New Starship Troopers film

[Da Orky Man]

It seems their doing it more faithfully to the book this time:


Yeah, I know the video came out in March, but I've only just heard of it.

So... any comments? Think an animated film will work? How were the last three Starship Trooper movies? Will you watch this one? Who wins: Space Marines, Mobile Infantry or Spartans?

Anything?

 

[manaman]

The book. Well I liked the book.

Problem is the book isn't for everyone. The book has an ultra conservative message, but not the religious based intolerance message of the deep south, or the anti big government message of the northern midwest, it's not even the racial based intolerance of the southern midwest. All of these are messages people associate with conservatism, but really those are not conservationism anymore than socialist nanny state is the ultimate liberal ideal.

I'm not really sure the message could appeal to anyone that was born after 1950. Because that is what it preaches, conformity, service, and patriotism with a mix of class based system that you are forced to work to attain. There are core values that are beat (sometimes literally) into people, and life is slightly devalued. I mean just take a second to think about what the bugs represent, a collective workforce, mindless and dangerous, it is supposed to be the opposite message, and it is a nearly unthinking evil in the book.

I really liked the first movie. It was never intended to be taken seriously. It was over the top action paired with a parody of the conservative message in the book. Think back on the movie, now imagine if all those tongue in cheek bits that where presented as "public service announcements" where presented in a way you where supposed to take seriously. That's how staying faithful to the book would be.

You can't tell any of this from the preview, so best of luck will be if it drops any social message and just has a bunch of power armored space marines killing some bugs.

 

[Hal10k]

The book. Well I liked the book.

Problem is the book isn't for everyone. The book has an ultra conservative message, but not the religious based intolerance message of the deep south, or the anti big government message of the northern midwest, it's not even the racial based intolerance of the southern midwest. All of these are messages people associate with conservatism, but really those are not conservationism anymore than socialist nanny state is the ultimate liberal ideal.

I'm not really sure the message could appeal to anyone that was born after 1950. Because that is what it preaches, conformity, service, and patriotism with a mix of class based system that you are forced to work to attain. There are core values that are beat (sometimes literally) into people, and life is slightly devalued. I mean just take a second to think about what the bugs represent, a collective workforce, mindless and dangerous, it is supposed to be the opposite message, and it is a nearly unthinking evil in the book.

I really liked the first movie. It was never intended to be taken seriously. It was over the top action paired with a parody of the conservative message in the book. Think back on the movie, now imagine if all those tongue in cheek bits that where presented as "public service announcements" where presented in a way you where supposed to take seriously. That's how staying faithful to the book would be.

You can't tell any of this from the preview, so best of luck will be if it drops any social message and just has a bunch of power armored space marines killing some bugs.

I think the term is "fascist utopia."

Life is great when you follow the rules and they hang you the second you do anything that could be considered sedition

I think people exaggerate the amount of "fascism" in the original book. Fundamental rights & whatnot are preserved even without service, and the main character's father is an outspoken critic of the system, and he doesn't seem to have the secret police listening at his door.

 

[Soviet Heavy]

The gunship in the trailer is the same model from the Roughneck Chronicles TV show, leading me to believe that this is more a continuation of that continuity than the films or novel.

 

[Reiper]

The book. Well I liked the book.

Problem is the book isn't for everyone. The book has an ultra conservative message, but not the religious based intolerance message of the deep south, or the anti big government message of the northern midwest, it's not even the racial based intolerance of the southern midwest. All of these are messages people associate with conservatism, but really those are not conservationism anymore than socialist nanny state is the ultimate liberal ideal.

I'm not really sure the message could appeal to anyone that was born after 1950. Because that is what it preaches, conformity, service, and patriotism with a mix of class based system that you are forced to work to attain. There are core values that are beat (sometimes literally) into people, and life is slightly devalued. I mean just take a second to think about what the bugs represent, a collective workforce, mindless and dangerous, it is supposed to be the opposite message, and it is a nearly unthinking evil in the book.

I really liked the first movie. It was never intended to be taken seriously. It was over the top action paired with a parody of the conservative message in the book. Think back on the movie, now imagine if all those tongue in cheek bits that where presented as "public service announcements" where presented in a way you where supposed to take seriously. That's how staying faithful to the book would be.

You can't tell any of this from the preview, so best of luck will be if it drops any social message and just has a bunch of power armored space marines killing some bugs.

I think the term is "fascist utopia."

Life is great when you follow the rules and they hang you the second you do anything that could be considered sedition

There was not very much fascist about Heinlein's vision of society. The government was elected, and civilians had fundamental rights that government could not infringe upon. Certain activities however, were designated privileges, such as the right to vote. In order to have a say in society, you had to show that you were willing to serve society as well.

And the federal service did not only mean military in the books, it was also civil service, and they could not turn down anyone. Even if you were a blind quadriplegic, they would accommodate you if you wanted to earn your citizenship

I am not saying Heinlein's utopia is perfect by any means, but I think he does a good job justifying it, and I certainly do not think it is fascist.

 

[Ed130 The Vanguard]

The gunship in the trailer is the same model from the Roughneck Chronicles TV show, leading me to believe that this is more a continuation of that continuity than the films or novel.

That was a good series, it's rather sad that the cartoon had more in common with the book than the actual movie.

 

[laggyteabag]

hmmm, where have i seen this before?

 

[Esotera]

Considering how bad the last two Starship Troopers films were, I'm really not holding my breath. Also they probably won't spend as much on this as the original, which you can sort of see from the trailer, as they've only focussed on about two scenes.

 

[Katherine Kerensky]

About fething time.
I mean, I really enjoy the first Starship Troopers film (Not so much the second and third. The third was a religious sell-out), but it'll be damn good to have a film more faithful to the original writing.
Actually, feth that, we don't need another Starship Troopers film.
I want a The Moon is a Harsh Mistress film, or Job, The Number of the Beast, Red Planet, or any of the good Heinlein books.

 

[Smber2c]

The book. Well I liked the book.

Problem is the book isn't for everyone. The book has an ultra conservative message,


I'm not really sure the message could appeal to anyone that was born after 1950. Because that is what it preaches, conformity, service, and patriotism with a mix of class based system that you are forced to work to attain.


so best of luck will be if it drops any social message and just has a bunch of power armored space marines killing some bugs.

I also enjoyed the book, but took no issue with the 'message'. I read a ton of books and really enjoy when the authors present various morals and push some form of worldview. You note yourself that the south, midwest, 50's, etc...have various ideas of what is ideal; so a narrative that claims seemingly supports one is more realistic than one that stands back and pretends everything & everyone are neutral and non-biased.

"Best of luck will be if it drops any social message and just has a bunch of power armored space marines killing some bugs"?? Really? That's so incredibly boring and disappointing if the majority of people think that way. You are essentially begging for a shallow movie that has human warriors fighting some random bad guy with lots of action/explosion stuff. I'd far prefer a thought out world with the narrative giving touches of politics, scientific developments, historical events, etc...that make the expanded universe richer and the experience more immersive. For that, I'll happily watch a movie that has some gov't advocating policies that I disagree with.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Eh...can't say I really care about Heinlein as such, but if they are going to make a Starship Troopers movie, it should be based on Starship Troopers.

Oh, and hopefully they won't feel the need to make the main character white for no good reason. Now, I don't as such mind changing ethnicities that don't matter, and IIRC, his ethnicity was a non-issue in the books, when you have a almost exclusively white cast as it is, and you make the non-white main character white as well for no particular reason...yeah.

 

[FFHAuthor]

Oh, and hopefully they won't feel the need to make the main character white for no good reason. Now, I don't as such mind changing ethnicities that don't matter, and IIRC, his ethnicity was a non-issue in the books, when you have a almost exclusively white cast as it is, and you make the non-white main character white as well for no particular reason...yeah.

Well, the first starship troopers film was heavily set in a 'this is if the Nazis had won' mindset according to the Paul Verhoven. I bought the book after the movie and heartily enjoyed a lot of the social issues discussed in it, sadly, the only thing that was related to the film were the character names.

 

[Soviet Heavy]

About fething time.
I mean, I really enjoy the first Starship Troopers film (Not so much the second and third. The third was a religious sell-out), but it'll be damn good to have a film more faithful to the original writing.
Actually, feth that, we don't need another Starship Troopers film.
I want a The Moon is a Harsh Mistress film, or Job, The Number of the Beast, Red Planet, or any of the good Heinlein books.

I thought Red Planet was already turned into a terrible film with a killer robot. Or perhaps it's just the name.

 

[Zipa]

hmmm, where have i seen this before?

Starcraft can't really shout as their marines are heavily based/influenced themselves by the Space marines from warhammer 40k (Starcraft was supposedly going to be a 40k game before Games workshop pulled out of it )

 

[Katherine Kerensky]

-Snip-
I thought Red Planet was already turned into a terrible film with a killer robot. Or perhaps it's just the name.

Just the name.
The only other thing it has in common with the book is that it is set on Mars.
If you haven't read the book, then I recommend that you do so.
Well, if you love stuff from the big three of the "Golden Age of sci-fi".

 

[Soviet Heavy]

-Snip-
I thought Red Planet was already turned into a terrible film with a killer robot. Or perhaps it's just the name.

Just the name.
The only other thing it has in common with the book is that it is set on Mars.
If you haven't read the book, then I recommend that you do so.
Well, if you love stuff from the big three of the "Golden Age of sci-fi".

I've read a few Asimov shorts, and I've read Starship Troopers. I've been looking to read The moon is a Harsh Mistress because I love the idea of Asteroids as siege weapons. Haven't gotten to Clarke yet however.

 

[Katherine Kerensky]

-Snip-
I've read a few Asimov shorts, and I've read Starship Troopers. I've been looking to read The moon is a Harsh Mistress because I love the idea of Asteroids as siege weapons. Haven't gotten to Clarke yet however.

By the Emperor's sweet backside, you haven't read The Moon is a Harsh Mistress yet?
Drop every other book you have in line to buy or read, and go straight for that.
It is a god-damn masterpiece of sci-fi. I need to re-read it again, it is one of the best books I have ever read, and I was sad when it ended.

 

[one_brain]

About fething time.
I mean, I really enjoy the first Starship Troopers film (Not so much the second and third. The third was a religious sell-out), but it'll be damn good to have a film more faithful to the original writing.
Actually, feth that, we don't need another Starship Troopers film.
I want a The Moon is a Harsh Mistress film, or Job, The Number of the Beast, Red Planet, or any of the good Heinlein books.

I second 'Job', its a really awesome book. Wonder what kind of movie they would turn it into to? I feel it might offend a great deal of people, though nothing wrong with that!

And why do I feel Heinlein always gets a bit ignored when it comes to conversations about great sci-fi novels? Most people I know have hardly heard of him, but they know Clarke and Asimov most of the time...

 

[Katherine Kerensky]

-Snip-
I second 'Job', its a really awesome book. Wonder what kind of movie they would turn it into to? I feel it might offend a great deal of people, though nothing wrong with that!

And why do I feel Heinlein always gets a bit ignored when it comes to conversations about great sci-fi novels? Most people I know have hardly heard of him, but they know Clarke and Asimov most of the time...

It's really quite strange, because Heinlein is widely considered as one of the "Big three", the other two being Clarke and Asimov.
But if you ever manage to catch the Escapist staff on IRC, you can usually talk to them about it, it's nice to find people well read when it comes to sci-fi.

And yes, I'm sure a number of people might be insulted, or even call it a tool of the devil. But I doubt any film maker coud do any of Heinlein's books justice.