New Prometheus trailer (here be rage)

[JesterRaiin]

Thats under the impression they makes changes to the original(like george lucas does) but this is a new film. Some people do add woob woob woob woob woob to beethovens 5th but they are remixing it into a new song and nobody considers it the original. This tech will be original to prometheus and isnt editing alien, but if alien were to be remade or rebooted it should have this new tech. That way it will actually look futuristic and you can keep your original that you hold so fucking dear.

This movie is never going to feel completely at home as Alien's prequel, because it's being made 40+ years afterward; The landscape of cinema has changed. We can't return to that initial 70's grit of the first film, because it's no longer the 70's.

Please allow me to answer with the same argument :
New film ? No longer 70's ? Then what's the reason to re-use the setting, creatures and other elements ? Why prequel instead of sequel ? Why stylize it after original "Alien" and call it "not Alien" ?

 

[CODE-D]

Thats under the impression they makes changes to the original(like george lucas does) but this is a new film. Some people do add woob woob woob woob woob to beethovens 5th but they are remixing it into a new song and nobody considers it the original. This tech will be original to prometheus and isnt editing alien, but if alien were to be remade or rebooted it should have this new tech. That way it will actually look futuristic and you can keep your original that you hold so fucking dear.

This movie is never going to feel completely at home as Alien's prequel, because it's being made 40+ years afterward; The landscape of cinema has changed. We can't return to that initial 70's grit of the first film, because it's no longer the 70's.

Please allow me to answer with the same argument :
New film ? No longer 70's ? Then what's the reason to re-use the setting, creatures and other elements ? Why prequel instead of sequel ? Why stylize it after original "Alien" and call it "not Alien" ?

Theyre using different creatures and there have been sequels to alien and they arent that good.
Also people like the update, you may not, get over it.

 

[Casual Shinji]

This movie is never going to feel completely at home as Alien's prequel, because it's being made 40+ years afterward; The landscape of cinema has changed. We can't return to that initial 70's grit of the first film, because it's no longer the 70's.

Please allow me to answer with the same argument :
New film ? No longer 70's ? Then what's the reason to re-use the setting, creatures and other elements ? Why prequel instead of sequel ? Why stylize it after original "Alien" and call it "not Alien" ?

You're misunderstanding what I'm saying.

What it comes down to is that Alien was made with a 70's mindset and sensibility, and Prometheus is made with a post 2000 mindset. By that definition alone the new prequel will feel very different; That's basically the curse of almost every prequel. You can bet that The Hobbit will probably suffer a bit from this problem as well, despite not too much time having past since Lord of the Rings.

But even with this in mind, I think Prometheus looks very intune with the first film. This is because a lot of the designs look similar yet snazzy; The Prometheus spaceship has a lot of corners and squares in its design, the bubble dome space suits, the lunar rover-esque ground vehicles.

But the movie won't have that 70's sensibility about it, because it wasn't made in the 70's.

And try to keep this in the back of your head; It's a prequel, but we don't know how much time before Alien this is taking place. In Alien, when they get to the Space Jockey, they say it's been dead a long time, it's fosilized and grown out of the chair. And that Space Jockey makes his living appearance in Prometheus. So who knows how big the chronological time span is between these two movies.

 

[JesterRaiin]

Theyre using different creatures and there have been sequels to alien and they arent that good.
Also people like the update, you may not, get over it.

I'm a human being, i have the right to express my mind in the way i see fit. I can, i will, get over it.

What it comes down to is that Alien was made with a 70's mindset and sensibility, and Prometheus is made with a post 2000 mindset. By that definition alone the new prequel will feel very different; That's basically the curse of almost every prequel. You can bet that The Hobbit will probably suffer a bit from this problem as well, despite not too much time having past since Lord of the Rings.

I understand that, but it doesn't mean i agree with that artistic vision. ;]
It's like i said before : if there's no way to skip the technological leap, then why create prequel instead of sequel ? The scenario wouldn't change that much - in the case of "Prometheus" it's the matter of details after all...

 

[Casual Shinji]

What it comes down to is that Alien was made with a 70's mindset and sensibility, and Prometheus is made with a post 2000 mindset. By that definition alone the new prequel will feel very different; That's basically the curse of almost every prequel. You can bet that The Hobbit will probably suffer a bit from this problem as well, despite not too much time having past since Lord of the Rings.

I understand that, but it doesn't mean i agree with that artistic vision. ;]
It's like i said before : if there's no way to skip the technological leap, then why create prequel instead of sequel ? The scenario wouldn't change that much - in the case of "Prometheus" it's the matter of details after all...

Because the Alien franchise has become a ridiculous pile of steamy nonsense. And there's nothing a sequel could do to rectify that, it would only add to it.

But the franchise is to big of a money pot to ignore either. So the only way to make another movie with some real credibility to it is to totally ignore all the bullcrap from the last two films. Making it a prequel is one way to do that.

 

[CODE-D]

Theyre using different creatures and there have been sequels to alien and they arent that good.
Also people like the update, you may not, get over it.

I'm a human being, i have the right to express my mind in the way i see fit. I can, i will, get over it.

What it comes down to is that Alien was made with a 70's mindset and sensibility, and Prometheus is made with a post 2000 mindset. By that definition alone the new prequel will feel very different; That's basically the curse of almost every prequel. You can bet that The Hobbit will probably suffer a bit from this problem as well, despite not too much time having past since Lord of the Rings.

I understand that, but it doesn't mean i agree with that artistic vision. ;]
It's like i said before : if there's no way to skip the technological leap, then why create prequel instead of sequel ? The scenario wouldn't change that much - in the case of "Prometheus" it's the matter of details after all...

Well thats worth nothing and the film is how I want it to be so....theres really nothin to say.

 

[DANEgerous]

I have to say this is just a problem with prequels, I mean in the story it is the future and in the future of that universe (In aliens) all the starships look like they are from our past (in outer words they look like real life space shuttles of the last decade) so in Prometheus they need to look worse than Alien. Notice the problem?

If they do this it is still better technology in the past. as in our real world tech you in I currently own components of (none of us have a star ship... do we?)do not exist in the future.


Still not getting it? Okay so 2 universes Our and theirs.

In real world 2012 we have touch screen phones that have all kind of insane apps an powerful tools. In Alien universe 2012 they have phone that look like a wireless land line from 1995 but work they way a cellphone does. No texting exists, no apps, no tools it is just a phone it likely can not fit in your pocket and is compared to what really exist in real life 2012 is utter shit and yet we are supposed to be in the future.

Think about how tech has advanced in the early days if video games you had a console about twice the side of my laptop that only played games on cartage with no save feature, now that system fits on the palm of you hand hold it entire fucking library and had a GPS, Clock, Radio, Phone and a few game from the next systems after it. I mean FUCK that used to take 3 systems to do and only a single game per cartage each pushed to their limit of technology now in something half the size of one cartage yet contain they entire system all the games, they system after it, its games and the system after that and it's games.

 

[Frozen Fox]

I have to say this is just a problem with prequels, I mean in the story it is the future and in the future of that universe (In aliens) all the starships look like they are from our past (in outer words they look like real life space shuttles of the last decade) so in Prometheus they need to look worse than Alien. Notice the problem?

If they do this it is still better technology in the past. as in our real world tech you in I currently own components of (none of us have a star ship... do we?)do not exist in the future.


Still not getting it? Okay so 2 universes Our and theirs.

In real world 2012 we have touch screen phones that have all kind of insane apps an powerful tools. In Alien universe 2012 they have phone that look like a wireless land line from 1995 but work they way a cellphone does. No texting exists, no apps, no tools it is just a phone it likely can not fit in your pocket and is compared to what really exist in real life 2012 is utter shit and yet we are supposed to be in the future.

This, kind of how some aspect of our lives have surpassed the first era Star Trek. Sadly we will always have better tech in the past it appears. By the way any one know when Alien or Prometheus is set? I mean Imagen if it is 2200 and the ships look like they do or worse than in Alien, does that sound reasonable? No

 

[Thaluikhain]

Hey Jester.

So I know that it's been kind of hammered that there's a technological difference in the ships due to one being a mining vessel vs. the other being an exploration vehicle. However there's a much better answer to this that actually makes sense if you think about it.

We're not actually entirely sure that the Prometheus was build prior to the Nostromo. If we look at it, the Nostromo was built to haul cargo from Thedus back to Earth. We also know that it was on it's way back from Thedus when it ran into Archeron LV-426. The Prometheus, from what we can gather from the trailer was headed directly to Archeron LV-426.

We can infer from the Tech. on the Prometheus that it is most likely a more sophisticated ship technologically. Speed could be an outcome of the better technology.

So it is possible that this list of events could have occurred.

1) Nostromo is commissioned and launched, destination being Thedus for mining operations
Decades pass
2) Archaeological breakthrough mentioned in Prometheus trailer
3) Prometheus is commissioned and launched, destination being Archeron LV-426.

Edit: oOOoo 999 posts.
3.1) Nostromo arrives at Thedus and beings mining operations
Years pass
4) Prometheus arrives (Events of Prometheus Movie occur)
5) Nostromo completes mining operations and begins trip home
30 years passes
6) Nostromo receives distress beacon and redirects navigation to Archeron LV-426.
7) Events in Alien occur
57 Years Pass
8) Aliens

So it's possible for a technologically inferior ship to still be in service while a more technologically sophisticated ship is just getting built.

Er, what? The Nostromo was out there for decades with the same crew? That's not what happened, surely. Ripley had a twelve year old daughter back on Earth. Sure, they go into suspended animation and can last that way for decades, but they aren't supposed to be asleep anywhere near that long.

 

[Forgetitnow344]

I'm just a little pissed they spoiled the whole plot in the trailer. No point in watching it now.

Exactly this. From the trailer, we see...

Spoiler

The Prometheus was sent to discover stuff, they discovered mean Aliens who tried to come to Earth, their goal is now to stop Earth. We watch several main characters die and we know that one girl has an Alien in her at some point.

I deeply regret watching that trailer.

 

[ImSkeletor]

I don't really care about that and the movie is directed by Ridley Scott. Imo Ridley has never made a film I didn't like so there is no chance in hell that im going to skip out on this movie.

 

[ImSkeletor]

I bet this will be the ship that was found in Alien or the other ship those creatures are trying to get off the planet with. It will have the birth of Alien at the end or will lead to it.

Yeah, the trailer heavily heavily implies that's what's going down. It's particuarly frustrating because the original Alien trailer was awesome because it gave nothing about the movie away:


I mean, it's a zoom out of a thing you realise is an egg, then a series of people running down dark corridors scared out of their wits, theres mayhem, screaming, a cat, and suddenly you zoom out to see the stunning view of the spaceship floating across a planet with the chilling tagline "In space no one can hear you scream. You feel then just how completely isolated, completely alone, with no help coming, no escape routes, it's the perfect trap.

That single ending visual sums up everything you'll ever need to know about creating an atmosphere

We can be really quick to criticise professionals, but sometimes it seems like they don't have a clue. Advertising people, don't give away the entire plot and twists of your horror thriller in the trailer you braindead buffoons!

I honestly don't have a problem with the Prometheus trailer. But I do think its a nice touch that they are using the same lettering and music from the original Alien trailer. (I had never seen the original Alien trailer until you posted)

 

[Pegghead]

Half the fun of sci-fi movies is seeing the creators run wild with designs for future technology based upon modern (at the time) technology and aesthetics. And you wanna take that away because it wouldn't be in-keeping with a film that's 30 years old?

 

[Skoldpadda]

Why is everyone saying that this movie comes 40+ years after Alien? Alien came out in 1979. That's 33 years ago. I know that's not the point and I'm being nitpicky.

 

[gorfias]

Odd that the main corporate type appears to be a woman. The Alien movies were supposedly a metaphor for male aggression. (The Alien implants it's off-spring to a host, the off spring kill the host. The first one to burst out of John Hurt even looked like a woody.

 

[CAPTCHA]

I'm with the OP. The new edgy tech ruins the tone. The original film used its tech to subvert the future. It wasn't showing us as a enlightened spacefairing race and we weren't all powerful thanks to the wonders of technology. We were reliant on that technology however. It was the only thing that that could keep the crew of the ship alive, yet it wasn't enough to save them from the alien. No level of technology could, that was where the horror came from (as well as the rape horror). If the alien race they found at the beginning, who was so advanced it was more tech than man couldn't beat the creature, what chance did the crew have. The same logic can be applied to the second film as well, but here trust in the strength of the military and the higher authority is thrown into the mix.

The trailer for Prometheus shows all these gadgets and examples of future tech and the message it sends is "we've progressed". How far have they progressed? Who knows? You might as well start calling it magic, since the director will be able to pull any in a situation to get the cast through. Deadly space monster ripping through your bulkhead? There's an app for that.

 

[AngleWyrm]

I might just pay real money to see this movie in a theatre. It looks like they worked hard on making it both pretty and atmospheric.

Plot? Well you know, we go and we find bad monsters. Just like that world famous horror movie, Alien.

Characters? Little early to tell.

 

[the clockmaker]

Personally, I love the new look, as the use of tech that is concievable to the time of the audiance really helps to ground the people in the world. The sterile, clean world also lends itself well to the sort of primal survivalism that pervades the alien series. Think about it for a moment, when you look at the way the whole premise is set up, the prometheus is very much a product of our time, it is staffed by the best and brightest and is sent on a mission to discover the new and exciting parts of the universe.

Now take that and lay it into the way that science is progressing now. We are cushioned by our comfertable lives and the franly amazing tech that supports us. We, think that there is nothing that our science cannot overcome, no problem that we can't simply puzzle out. When you introduce the alien into the mix it and those sterile walls become streaked with blood it can be effective in smashing that delusion of safety by showing that all these amazing things are nothing in the face of the truely unknowable.

When I watch this trailer, I pretty much see a movie version of an Alistair Reynolds novel with all the inhibitor, blood spire, melding plague and clockmaker horror that that holds.

Or you know, things like plot, characterisation, themeatic underpinning, direction, scripting and soundtrack could be irrelevent in the face of the set dressing.