Is anything ever really necessary? That's quite a powerful word.Ironwampa said:WTF is this game supposed to be about that trailer tells us nothing and the nudity in the trailer isn't necessary.
Yeah, but the 'playing' is essentially just watching cutscenes except you press buttons to decide which direction the cutscenes go in... >_>Cleril said:There are no cutscenes though, you play the entire time.![]()
That hasn't stopped a lot of other story-heavy games from demonstration why their story will be interesting, even ones that have big twists/surprises.Jumplion said:The problem with a game like Heavy Rain, a game that is so heavily centered around storytelling and choices, it's very difficult to show a scene without ruining the story itself. If they talked too much about the story, then a lot of it is spoiled since it's a murder mystery surrounded by your choices of what you are doing.
I'm afraid that's just as broken a definition of "mature" as buckets of blood. For starters, boring the audience is one of the fastest ways to pull them out of a story, not a way to create immersion.And Heavy Rain is 100x more "mature" than most games out there, which by their definition of "mature" means buckets of blood, swear words, and boobies. While tieing a tie for your boss doesn't seem that great, it brings you that much closer to the character your playing, making you believe that you are him, that you are working for their interested, and that you will be sorry if they die.
The script for Heavy Rain is over 2000 pages long, make that of what you will. But aside from that, this game tackles issues like child death, drug abuse/addiction, home invasion, vigilantism, rape, murder, etc... While that doesn't guarantee that Heavy Rain will be more "mature", it does give a brief insight of what "mature themes" it's putting out.BloodSquirrel said:I'm afraid that's just as broken a definition of "mature" as buckets of blood. For starters, boring the audience is one of the fastest ways to pull them out of a story, not a way to create immersion.
Second, actual good writing means being able to develop themes, characters, and ideas while entertaining the audience at the same time. People who think that it's ok for a movie have long, boring parts because it's trying to be "mature" are just trying to inflate their own egos by pretending to have more "advanced" tastes than other people.
Maturity comes from things like having complex themes and ideas and deep characterization. Not being stolid, humorless, and mundane.
Now that is taking things completely out of context. Those were 2 seconds of tits where the woman goes into the shower, that's it, hardly something to go "Oh look, tits! We're mature!" about. It's not something like GTA4's DLC where you see the mayor's wang only for the SHOCK value of "OMG, PENUS!" in a game, it's about as much nudity as a PG-13 sitcom.Even Gears of War had demonstrated more genuinely mature storytelling in it's pre-release material than Heavy Rain, which is relying entirely on "Well, we don't have blood, so that must make us mature! Oh, and look, tits!"
That's like saying Ninja Gaiden "tackles issues like losing your family, revenge, and the military industrial complex". We know that Heavy Rain has some of those things happen in the game. That's different than there being any discernible theme attached to them, let alone ones well-realized enough to consider it "mature".Jumplion said:The script for Heavy Rain is over 2000 pages long, make that of what you will. But aside from that, this game tackles issues like child death, drug abuse/addiction, home invasion, vigilantism, rape, murder, etc... While that doesn't guarantee that Heavy Rain will be more "mature", it does give a brief insight of what "mature themes" it's putting out.
Two seconds of tits that just happened to make it into the trailer.Now that is taking things completely out of context. Those were 2 seconds of tits where the woman goes into the shower, that's it, hardly something to go "Oh look, tits! We're mature!" about. It's not something like GTA4's DLC where you see the mayor's wang only for the SHOCK value of "OMG, PENUS!" in a game, it's about as much nudity as a PG-13 sitcom.
I said before, I could be completely wrong, who knows what Heavy Rain will be like. But hey, if it fails it fails, and if it succeeds then it could pave way for even more interactivity within games.
I'll bring nationality into this, it's Polish, maybe the Polish are less uptight with nudity than America. Quantic Dream is a French developer, I don't think the French are as uptight with nudity as America. Just something to think about, don't know if that makes any point, but hey, just popped in my head.BloodSquirrel said:Two seconds of tits that just happened to make it into the trailer.
I'll bring marketing into this- if something gets put into a trailer, it gets put there for a reason, PG-13 sitcom or not. Nothing is merely incidental.Jumplion said:I'll bring nationality into this, it's Polish, maybe the Polish are less uptight with nudity than America. Quantic Dream is a French developer, I don't think the French are as uptight with nudity as America. Just something to think about, don't know if that makes any point, but hey, just popped in my head.
As I said, the nudity in the trailer is that of a trailer for a PG-13 sitcom, no big deal. It's nothing like the jiggle physics in "Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2".