New Wonder Woman Trailer

[Metalix Knightmare]

For example start this video at 02:23

I just remembered that comics are terrible.

Be thankful Superhero movies have not made their own Spiderman One More Day yet.

And no BvS, Amazing Spiderman 2, Fant4stic comes no where near close to how bad the worse comics like One More Day are.

You never saw the Supergirl or Steel movies have you?

I don't blame you. I've spent way too long trying to repress their memories.

 

[bastardofmelbourne]

In the immortal words of Dr. Evil, "How bout no?" Seriously, we've already got Batman with his grim darkness, Superman was way to dark and cynical (And how anyone though THAT was a good idea is STILL beyond me) how about we get ONE DC superhero who's actually optimistic? Just one?

Superman's a weird case in the DCEU films. It's less that he's dark and cynical and more that the world is dark and cynical, in ways that sabotage or undermine his efforts to be the classic ideal hero he wants to be. Superman himself in those films is fairly straightforward. He's got superpowers, he wants to help people, and he goes and does it without thinking twice about the political or economic consequences.

Then the world around him goes "Hey, your fistfight with Zod just caused a trillion dollars worth of damage and flattened ten square blocks of Metropolis. Also, your periodic jaunts into foreign countries are dismantling the entire concept of international law."

So it ends up being a cynical story, but not really because of Superman. It's like Zack Snyder was going, "okay, let's get Superman and assume he's lawful good or whatever, but the world around him is the same world that is currently debating whether or not they want to see a Trump presidency."

Yeah. Children read comics. Shocking, I know.

Most adults who read comics started as kids.

Ehh. I always have the same reaction when someone brings up the "this is all kid's stuff" point. Which is generally, like, "really? I thought we were past that."

I mean, I try to talk to my dad about something relatively serious like the plot of Spec Ops: The Line, and he goes "but this is a video game, yeah," as if Splatoon was the only video game ever made.

It's a medium. Comic books, video games, cartoons, Lego - they're mediums, not genres. They can be stupid, they can be brilliant, they can be childish, they can be mature. And I'm not disagreeing with you about the Lego movie; I thought that movie was hella fun while still making poignant remarks about a father's relationship with his son. I'm looking forward to the Lego Batman movie.

But if a part of me also wants to see a serious Wonder Woman story, even an outright depressing Wonder Woman story, it's no less valid than the part that wants to see Wonder Woman play skee-ball and flip out over ice cream [https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/wonder-woman-has-an-ice-cream.jpg]. You know? I think there's room in my head for both.

I think what Samtemdo's worried about is that the former might vanish in favour of the latter, and given what most people say about the DCEU ("it's too dark," "it's not fun," "children can't watch it"), that's a fair concern. I like both chocolate and vanilla, but I don't like chocolate so much that I want to see vanilla vanish from the menu.

In my opinion, Sam you're someone who didn't mature enough that things don't go and will never go according to what you want. As someone who grew up not getting what I want, you're whining that DCEU is not winning comes as petty to me. Do you have better things to do like finishing your studies or finding a job? Because what you're saying to all of us here is just plain immaturity. How old are you btw?

Note to self:
Well that's what I get for arguing with an immature, emo, sheltered person in an internet forum.

I agree with most of what Samtemdo says. Don't be so quick to judge.

 

[Hawki]

Ehh. I always have the same reaction when someone brings up the "this is all kid's stuff" point. Which is generally, like, "really? I thought we were past that."

I mean, I try to talk to my dad about something relatively serious like the plot of Spec Ops: The Line, and he goes "but this is a video game, yeah," as if Splatoon was the only video game ever made.

It's a medium. Comic books, video games, cartoons, Lego - they're mediums, not genres. They can be stupid, they can be brilliant, they can be childish, they can be mature. And I'm not disagreeing with you about the Lego movie; I thought that movie was hella fun while still making poignant remarks about a father's relationship with his son. I'm looking forward to the Lego Batman movie.

I've long since given up on that front. There's some attitudes that can't be changed. But at least we-

I like both chocolate and vanilla, but I don't like chocolate so much that I want to see vanilla vanish from the menu.

You like chocolate more than vanilla?

We can never be friends!

 

[bastardofmelbourne]

You like chocolate more than vanilla?

We can never be friends!

I'M ICE-CURIOUS OKAY

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Mabye I mean I was exposed to stuff like Mortal Kombat, Metal Gear Solid 1, Starcraft 1, and Half Life 1 at a very early age.

And adult-ish anime like Cowboy Bebop, Blue Submarine no.6, Neon Genesis Evangelion, and Gundam.

A great many things have just become clear.

Oh yeah and Resident Evil 2 and Dragon Ball Z and Samuari Jack.

Maybe that's the reason why I'm indifferent to the current DCEU movies, it makes me depressed and if watch a movie I want to escape from the real world for just a few hours because real life is shitty as it is and movie tickets are fucking expensive. Also if want to feel depressed, I will not spend $15-$20 on tickets for any DCEU movies, I'll just watch the news which is free and will not feel I wasted my hard earned money on garbage except as I mentioned make me depressed.

In my opinion, Sam you're someone who didn't mature enough that things don't go and will never go according to what you want. As someone who grew up not getting what I want, you're whining that DCEU is not winning comes as petty to me. Do you have better things to do like finishing your studies or finding a job? Because what you're saying to all of us here is just plain immaturity. How old are you btw?

Note to self:
Well that's what I get for arguing with an immature, emo, sheltered person in an internet forum.

I'm emo? I don't slit my wrists for anything bad that happens and I do have college stuff to do but right now I am free.

 

[PapaGreg096]

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Honestly nobody has a problem with dark or mature superhero stuff, if that was the case Marvel's netflix stuff would've ended with Daredevil, people just care whether or not if its good

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

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Honestly nobody has a problem with dark or mature superhero stuff, if that was the case Marvel's netflix stuff would've ended with Daredevil, people just care whether or not if its good

The problem is Warner Bros. and them doing everything the can to replicate the success of the Dark Knight. That is why Man of Steel BvS are what they are.

That did not work so they cowered at the criticism of "it being too dark and grim" and made Suicide Squad all light hearted and comedic to replicate Marvel's tone.

The thing is all 3 movies went through a combination of Studio Interference and Development hell even I can tell Batman v Superman went through development hell.


And it also does not help given the current Box Office Standard where now "EVERY BLOCKBUSTER MUST EARN 1 BILLION DOLLARS TO BE SUCCESSFUL"

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

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Honestly nobody has a problem with dark or mature superhero stuff, if that was the case Marvel's netflix stuff would've ended with Daredevil, people just care whether or not if its good

The problem is Warner Bros. and them doing everything the can to replicate the success of the Dark Knight. That is why Man of Steel BvS are what they are.

That did not work so they cowered at the criticism of "it being too dark and grim" and made Suicide Squad all light hearted and comedic to replicate Marvel's tone.

Suicide Squad's first duty should have been to be funny, but the sort of jokes I expect to hear in a movie with characters like Harley Quinn and Deadshot aren't the kind you can flog in a PG-13 action movie. It's second duty should have been to not make Amanda Waller stupid, which frankly was the worse of the two sins.

And it also does not help given the current Box Office Standard where now "EVERY BLOCKBUSTER MUST EARN 1 BILLION DOLLARS TO BE SUCCESSFUL"

This is no one's fault but the studios: they keep wanting and expecting (almost to the point of needing) these returns because the amount of money spent to make them has been steadily increasing but aside from improving the visual effects (which I appreciate) the benefits aren't as tangible to audiences.

 

[Bob_McMillan]

In the immortal words of Dr. Evil, "How bout no?" Seriously, we've already got Batman with his grim darkness, Superman was way to dark and cynical (And how anyone though THAT was a good idea is STILL beyond me) how about we get ONE DC superhero who's actually optimistic? Just one?

Well, considering that Wonder Woman seems to have given up on Man's world in BvS, her origin story ending on a happy note would be a little out of place.

 

[Cicada 5]

What about this trailer even suggests she's a warmonger?

Her stern stoicism and eagerness to jump into combat. Like I said, it seems like they are mostly taking her in that direction, but not all the way. She looks far more reserved in the trailer than she does in other iterations, where she basically behaves like a spartan and sees compromise as a sign of weakness.

She doesn't look eager to jump into battle at all. Every instance we see her fighting is when other people are attacking her or her allies.

And other than Johns, Miller and the Inujustice versions, she's not depicted as a Spartan at all. For the most part, she knows when to use lethal force and when not to.

 

[Zhukov]

In the immortal words of Dr. Evil, "How bout no?" Seriously, we've already got Batman with his grim darkness, Superman was way to dark and cynical (And how anyone though THAT was a good idea is STILL beyond me) how about we get ONE DC superhero who's actually optimistic? Just one?

Yeah, fair enough.

What I described was just what I would personally enjoy seeing, but I'm not about to die on that hill. I can totally see why others wouldn't want that.

If the film turns out generally solid and optimistic in tone that's fine by me.

Ehh. I always have the same reaction when someone brings up the "this is all kid's stuff" point.

That's... not quite what I'm saying.

I don't actually dislike "dark & gritty" fiction. Y'know, so long as it's actually good. (Also some levity is generally necessary, if only to break things up. Ceaseless grimness inevitably just becomes boring. You probably know this though.)

It's when people start saying that the younger generations shouldn't get their turn, when they basically become the dad from the Lego Movie, that I get my hackles up.

Both can exist. We can have Marvel raking in huge piles of money and acclaim with fun titles while DC subsists on the spittle of critics earned with their grimdark gravel movies.

Which is generally, like, "really? I thought we were past that."

I mean, I try to talk to my dad about something relatively serious like the plot of Spec Ops: The Line, and he goes "but this is a video game, yeah," as if Splatoon was the only video game ever made.

It's a medium. Comic books, video games, cartoons, Lego - they're mediums, not genres. They can be stupid, they can be brilliant, they can be childish, they can be mature.

I can't blame your dad, honestly.

Yes, a medium can be all those things, but that doesn't mean it is or ever will be.

In the distant eons of, oh, about five years ago, I used to bang on the games-are-art drum a fair bit. But now? Fuck it. In my eyes the best very best games are struggling to be as adult/mature/meaningful/whatever as a merely competent movie/book/series. Maybe that will improve. I hope it will. It seems like people are trying, so that's nice. If it happens I'll be happy about it, but I'm not holding my breath. These days I enjoy them for what they are, which is an electronic toy or virtual boardgame, with the occasional ambitious exception desperately fighting to get its head above the deep waters of mediocrity.

I have less experience with comics, but I happily dismiss the superhero stuff as dross. If the kids can extract some joy from it then they're welcome to it. Maybe there's some gold out there, but be damned if I'm swimming up a waterfall of crap to find it. Some of the non-superhero material seems promising, but it still seems to suffer from problems that may be inherent to the medium, or possibly the business model. Don't know enough to say.

But if a part of me also wants to see a serious Wonder Woman story, even an outright depressing Wonder Woman story, it's no less valid than the part that wants to see Wonder Woman play skee-ball and flip out over ice cream. You know? I think there's room in my head for both.

I think what Samtemdo's worried about is that the former might vanish in favour of the latter, and given what most people say about the DCEU ("it's too dark," "it's not fun," "children can't watch it"), that's a fair concern. I like both chocolate and vanilla, but I don't like chocolate so much that I want to see vanilla vanish from the menu.

I agree with much of what you say there. (See my first post in this thread.)

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

In the immortal words of Dr. Evil, "How bout no?" Seriously, we've already got Batman with his grim darkness, Superman was way to dark and cynical (And how anyone though THAT was a good idea is STILL beyond me) how about we get ONE DC superhero who's actually optimistic? Just one?

Superman's a weird case in the DCEU films. It's less that he's dark and cynical and more that the world is dark and cynical, in ways that sabotage or undermine his efforts to be the classic ideal hero he wants to be. Superman himself in those films is fairly straightforward. He's got superpowers, he wants to help people, and he goes and does it without thinking twice about the political or economic consequences.

Then the world around him goes "Hey, your fistfight with Zod just caused a trillion dollars worth of damage and flattened ten square blocks of Metropolis. Also, your periodic jaunts into foreign countries are dismantling the entire concept of international law."

So it ends up being a cynical story, but not really because of Superman. It's like Zack Snyder was going, "okay, let's get Superman and assume he's lawful good or whatever, but the world around him is the same world that is currently debating whether or not they want to see a Trump presidency."

Yeah. Children read comics. Shocking, I know.

Most adults who read comics started as kids.

Ehh. I always have the same reaction when someone brings up the "this is all kid's stuff" point. Which is generally, like, "really? I thought we were past that."

I mean, I try to talk to my dad about something relatively serious like the plot of Spec Ops: The Line, and he goes "but this is a video game, yeah," as if Splatoon was the only video game ever made.

It's a medium. Comic books, video games, cartoons, Lego - they're mediums, not genres. They can be stupid, they can be brilliant, they can be childish, they can be mature. And I'm not disagreeing with you about the Lego movie; I thought that movie was hella fun while still making poignant remarks about a father's relationship with his son. I'm looking forward to the Lego Batman movie.

But if a part of me also wants to see a serious Wonder Woman story, even an outright depressing Wonder Woman story, it's no less valid than the part that wants to see Wonder Woman play skee-ball and flip out over ice cream [https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/wonder-woman-has-an-ice-cream.jpg]. You know? I think there's room in my head for both.

I think what Samtemdo's worried about is that the former might vanish in favour of the latter, and given what most people say about the DCEU ("it's too dark," "it's not fun," "children can't watch it"), that's a fair concern. I like both chocolate and vanilla, but I don't like chocolate so much that I want to see vanilla vanish from the menu.

In my opinion, Sam you're someone who didn't mature enough that things don't go and will never go according to what you want. As someone who grew up not getting what I want, you're whining that DCEU is not winning comes as petty to me. Do you have better things to do like finishing your studies or finding a job? Because what you're saying to all of us here is just plain immaturity. How old are you btw?

Note to self:
Well that's what I get for arguing with an immature, emo, sheltered person in an internet forum.

I agree with most of what Samtemdo says. Don't be so quick to judge.

Let me give you my preference and use an example in Aquaman.

How I personally view and think how Aquaman should be is this:

A Kingly Superhuman who strongly distrusts the Surface World and with Good Reason. But he also has a strong sense of justice and a Warrior's Honor.

That is how I want Aquaman to be, the Honorable Warrior King, a Poseidon/Neptune/Ulmo like figure

THIS is what everyone wants Aquaman to be:

 

[Saltyk]

Trailer looks okay. The Wonder Woman Theme is still pretty bad ass (it was the best part of BvS). But I don't think I'll be seeing this one. I didn't see Suicide Squad. I don't think I want to risk another DC film at this point. They seem to be killing people's enjoyment of the MCU and I'd rather continue to enjoy those.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

I'd actually argue WW1 is more interesting than WW2, but due to its nature is far less useful to a WW story. (Quick, I need more abbreviations with two Ws)

Because if you're trying to convince someone that the world of man is worth a damn, I'm not sure the Great War is going to do that terribly well compared to the war started by real-life super villains.

Try Walla Walla, Winter Wonderland, William Wallace, and Wishing Well.

I liked this trailer. I don't know if the "300"-like music at the end of the trailer is appropriate though.

If this is 300 like music than they failed at replicating this glorious piece of music from 300:

That "glorious piece of music" is actually a ripoff of a track by Eliot Goldenthal:

The composer for Batman V Superman and Wonder Woman is Junkie XL, aka Tom Holkenberg. He actually did the soundtrack for 300: Rise of an Empire, which is a much better film than the first one, imo.

Ah Titus Andronicus.

One of the more underrated of Shakespree's works

Does that movie retain the bloody nature of Shakesspree's work?

 

[Cicada 5]

faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaake

it has color it cant be a real DC trailer

Seriously, this is a breath of fresh air.

I'm actually still hoping that they go for a more cynical angle. End the movie with Diana looking around at the world and going, "Y'know what, fuck this noise. You boys and your toys can bloody kill each other. I'm going back to my island paradise." Probably after Chris Pine dies. (Which I'm pretty sure he will. He'd be either dead or very, very old by the time of the Justice League film.) And if there's any war to fit that kind of angle it would be WWI, at least as it exists in popular memory.

The opening dialogue in the trailer even suggests they might be doing this. "I used to want to save the world" etc.

I don't know if fans would like it or if it fits the comics character at all, but a no-longer-naive Wonder Woman who has seen just how shitty humanity can be in her 100+ years of life could give her a distinctive perspective in the team-up movies.

All that said, I'm still far from certain this is what they're going with. It would be very unconventional to end a superhero movie with the heroine saying, "You all suck, I'm peaceing out!"

In the immortal words of Dr. Evil, "How bout no?" Seriously, we've already got Batman with his grim darkness, Superman was way to dark and cynical (And how anyone though THAT was a good idea is STILL beyond me) how about we get ONE DC superhero who's actually optimistic? Just one?

It amazes me people can see DCEU Superman as dark and cynical in a world that has the Injustice, Justice Lord and Kingdom Come versions.