Hells yeah!anthony87 said:
I'm loving the look of this game. The combat is awesome. The game in general looks like what would have happened if Square Enix hadn't included Disney in Kingdom Hearts. Its like a cross of KH and FF7: Crisis Core.
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I'm loving the look of this game. The combat is awesome. The game in general looks like what would have happened if Square Enix hadn't included Disney in Kingdom Hearts. Its like a cross of KH and FF7: Crisis Core.
To those people saying multi platform never hurt anybody and that they hate exclusive games. Take a look at the quality of multi platform games and compare them to the likes of Uncharted 2 and various other exclusives for the PS3 and tell me the PS3 exclusives aren't way better in technical quality than multi platform titles or even 360 exclusive titles. I'm not against more people playing the game but, I hate it when no one ever seems to realise the damage that is done to a game when it goes to multiple platforms. I want this game exclusive because I want the best of the best and I'm not going to get it if it goes multi platform. If this all sounds selfish, I don't really care.
You a point there, but games can be on both systems without the product suffering, but it means that the versions shouldnt be developed at the same time, due to the coding differences for the PS3 and 360, the problem with that though, is that if one version is developed later then the designers might improve that version which could piss off people who bought the original, but critics might give it a bit of flak if they didnt add anything new :/Archangel768 said:
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Yeah. I agree that the game can be put on multiple systems without suffering. However, unfortunately most companies when making a game feel the need to make things equal in the content part of it. For example if an extra level could have fit on the blu ray disc but, then they find that the dvd on the other console version won't fit it in. They thing it's fair to not add it in at all. I would much prefer the people with the console that can have more content, get more content. That one of the reasons I like the PS3, if a game takes full advantage of it, it can be an awesome game. But I know a ton of games that have had worse graphics on the PS3 (Not an expert on hardware and development but, from what I've seen of games like Uncharted 2 and Heavy Rain compared to the graphics of Halo Reach, the first two were considerably more detailed than Reach) when they in reality should have been the better but, because the development team had to focus on multiple platforms, they weren't able to spend the time making it look as good as it could have. So I agree that games can still turn out awesome on multiple platforms but, from my observations, the platform that could have had "more" didn't because it was a multi platform game.The_Blue_Rider said:
The quality of what? The graphics?Archangel768 said:
According to the press the best game of 2010 was either Red Dead Redemption or Mass Effect 2, neither one of which is an exclusive game. Exclusives allow for better graphics sure, but really beyond that there's very little difference between going multi-platform and staying exclusive.
As for this game, the CGI looks fantastic yes, but the gameplay itself looks, to put it bluntly, laughably bad. If this is what people are getting excited about I'm amazed at how quickly peoples opinions can be swayed by pretty graphics. It just looks like a generic button-masher, the cursor didn't appear to leave the "attack" section on the menu to the left so I assume the player was doing nothing bar constantly hit it...how is that any different from FFXIII? Crisis Core, Kingdom Hearts 2 both had the same issue, what makes you think this is going to be any different?
Furthermore the camera looked awful, yes it's early doors [I guess] but when showing off your first footage making it look this bad is just a joke. There seems to be a bit of gameplay variety with the various mechs and third person shooting but again this is hardly new ground, Lost Planet did both of these gameplay sections in a larger environment than was shown in the trailer. The animations looked poor and were often overly dramatic, mixed in with the "cinematic" camera elements that took control from the player it seems to be once again all style over substance...
And the story was penned by the Kingdom Hearts team. That pretty much guarantees it's going to be complete shit with some Shakespeare concepts seemingly thrown in so the moronic fanbase can claim it's deep...
In all, I'm not impressed, it might help if I knew what they were saying but for me Final Fantasy Type-0 looks to be the most interesting out of the trio of games.
You do realise this is all our opinions right?D_987 said:
Before going into things, I apologise for it being so long and don't expect you to read it all.
To me, I thought the in game graphics were noticeably better than XIII (especially the outside environment) All the action events were much more fluent (as in things happened without fading to black while it shortly loads a new event like XIII did with a lot of cutscenes. Also, the missiles and other things crashing around them in other scenes are examples of things happening seamlessly similar in a way to the events in Uncharted 2) than anything XIII showed me. Also, you used Mass Effect 2 and Red Dead Redemption as examples of games without perfect graphics being highly praised, again this is opinion from other people, those games had no real appeal to me (I only played Mass Effect 2 for a bit and it was somewhat fun but again, nothing spectacular to me personally). Also, the scenario writer for versus XIII is my favourite for Final Fantasy, he did 7, 8, 10 and Crisis Core and the Kingdom Hearts games. I personally haven't played much of Kingdom Hearts however, I was quite interested in them and their stories (again I haven't played much of the Kingdom Hearts games so I don't know the whole picture when it comes to the series) Many people seem to pass off the stories of the Final Fantasy games as being lame and trying too hard to be deep and dramatic as it seems you do (your shakespeare comment) however, I have found them to be the most amazing stories I have seen in video games. If it wasn't for the Final Fantasy series, I wouldn't actually have as much respect for story telling in video games as I do now. Perhaps the story telling doesn't suit your taste because they are Japanese games and from what I've experienced (which is a fair bit of japanese media in the games and animation department) They do tell stories in very different ways which I can understand as just coming off as weird to someone that isn't into them. An popular example is a lot of people say that characters like Noctis looks girly and emo and various characters from final fantasy and anime in general however I actually like those kinds of character designs maybe because I am used to it.
Personally the action looked fun, of course we both haven't played it so we don't know if it is really like what you say it is. I also enjoyed the camera angles, I saw nothing majorly wrong with them, perhaps some being a bit awkward. The animations to me were perfectly acceptable and from what I could see (I admit, the video being so bad quality made it hard for me to really know how good they were) seemed more refined than XIII. Also the fact that other games have had similar gameplay things to it before (like your example of Lost Planet) does not mean it is bad. People called Castlevania Lords of Shadows a rip off of other hack and slash games, I still enjoyed it a lot. Being a copy or similar to something else does not mean it won't be fun. About it being purely pressing one button to attack, we haven't seen what the whole game has to offer, there were a number of spells being thrown around sometimes that you or the A.I. might have to use. Maybe we will use it ourselves when playing the game? Again, neither of us really know, we also don't know if they were playing very seriously, they may have been just trying to make some footage for the trailer.
Being exclusive doesn't just mean better graphics, it could mean a whole lot of content. For example, I'd like it if the game came with the english and japanese voices, I remember reading an interview asking the team that did XIII if it was going to have it and I remember them saying it wouldn't fit on the DVD format so neither versions of the game would have it (this is old memories and I could actually being remembering it quite differently) Even if that interview was different to how I remembered it, there is still the possibility of that being the case for many games. Also having extra areas and other things in which to explore and do may have been cut out because they couldn't fit it on the DVD. There was news that XIII had a lot of content cut from it, however they never said why, it may have been because of the 360 version, however it may not of been.
Anyway, what I'm trying to say is, this game looks awesome to me (not JUST in the graphics department) and again I must state that both of our opinions are purely based off a trailer and we have no idea what the final game might be. What you saw as trash in the trailer, I saw it as awesome. Also, a multi platform game can be awesome, I am not saying I can't enjoy a game if it's on multiple platforms, I just like it if a game had the most potential in every department of it's development especially when it comes to the Final Fantasy series seeing how it is such an important series to me and I want each game to be the best it can.
Sorry if my reply seemed as though I was angry or anything else like that because it wasn't meant to sound that way. I was just stating that what I saw, I liked, which is obviously from your post is much different to the way you feel about it.
I'm really looking forward this than FF13, but it'll be a d@mn shame if it was only PS3 since I have a 360 which I hope it does go multi-platform and becomes available for it. Also, can't watch the trailer since it looks like it has been taken down.
After watching the Subbed Trailer
~Noctis really does act like Nomura said he would, he acts all 'I don't care about anything' with Stella when he's alone but the moment he starts chatting with the party in battle he's like "Did you see what I just did? I'm FUCKING AWESOME!" So a lot more cheerful, open, and a bit goofy.
~You get to pilot giant mechs, what more do you people WANT?!
~You can swap party members in an instant, they each fight differently, such as Prompto (the shotgun guy) fighting in a third person shooter mode, while Noctis fights action style
~The 5 other commands besides 'Action' which is always selected are Magic, Item, Summon, and Ex-Arts
~It seems like the plot revolves around the current king (Noctis Father?) arranging an attack on his own kingdom and having the crystal stolen, wanting to be known as 'The Last King' however a line in the trailer (on the screen) talks about 'The Last Kings Love' Noctis meanwhile is not one to sit around twiddling his thumbs, saying that he's going to get it back while hacking his way through soldiers. His retainers Ignis (Glasses guy) Gladious (Scar face) and Prompto are quick to point out that while he is impressive and powerful, not enough to take on a nation, to which Noctis responds (basically) "Bullshit dude I'm SLAUGHTERING these fuckers! did you not see how I just smashed that tank?"
I can't fucking wait for Versus
~Noctis really does act like Nomura said he would, he acts all 'I don't care about anything' with Stella when he's alone but the moment he starts chatting with the party in battle he's like "Did you see what I just did? I'm FUCKING AWESOME!" So a lot more cheerful, open, and a bit goofy.
~You get to pilot giant mechs, what more do you people WANT?!
~You can swap party members in an instant, they each fight differently, such as Prompto (the shotgun guy) fighting in a third person shooter mode, while Noctis fights action style
~The 5 other commands besides 'Action' which is always selected are Magic, Item, Summon, and Ex-Arts
~It seems like the plot revolves around the current king (Noctis Father?) arranging an attack on his own kingdom and having the crystal stolen, wanting to be known as 'The Last King' however a line in the trailer (on the screen) talks about 'The Last Kings Love' Noctis meanwhile is not one to sit around twiddling his thumbs, saying that he's going to get it back while hacking his way through soldiers. His retainers Ignis (Glasses guy) Gladious (Scar face) and Prompto are quick to point out that while he is impressive and powerful, not enough to take on a nation, to which Noctis responds (basically) "Bullshit dude I'm SLAUGHTERING these fuckers! did you not see how I just smashed that tank?"
I can't fucking wait for Versus
Different strokes for different folks. Some people actually enjoyed the gameplay in Kingdom Hearts.D_987 said:
Just because it doesn't create an entirely new gameplay experience doesn't mean that it's bad. Lost Odyssey wasn't the most original game gameplay wise, even with the Ring System. And I thought the camera was decent enough, but that's just me.
I thought it was rather fluid. I wouldn't expect a person of Noctis' build to only slightly flinch when being ravaged by a group of monsters.
Well Kingdom Hearts was never supposed to be a realistic game. Final Fantasy XIII(if we're to believe that the trailers are honest) should be a more realistic game. I never really enjoyed the Kingdom Hearts way of storytelling myself, but I'm still going to remain cautiously optimistic about the storyline of this game, simply because it's supposed to have a more realistic setting than other games.
Well, I don't know if it's accurate, but there's a translation right here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqWBd6J_k2c
Pretty much, I really don't need a diagnosis of my opinion on a gameplay trailer - that's my opinion. It's interesting how I'm quoted and basically told I'm wrong , or at least, people bounce their opinions off my own simply because we disagree. I didn't read Archangel768's reply bar the first line [small][Really if you're going to quote someone it's best not to start off with "I apologize for it being so long and don't expect you to read it all.", because I won't read any of it just to be immature and spiteful][/small] and I found this reply to be bemusing [small][bar the translated video which to be honest only made me realize how bad the dialogue in this game appears to be][/small] simply because you pretty much tell me other people have different opinions and then proceed to try and defend the game...Defense said:
I know, I just don't have any faith in the team making the game. Maybe it's because I'm a fan of the older Final Fantasy games, and traditional JRPG's but everything related to Nomura [Kingdom Hearts, Crisis Core] has been watered down to the point of hack and slash, with terrible story-lines, but for some reason people seem to love them. I defiantly believe these games appeal to the lowest common denominator [Kingdom Hearts is, after all, a series designed primarily to sell Disney products in Japan, and Crisis Core another cash in on Final Fantasy 7] but as you say, different strokes for different people.
I state this so you see the point of view my opinion is coming from. I view Lost Odyssey as the best JRPG this generation easily so it's not that I don't see lack of innovation as an issue, I just think the hype for this game has been massive for far to long, for no real reason.
And I disagree about the camera, it's not even a case of the character being attacked and being pushed back I mean in pretty much every section of gameplay bar simply running [bar the cinematic section during which the player runs into the camera] looks awkward - camera wise.
I like the look of the game, probably going to pick it up when it eventually comes out. Final Fantasy Type Zero also looks good almost like a successor to Crisis Core in it's gameplay.
Actually, I completely agree with this, not that I disagree with your other points. I honestly don't know why people think this is the second coming, because even now the public knows almost nothing about a game that's been developed for so long.D_987 said:
http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/ffxiii-versus-2011-trailer/354412Figrut said:
Also D you gotta understand, after XIII and XIV? it may not be the second coming of christ but it's a genuinely good looking (as in playable) game. Sure Versus may not break any foundations in video game history, but it breaks a lot of ground for Final Fantasy, and again after XIII and XIV? this is a breathe of fresh air.
People aren't orgasming because it looks like 'THE GREATEST GAME EVER MADE' there orgasming because it doesn't look shit. And it's hardly shown off. We've got magic, summons and Ex-Arts unexplored, Party member swapping on the fly aleviates one of the issues FFXII had (and I love FFXII)
So yeah.
