTOR. Seriously, I didn't expect them to bring him back at all. Would have been nice if he'd been in the full episode, given that in my not-at-all-humble opinion he's actually a fantastic Doctor - the one good thing about that otherwise terrible straight-to-TV film, and does a damned fine job in the radio plays as well.
Speaking of, radio plays are apparently canon to the main Whoniverse, or at least the ones starring McGann; he namechecks Charley Pollard, C'rizz, Lucie Miller, Tamsin Drew and Molly O'Sullivan near the end, they were his companions in the Big Finish Audio productions.

It's interesting to note that the Doctor initially refused to fight in the Time War, opting instead to try to help people outside Time Lord business as he usually did - but this hasn't left him immune to the fallout, evidenced by Cass' refusal to let him save her simply because he's a Time Lord, who are seen as just as bad as the Daleks by the various casualties of war.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Doctor's revival from actual death by the Sisterhood of Karn (who haven't appeared onscreen in nearly 38 years [http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Brain_of_Morbius]) is what they'll use to handwave the Doctor regenerating again after Peter Capaldi's tenure finishes; given that Capaldi is playing the thirteenth incarnation of this particular Time Lord, which according to lore would ordinarily be the last time he could regenerate, they'll need some sort of explanation if they carry on. Maybe it'll have given him a new regeneration cycle or something, which would mean another eight Doctors to come after Capaldi.

It's nice to see that the Doctor's still quite nonchalant in the face of death ("Four minutes? That's ages - what if I get bored?"), though he quickly abandons that, for once choosing to become a more warlike individual with his next incarnation because apparently the Sisterhood can do that. Then again, so could the Time Lords [http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_War_Games].

That face in the mirror is a far younger John Hurt as well, which suggests there's still a lot of Time War to go before he ends it. Since the Tenth Doctor especially has referenced quite a few events in the Time War, this means he'll be around to see it... but those same references suggest that the War Doctor never entirely lost his Doctor-ness, notably trying to save Davros from the Nightmare Child and maintaining that ending the war in the way that he did was still the right thing to do, despite how horrific the act itself was.

TL, DR: 8th Doctor WOO, Time War bad, space magic, possibly an explanation for further Doctors, let me watch the episode already!

So, there are my musings. What do you think of the mini-episode-thingy?
(also do let me know if you think I'm talking out of my arse)
 

EscapeGoat_v1legacy

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I just saw this - absolutely love it! I'm so glad they brought Paul McGann back and gave his Doctor some closure, even if it was to regenerate into the War Doctor. I'm so looking forward to The Day of the Doctor and this has only made me more ready for it :D


DragonsAteMyMarbles said:
I wouldn't be surprised if the Doctor's revival from actual death by the Sisterhood of Karn (who haven't appeared onscreen in nearly 38 years [http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Brain_of_Morbius]) is what they'll use to handwave the Doctor regenerating again after Peter Capaldi's tenure finishes; given that Capaldi is playing the thirteenth incarnation of this particular Time Lord, which according to lore would ordinarily be the last time he could regenerate, they'll need some sort of explanation if they carry on. Maybe it'll have given him a new regeneration cycle or something, which would mean another eight Doctors to come after Capaldi.
I thought they were using the fact that

River gave her remaining regenerations to revive the Doctor

as a way of handwaving that. Well, either that or they're ignoring the limit, since it hasn't been mentioned at all in the new series (or for a long, long time at all for that matter). To be fair, either is as plausible as the other, I guess.

As for general other musings, this just makes me want a season or two devoted to Paul McGann's Doctor during the beginning of the Time War, the War Doctor during the Time War and/or Eccleston's Doctor coping with the aftermath pre-Rose.
 

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Nice, thanks for posting. Nice to see McGann as well. I agree that he made a good Doctor despite how terrible the movie was. It looks like they're really going to show the Time War which I hope will be cool, and actually show some of the Doctor's back story. I'm getting pretty excited for the anniversary episode.
 

Gwen Utopia

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This is great! I'm so stoked for the anniversary specail now. :D

I've never actually seen the eight doctor before, is he as good in the movie as he was in this? If so it might be worth watching...
 

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I don't think there is time after the war before he runs into Rose really. In the episode "Rose" he makes a comment about his new features and his teeth, he may have just regenerated, especially since he's still wearing the same outfit his war persona did.
 

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Gwen Utopia said:
This is great! I'm so stoked for the anniversary specail now. :D

I've never actually seen the eight doctor before, is he as good in the movie as he was in this? If so it might be worth watching...
He's pretty good at the audio dramas, he played a decent Doctor in the movie but the movie sucked big.

BabySinclair said:
I don't think there is time after the war before he runs into Rose really. In the episode "Rose" he makes a comment about his new features and his teeth, he may have just regenerated, especially since he's still wearing the same outfit his war persona did.
That's a point that confused me in "Rose", he acts like he just regenarate in the episode, but it shows he's been in places as the 9th Doctor before such as the Titanic sink. Time travel I guess...
 

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It was a great short. Really enjoyed McGann's performance and the origin of the War Doctor. And I also like it because when we first saw Hurt I was telling everyone that it was a reincarnation between the 8th and 9th Doctors (or maybe a changed face for some other reason) and everybody was telling me he was either the 0th or the 12th. I'm vindicated.
 

DragonsAteMyMarbles

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Ponyholder said:
Question, not very smart when it comes to Doctor Lore, but
If he transformed, wouldn't John Hurt be the 9th Doctor? Since this was induced from a strange liquid, does that mean this "regeneration" doesn't count?
Sort of. He's certainly the 9th incarnation of the Time Lord usually known as the Doctor - but the Doctor himself doesn't count that particular incarnation as worthy as being "The Doctor". He, as he is now, still considers himself the "eleventh Doctor", even if that isn't his eleventh face.

In other news, apparently yesterday was Paul McGann's 54th birthday. How about that.
 

Gizmo1990

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This made me both happy and sad. Happy because it was epic and sad because we will never get more Paul McGann as the Doctor on screen and a sad realisation that those 6 mins and 45 seconds gave me more enjoyment than the entirety of Matt Smith's run as The Doctor.

Anyway Moffat finaly did what I did not think he could ever do. He got me excited for the 50th anniversary. Tennent, Time Lord/Darlek war and John Hurt. Sing me up!