New "Missing link" for evolution!

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Seydaman

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recently a new fossil was shown to the public, here is a photo

scientists are saying that they are very close to proving evolution, it was found by a research team and kept secret for two years before being released to the public.

here is the article from national geographic

may 19, 2009?Meet "Ida," the small "missing link" found in Germany that's created a big media splash and will likely continue to make waves among those who study human origins.

In a new book, documentary, and promotional Web site, paleontologist Jorn Hurum, who led the team that analyzed the 47-million-year-old fossil seen above, suggests Ida is a critical missing-link species in primate evolution (interactive guide to human evolution from National Geographic magazine).

(Among the team members was University of Michigan paleontologist Philip Gingerich, a member of the Committee for Research and Exploration of the National Geographic Society, which owns National Geographic News.)

The fossil, he says, bridges the evolutionary split between higher primates such as monkeys, apes, and humans and their more distant relatives such as lemurs.

"This is the first link to all humans," Hurum, of the Natural History Museum in Oslo, Norway, said in a statement. Ida represents "the closest thing we can get to a direct ancestor."

Ida, properly known as Darwinius masillae, has a unique anatomy. The lemur-like skeleton features primate-like characteristics, including grasping hands, opposable thumbs, clawless digits with nails, and relatively short limbs.

"This specimen looks like a really early fossil monkey that belongs to the group that includes us," said Brian Richmond, a biological anthropologist at George Washington University in Washington, D.C., who was not involved in the study.

But there's a big gap in the fossil record from this time period, Richmond noted. Researchers are unsure when and where the primate group that includes monkeys, apes, and humans split from the other group of primates that includes lemurs.

"[Ida] is one of the important branching points on the evolutionary tree," Richmond said, "but it's not the only branching point."

At least one aspect of Ida is unquestionably unique: her incredible preservation, unheard of in specimens from the Eocene era, when early primates underwent a period of rapid evolution. (Explore a prehistoric time line.)

"From this time period there are very few fossils, and they tend to be an isolated tooth here or maybe a tailbone there," Richmond explained. "So you can't say a whole lot of what that [type of fossil] represents in terms of evolutionary history or biology."

In Ida's case, scientists were able to examine fossil evidence of fur and soft tissue and even picked through the remains of her last meal: fruits, seeds, and leaves.

What's more, the newly described "missing link" was found in Germany's Messel Pit. Ida's European origins are intriguing, Richmond said, because they could suggest?contrary to common assumptions?that the continent was an important area for primate evolution.
source:http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/05/090519-missing-link-found.html
 

gigastrike

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Cuuuuuute!

Ok, seriously, this is pretty interesting. What was it encased in that preserved it so well?
 

damselgaming

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If it's true then yessssss! Creationists can FINALLY retire.

EDIT: This was a just a whimsical comment. I thought I'd mention this before there's anymore parade raining-on.
 

fenrizz

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nicole1207 said:
If it's true then yessssss! Creationists can FINALLY retire.
I'm pretty sure they'll never retire...
Most creationist arguments I have heard are either factually wrong, or they just plain deny the evidence for evolution.

EDIT: also, Norwegian scientists found it! Yey for Norway:)
 

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nicole1207 said:
If it's true then yessssss! Creationists can FINALLY retire.
Nope, they'll just resort to the "coincidence" argument everyone falls to when there is no 100% proving their point.
 

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Yea!!!!!!! Creationists can finally shut the fuck up!

Oh wait I forgot, they never shut up, no matter how many pieces of evidence you smack 'em in the face with, they're still gonna argue that they are right.
 

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fenrizz said:
nicole1207 said:
If it's true then yessssss! Creationists can FINALLY retire.
I'm pretty sure they'll never retire...
Most creationist arguments I have heard are either factually wrong, or they just plain deny the evidence for evolution.
You don't need to tell me, I had one come to the door a few weeks ago whos argument started with "But if there's no god- how do you explain these flowers?". My reply- "Um... photosynthesis... or the fact that I planted them... right there." Then I proceeded to slam the door.
 

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nicole1207 said:
If it's true then yessssss! Creationists can FINALLY retire.
Scientific evidence has never had any influence over creationism. I'm sure they'll claim it's fake or something. According to them the homo saphien and iceman skeletons where "put in the ground by the devil to confuse you"
 

fenrizz

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nicole1207 said:
fenrizz said:
nicole1207 said:
If it's true then yessssss! Creationists can FINALLY retire.
I'm pretty sure they'll never retire...
Most creationist arguments I have heard are either factually wrong, or they just plain deny the evidence for evolution.
You don't need to tell me, I had one come to the door a few weeks ago whos argument started with "But if there's no god- how do you explain these flowers?". My reply- "Um... photosynthesis... or the fact that I planted them... right there." Then I proceeded to slam the door.
you're joking?
Damn, I'd be pissed if any of them (insert profanity here) came knocking on my door.
Nothing pisses me more off than ignorance and blind faith!
 

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Wow, as of writing there's 13 posts and it's already religious.

Anyway, good. I really hope it's legitimate because it'd be a huge plus for science.

(See, that was a more subtle dig at religion.)
 

damselgaming

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fenrizz said:
nicole1207 said:
fenrizz said:
nicole1207 said:
If it's true then yessssss! Creationists can FINALLY retire.
I'm pretty sure they'll never retire...
Most creationist arguments I have heard are either factually wrong, or they just plain deny the evidence for evolution.
You don't need to tell me, I had one come to the door a few weeks ago whos argument started with "But if there's no god- how do you explain these flowers?". My reply- "Um... photosynthesis... or the fact that I planted them... right there." Then I proceeded to slam the door.
you're joking?
Damn, I'd be pissed if any of them (insert profanity here) came knocking on my door.
Nothing pisses me more off than ignorance and blind faith!
... and the waste of trees due to their retarded leaflets they try and hand out. It's one of 2 big downsides to livingnear a church, the other being the bloody loud bell. I actually have a friend who likes to see how many times he can slip in the words 'big bang' to a conversation when one comes a'knockin'. Example "Hey- you made a big bang on my front door."
 

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H.R.Shovenstuff said:
Suck on it, Christians!!!!
im ubberly offended. im catholic and i believe in creationism WITH WITH evolution. why cant they exist together? in peace and harmony bla bla bla
 

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Oh, crap. They named it Ida. Greaaaat. Now I'm going to have to avoid hearing about it for private reasons.

In another note, very interesting. I hope they find more.