New Vegas: Dealing with "Post Benny Syndrome"

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Soviet Heavy

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Post Benny Syndrome, for the five of you who don't know, is the feeling that pretty much every Fallout New Vegas Player dealt with on their playthrough of the game. Once Benny is handled, a lot of players felt that the main story lost a lot of its drive, and fell into a bit of a rut, where your goals are rather aimless. You meander around the Wasteland doing oddjobs for people until you pick a side and start the battle at Hoover Dam.

I found that for me, the biggest reason for this was because once you get locked in with a faction, following the completion of a number of their quests, the other factions kick you out and limit what you can do with them after that point. So, I came up with a solution. I would play the second half of the game as a chess battle between the other factions.

One of the interesting things about New Vegas is that a number of quests overlap with each other, with certain goals for different factions sometimes being the same. So you could be working for Yes Man, and complete an NCR quest that had you achieving the same goals (example: recruiting the Boomers to fight for NCR)

With this in mind, I have begun a quest to see how many of this intertwining quests I could do, with my ultimate goal of fighting for an independent New Vegas. So I'm working with House for the meantime, completing a few parts of Render Unto Ceasar (Killing House), and recruiting allies for the NCR with Ambassador Crocker. Once I've done as much as I can with the Legion before the other groups turn on me, then I throw my military might in with NCR and start open warfare against them. Legion is down.

Then, I work my way through the House quests, upgrading the securitrons and activating the army under Fortification hill, which simultaneously completes quests for Yes Man. Then comes Side Bets. I do every House quest before the Brotherhood of Steel issue comes up, and continue with the Wild Card: Side Bets questline. Once I've maxed out that, finish up with the NCR quests (since I'm done with House, they'll still let me work for them), including saving Kimball.

When everything is set, I head to the Lucky 38, kill House, and upload Yes Man. Then comes the battle. With everything I've done to reinforce NCR, they're going to wipe the floor with the Legion. And then I proceed to tell NCR to fuck right off and kick them out of the Mojave.

This is just how I dealt with the aimlessness. Instead of doing the stuff the game was telling me to, I set my own goal to play every faction against each other, strengthening my own forces without them even noticing.
 

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I kinda fucked myself in this game, my goal was to work with house because although he was a dick he had done more for the greater good then anyone. So after taking care of benny I am approached by a legion guy who tells me that ceaser wants to meet me and if I did he would absolve me of all crimes against the legion specifically the bases I obliterated, having already decided to work with house I turned him down and returned to house where he tells me my next mission is to go to ceasers base and find a secret bunker.....

WHAT

I scrambled back to where the legion guy was only to find him long gone, so now I'm stuck trying to get through the whole enemy base to the bunker then back out without dieing
 

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I think Benny was the only character I didn't care about in this game. Maybe that's just me. I didn't like his stupid "baby" thing, and it got on my nerves pretty fast. I just finished a play through of this and all the DLC today, but Honest Hearts flipped out on me and every character/mob went agro towards me as soon as I entered the DLC. It ended up taking me like 10 minutes to "beat" that DLC because of that. Just started on Hardcore now.

Sounds like you ended the game just like I did, OP. We're Fallout Buddies.
 

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Orange12345 said:
I kinda fucked myself in this game, my goal was to work with house because although he was a dick he had done more for the greater good then anyone. So after taking care of benny I am approached by a legion guy who tells me that ceaser wants to meet me and if I did he would absolve me of all crimes against the legion specifically the bases I obliterated, having already decided to work with house I turned him down and returned to house where he tells me my next mission is to go to ceasers base and find a secret bunker.....

WHAT

I scrambled back to where the legion guy was only to find him long gone, so now I'm stuck trying to get through the whole enemy base to the bunker then back out without dieing
If you haven't killed any Legionnaires since Vulpes gave you the Mark, you're fine. Go to Caesar and tell him about the bunker and he will want you to destroy it. However, once you go down there, you can complete House's quest by activating the bunker. Caesar will think that you blew it up because he heard a rumble, and he'll let you go.

Unless you turned down getting Vulpes offer of amnesty, and didn't receive the mark. Then, your best bet is getting Boone and going on a crusade.
 

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Louie Clark said:
I think Benny was the only character I didn't care about in this game. Maybe that's just me. I didn't like his stupid "baby" thing, and it got on my nerves pretty fast. I just finished a play through of this and all the DLC today, but Honest Hearts flipped out on me and every character/mob went agro towards me as soon as I entered the DLC. It ended up taking me like 10 minutes to "beat" that DLC because of that. Just started on Hardcore now.

Sounds like you ended the game just like I did, OP. We're Fallout Buddies.
Did you get the "Chaos in Zion" mission? That happens if you kill the Dead Horse who approaches you after your caravan was wiped out by the White legs.
 

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Soviet Heavy said:
Did you get the "Chaos in Zion" mission? That happens if you kill the Dead Horse who approaches you after your caravan was wiped out by the White legs.
That DLC was so full of "why?" game design.

"lets make a bunch of tribals attack your caravan, then lets have a tribal from a different tribe, that looks kinda like the tribals you just killed, come up and try to talk to you, NO ONE WILL SHOOT AT HIM!!!!".

It was like...... really Obsidian? really?
 

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SajuukKhar said:
Soviet Heavy said:
Did you get the "Chaos in Zion" mission? That happens if you kill the Dead Horse who approaches you after your caravan was wiped out by the White legs.
That DLC was so full of "why?" game design.

"lets make a bunch of tribals attack your caravan, then lets have a tribal from a different tribe, that looks kinda like the tribals you just killed, come up and try to talk to you, NO ONE WILL SHOOT AT HIM!!!!".

It was like...... really Obsidian? really?
Funny considering I like Honest Hearts the best of all the DLC. But I know you have a hatred of Obsidian because of your obsession with Bethesda, so really, I'm not surprised.
 

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Soviet Heavy said:
Funny considering I like Honest Hearts the best of all the DLC. But I know you have a hatred of Obsidian because of your obsession with Bethesda, so really, I'm not surprised.
Lol, I dont hate Obsidian, in fact, I found the Old World Blues DLC to be miles ahead of any of New Vegas's, or Fallout 3's DLC.

I was just pointing out what was an obviously stupid design move, and considering a large portion of the people who played that DLC fell into the exact same trap, the bad design is apparent.
 

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SajuukKhar said:
Soviet Heavy said:
Funny considering I like Honest Hearts the best of all the DLC. But I know you have a hatred of Obsidian because of your obsession with Bethesda, so really, I'm not surprised.
Lol, I dont hate Obsidian, in fact, I found the Old World Blues DLC to be miles ahead of any of New Vegas's, or Fallout 3's DLC.

I was just pointing out what was an obviously stupid design move, and considering a large portion of the people who played that DLC fell into the exact same trap, the bad design is apparent.
Old World Blues was amazing and easily the best of the DLCs in my opinion. I hated Dead Money to death and it almost made me stop playing all together.

I'm not sure why my Honest Hearts glitched, I didn't get any quests or anything. Like the second the DLC started, everything started trying to kill me before I even took one step. Everything.
 

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SajuukKhar said:
Soviet Heavy said:
Funny considering I like Honest Hearts the best of all the DLC. But I know you have a hatred of Obsidian because of your obsession with Bethesda, so really, I'm not surprised.
Lol, I dont hate Obsidian, in fact, I found the Old World Blues DLC to be miles ahead of any of New Vegas's, or Fallout 3's DLC.

I was just pointing out what was an obviously stupid design move, and considering a large portion of the people who played that DLC fell into the exact same trap, the bad design is apparent.
You know, if it didn't completely bar you from every mission in the DLC it would've been kind of cool. At least giving you a chance to explain yourself to the rest of the Dead Horse. Of course one of the dialogue options would have to be something along the lines of "Sorry, but all you tribals look the same to me." And THEN everybody goes aggro.
 

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Louie Clark said:
SajuukKhar said:
Soviet Heavy said:
Funny considering I like Honest Hearts the best of all the DLC. But I know you have a hatred of Obsidian because of your obsession with Bethesda, so really, I'm not surprised.
Lol, I dont hate Obsidian, in fact, I found the Old World Blues DLC to be miles ahead of any of New Vegas's, or Fallout 3's DLC.

I was just pointing out what was an obviously stupid design move, and considering a large portion of the people who played that DLC fell into the exact same trap, the bad design is apparent.
Old World Blues was amazing and easily the best of the DLCs in my opinion. I hated Dead Money to death and it almost made me stop playing all together.

I'm not sure why my Honest Hearts glitched, I didn't get any quests or anything. Like the second the DLC started, everything started trying to kill me before I even took one step. Everything.
See it's funny, Dead Money was easily my favorite. OWB was a fairly close second, but the plot in Dead Money was by far the most engaging out of anyI've seen in the current gen Fallouts.
 

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Nope, I never fell victim to this "Post Benny Syndrome".

I never really felt "aimless" while playing through the game.
 

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eh I the sidequests were still really good because they were tied in with my main goals....to shape vegas in my image!
 

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bluepotatosack said:
See it's funny, Dead Money was easily my favorite. OWB was a fairly close second, but the plot in Dead Money was by far the most engaging out of anyI've seen in the current gen Fallouts.
Oh, I should have been more specific. The plot and characters I liked a lot. It was just the gameplay of that part that I hated. It seemed to want you to have melee to get started, and I just didn't have fun playing it.
 

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Nope, I never fell victim to this "Post Benny Syndrome".
Neither did I, what I fell victim to was "Every ending sucks" syndrome.

Personally, Benny was never a driving force in the game; moving me ever closer to the glamour and sparkle of New Vegas. The man was a macguffin. Why would I care so much in hunting him down - putting my life in more danger - just to get back at this guy? I'm sorry, but revenge just isn't an interesting story mechanic to drive me to play onward. At least in FO3, I could understand wanting find my father; the man had secrets, and I was interested in what he was up to and why my character was lied to growing up.

Now, what was a driving force in NV was exploration; and I was really intrigued in how all the factions were intertwined, all scheming to do each other in. That I found interesting. But in the end, what made me lose interest is when I realized how messed up every ending was going to lead me towards. For instance, I was mostly questing for the NCR, but when they started asking me to kill Mr. House (even though unlikable, I couldn't help but feel pity when I actually confronted him and saw what he was reduced to) and deal with the BOS, I just couldn't move on.

Fuck the Legion, I hated those assholes and their asshole leader so much, that I made a save spot next to Caesar, invisible, and armed with a shotty; so every time I got mad at the game, I could reload that spot and blow off that bold prick's head.

I didn't feel like siding with Mr. House either because - let's face it - he's a prick.

And to think, if I took over and ran NV being the best option... well, that would be hypocritical.

Anyways... after Benny, this was what I was left with. And seeing how every ending sucked is what really got me to stop playing.
 
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No, I was fine. I took a great screenshot of him after I had killed him, dumped him head first in his toilet and stuck a plunger on his head. House's better world speech took me in.

What got me is that I inadvertently got into the plot to help gas the strip with the Omertas and then despite the fact that I (finally) realised what they were up to and hadn't delivered the chlorine I couldn't tell Mr House about it on his investigate the Omertas mission until I had completed the Omerta's mission and couldn't tell the NCR about the Omertas plans at all.

Then finally I was asked to blow up the BoS and House wouldn't take no for an answer. They seemed willing to negotiate after I had helped them, plus they were Veronica's family so I had to take down house. I wish there had been a dialogue option to tell him why I was doing it. Then I went for Yes Man in the hope that I'd be able to use House's technology myself and follow his plan in a slightly less dickish way.
 

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You could have made things even more interesting if you had Arcade get the enclave gang back together and then have them side with the legion so you could fight the enclave soldiers at the dam to make it more epic.
 

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Make sure if you work for house that you don't tell him you bugged his system, he goes absolutely nutshit (In his usual very proper tone of voice) and your only option at that point is to go and crack open his sleeping chamber. Then he had the audacity to ask "WHY?!" and I'm like "Cause you are a petty little douche, you turned off the bug like a half second after it started working and then I wanted to be honest with you about it cause I felt bad betraying you but I thought it would do some good for the rest of the wasteland."

Ugh, I love house and his vision but the man is disturbingly petty for a guy that has laid in patient slumber for like 200+ years. :S
 

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Sometimes, when I read these threads I wonder if I'm the only one who thought Dead Money was simply amazing. It was more than just an expansion of the game. The focus on skills made it feel like an entirely new game to me and I absolutely loved it.