NEWS: Girl, 9, Gives Birth in Mexico

[knight steel]

Quite frankly, if you really want be a truly loving and supporting nation you should respect two romantic parnters relationship if they are both entirely consensual, no matter what they may both be.

Too bad kids can't consent to sex.

And quite frankly, if you're trying to excuse this with "we should be a loving and supportive nation", then love and support can fester and rot.

People come into sexuality and mature at different times and over the history of man kind views on age and sex have fluctuated [people use to marry and have sex legally at 12 and was considered normal].

The doctor has said she physically fine and while we don't know the detail's the girl states that it was a loving companionship suggesting consent [the idea of when a person can consent varies from country to country and as stated before people mature differently so it is possible that she knew what she was doing thus consensual], the man also wanted to look after the child but ran when refused.

While doing so was wrong as he should have stayed considering possible reaction to this he might have felt like he had no choice and had to go for his own safety. Considering these factors we should wait intill more info but at the moment I personally see this act as ok an that he should NOT be punishable at this time.

 

[twohundredpercent]

My god, an underage mexican girl giving birth?! Call the presses! That never happens!

 

[lacktheknack]

Quite frankly, if you really want be a truly loving and supporting nation you should respect two romantic parnters relationship if they are both entirely consensual, no matter what they may both be.

Too bad kids can't consent to sex.

And quite frankly, if you're trying to excuse this with "we should be a loving and supportive nation", then love and support can fester and rot.

People come into sexuality and mature at different times and over the history of man kind views on age and sex have fluctuated [people use to marry and have sex legally at 12 and was considered normal].

The doctor has said she physically fine and while we don't know the detail's the girl states that it was a loving companionship suggesting consent [the idea of when a person can consent varies from country to country and as stated before people mature differently so it is possible that she knew what she was doing thus consensual], the man also wanted to look after the child but ran when refused.

While doing so was wrong as he should have stayed considering possible reaction to this he might have felt like he had no choice and had to go for his own safety. Considering these factors we should wait intill more info but at the moment I personally see this act as ok an that he should NOT be punishable at this time.

I have a line drawn in the sand.

The age of consent is 12 in Mexico (I believe).

He was significantly older than that, and she was significantly younger.

Laws are there for a damned reason, and one potentially exceptable couple being inconvenienced can just suck it up and wait. I'm not interested in technicalities of potential maturity, I care that a nine-year-old has been thrust into motherhood (and there's NO WAY you can convince me she was prepared for that), and I'm disgusted that people try to defend this.

 

[knight steel]

Quite frankly, if you really want be a truly loving and supporting nation you should respect two romantic parnters relationship if they are both entirely consensual, no matter what they may both be.

Too bad kids can't consent to sex.

And quite frankly, if you're trying to excuse this with "we should be a loving and supportive nation", then love and support can fester and rot.

People come into sexuality and mature at different times and over the history of man kind views on age and sex have fluctuated [people use to marry and have sex legally at 12 and was considered normal].

The doctor has said she physically fine and while we don't know the detail's the girl states that it was a loving companionship suggesting consent [the idea of when a person can consent varies from country to country and as stated before people mature differently so it is possible that she knew what she was doing thus consensual], the man also wanted to look after the child but ran when refused.

While doing so was wrong as he should have stayed considering possible reaction to this he might have felt like he had no choice and had to go for his own safety. Considering these factors we should wait intill more info but at the moment I personally see this act as ok an that he should NOT be punishable at this time.

I have a line drawn in the sand.

The age of consent is 12 in Mexico (I believe).

He was significantly older than that, and she was significantly younger.

Laws are there for a damned reason, and one potentially exceptable couple being inconvenienced can just suck it up and wait. I'm not interested in technicalities of potential maturity, I care that a nine-year-old has been thrust into motherhood (and there's NO WAY you can convince me she was prepared for that), and I'm disgusted that people try to defend this.

Just because the law/culture says something doesn't mean you can't try and fight/change it or bring up point against it, other cultures and time allow it so perhaps mexico should as well? Also she's not going through mother hood alone she has her parent or if it was to hard adoption!

 

[lacktheknack]

Quite frankly, if you really want be a truly loving and supporting nation you should respect two romantic parnters relationship if they are both entirely consensual, no matter what they may both be.

Too bad kids can't consent to sex.

And quite frankly, if you're trying to excuse this with "we should be a loving and supportive nation", then love and support can fester and rot.

People come into sexuality and mature at different times and over the history of man kind views on age and sex have fluctuated [people use to marry and have sex legally at 12 and was considered normal].

The doctor has said she physically fine and while we don't know the detail's the girl states that it was a loving companionship suggesting consent [the idea of when a person can consent varies from country to country and as stated before people mature differently so it is possible that she knew what she was doing thus consensual], the man also wanted to look after the child but ran when refused.

While doing so was wrong as he should have stayed considering possible reaction to this he might have felt like he had no choice and had to go for his own safety. Considering these factors we should wait intill more info but at the moment I personally see this act as ok an that he should NOT be punishable at this time.

I have a line drawn in the sand.

The age of consent is 12 in Mexico (I believe).

He was significantly older than that, and she was significantly younger.

Laws are there for a damned reason, and one potentially exceptable couple being inconvenienced can just suck it up and wait. I'm not interested in technicalities of potential maturity, I care that a nine-year-old has been thrust into motherhood (and there's NO WAY you can convince me she was prepared for that), and I'm disgusted that people try to defend this.

Just because the law/culture says something doesn't mean you can't try and fight/change it or bring up point against it, other cultures and time allow it so perhaps mexico should as well? Also she's not going through mother hood alone she has her parent or if it was to hard adoption!

Over time, the age of consent has gone UP. Lowering it further was considered a bad idea FOR A REASON. Do you honestly think she was ready for sex and children? I don't want some wishy-washy "she might be", because that's BS and you know it. Your average nine year old is preoccupied with the simplest mathematics, making simple crafts, playing games with friends, and generally not worrying about "adult problems". Now she has to, support or not.

What's worse, that a very mature nine-year-old should be forced to wait a few years before she steps into adulthood, or that a typical nine-year-old should be allowed into adulthood before she's anywhere close to ready? (Hint: It's the second one.)

Yes, some things can/should be changed. Lowering age of consent IS NOT ONE OF THOSE THINGS.

 

[knight steel]

Quite frankly, if you really want be a truly loving and supporting nation you should respect two romantic parnters relationship if they are both entirely consensual, no matter what they may both be.

Too bad kids can't consent to sex.

And quite frankly, if you're trying to excuse this with "we should be a loving and supportive nation", then love and support can fester and rot.

People come into sexuality and mature at different times and over the history of man kind views on age and sex have fluctuated [people use to marry and have sex legally at 12 and was considered normal].

The doctor has said she physically fine and while we don't know the detail's the girl states that it was a loving companionship suggesting consent [the idea of when a person can consent varies from country to country and as stated before people mature differently so it is possible that she knew what she was doing thus consensual], the man also wanted to look after the child but ran when refused.

While doing so was wrong as he should have stayed considering possible reaction to this he might have felt like he had no choice and had to go for his own safety. Considering these factors we should wait intill more info but at the moment I personally see this act as ok an that he should NOT be punishable at this time.

I have a line drawn in the sand.

The age of consent is 12 in Mexico (I believe).

He was significantly older than that, and she was significantly younger.

Laws are there for a damned reason, and one potentially exceptable couple being inconvenienced can just suck it up and wait. I'm not interested in technicalities of potential maturity, I care that a nine-year-old has been thrust into motherhood (and there's NO WAY you can convince me she was prepared for that), and I'm disgusted that people try to defend this.

Just because the law/culture says something doesn't mean you can't try and fight/change it or bring up point against it, other cultures and time allow it so perhaps mexico should as well? Also she's not going through mother hood alone she has her parent or if it was to hard adoption!

Over time, the age of consent has gone UP. Lowering it further was considered a bad idea FOR A REASON. Do you honestly think she was ready for sex and children? I don't want some wishy-washy "she might be", because that's BS and you know it. Your average nine year old is preoccupied with the simplest mathematics, making simple crafts, playing games with friends, and generally not worrying about "adult problems". Now she has to, support or not.

What's worse, that a very mature nine-year-old should be forced to wait a few years before she steps into adulthood, or that a typical nine-year-old should be allowed into adulthood before she's anywhere close to ready? (Hint: It's the second one.)

Yes, some things can/should be changed. Lowering age of consent IS NOT ONE OF THOSE THINGS.

She might be .......but seriously in all honesty that is my answer not everything is black and white, not every line is straight, we need to be flexible in our judgment and decision's and look at each case individually on it's own merits!

Really your probably right she was most likely not ready for it in which case this is sad and he should be punished but we don't know that for certain children can be incredibly smart.

As for that adult problems again their is adoption and if she is mature enough to partake willing in the event then those problems aren't really there.

As which is worse the second one is, but were not talking about a world were we have the ability to choose like that, things like this will happen and we have to look at all possible facts ^_^

 

[AuronFtw]

Third world countries are third world. Is this really news?

 

[Baron von Blitztank]

Is it sad that I'm not surprised in the slightest?

 

[Milanezi]

I'm more concerned with the logistics of the situation. How does a 9 year old get time away from a guardian to actually have sex in the first place?

This is some seriously irresponsible parenting.

And sadly something that happens more and more nowadays, worldwide.
Now everyone is also treating the girl as if she has no blame, only because she's 9 years old. Ok, everyone knows, there are MANY kids around that age who think they are badass adults, and do what they do willingly even if they do not fully comprehend the extent of their actions. Kids nowadays, especially those whose parents don't look after as they should (or sadly CAN'T look after as they should) - obviously -, are not that innocent anymore.
HOWEVER, obviously, the agent was 17 years old and she was NINE, I refuse to believe he didn't know her age or something (some 14 years old can pass for 18, bringing all types of controversy in court), and even if she isn't a saint HE should have refused to engage into sex. In my opinion, this is Statutory Rape, meaning it doesn't matter if she was ok with the act or not, he's old enough to know better, meaning he took advantage of her stupidity at least, or downright raped her (which I don't think was the case).

Well, one should consider that you are dealing with Mexico, you said you have seen 14 year olds who pass for 18. Well, the age of consent in Mexico only 12 years old. Now, I dont make a habit of trying to guess preteen girls ages, but I probobly would fail to recognize the differences in two folk of those two ages, particularly of hispanic origin who mature faster than others

TWELVE YEARS OLD??? Well, then his lawyer might have the classic, "he didn't know, he couldn't tell the difference, nobody asks for an ID to date" excuse. Holy shit TWELVE? That's sorta... Low...

 

[Dangit2019]

Umm, I hope that she and the child are okay, but that is pretty messed up.

 

[soren7550]

I find it highly disturbing the number of people defending pedophilia and saying 'it was (probably) consensual, so why care?'.

A nine year old is in no way shape or form ready for sex and childbirth, no matter how you try to cut it. I damn well knew about sex and the like when I was that age, but that doesn't mean that I was in any way ready for any kind of sexual encounters. Want to know why? Because nine year olds are not developed enough for it, physically or mentally. Even knowing about sex, all I cared about and could comprehend was Pokemon, Harry Potter, and some basic schooling.

Keep in mind, this girl couldn't even comprehend that she was seven months pregnant (not mentally ready) and they had to perform a c-section because her pelvis was too small to pass a baby (not physically ready). Even at twelve (Mexico's age of consent for some reason), a child isn't prepared for these things. The father is a pedo and a rapist even if it was consensual, because the girl is underage by law. Hell, I'd still have a problem with it if she was twelve, because a child still isn't mentally/physically ready for these things.

And using 'undocumented cases of people having sex with minors around the world all the time, so why is this so special?' as an argument is beyond stupid. One cannot really point to something that they have no real evidence of happening and say 'that's wrong'. However, it's a lot easier to do when there's documented proof of it happening.

 

[Berithil]

[HEADING=3]How?![/HEADING]

[HEADING=2]What?![/HEADING]

[HEADING=1]I don't even...[/HEADING]

[HEADING=1]WHAT IS THIS?!!![/HEADING]

How is this even possible?

I didn't even know it was physically possible for a 9 year old to give birth. The body isn't supposed to be developed enough at that age!!!

That's not even accounting for how wrong a 17 year old "dating" a 9 year old is. And here I though that young middle schoolers dating was a bit weird.

I need to go lie down.

 

[Belated]

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So... much... pretentiousness...

Okay, not that the story isn't a big deal, because it certainly is. But nobody has ever heard of any of those things. I'm just saying. You may be over-estimating the popularity of your internet persona juuust a bit.

Well, she's not the youngest person to give birth [http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2011/10/the-youngest-person-to-ever-give-birth-was-only-5-years-old/], but a body that young certainly isn't designed for it. I really hope her parents don't force her to carry it to term, because it could have serious medical implications for her. But knowing Mexico, they probably will. (Don't give me that look. It's not offensive if it's true. They're a very Catholic people.)

 

[Little Gray]

So she's nine, but she didn't realize she was pregnant untill the seventh month? Just how big was this kid? I'm talking about the "mother", fyi.

But then maybe people mature super fucking fast down in Mexico, due to all those hormones they put in their chicken.

Pregnancy is different for everybody and some people dont gain all that much weight.

 

[NightmareExpress]

At first, I thought it was wrong.
But then again, I don't know the facts and am left to assume.
Perhaps it was a decent relationship? He wanted to raise the child with the mother up until she said no, and left to avoid the inevitable fallout. If it were like most other rape cases that I've studied about, wouldn't he have bailed the second he found out or after "the deed" was initially done?

Though there is no doubt that she was taken advantage of to some extent (or rather, a great extent because this isn't "just a little extent") in this case. She's nine. Completely incapable of viewing things in the same capacity that someone nearly twice her age is able to.

Don't agree with any of it, but I'm certain there's worse things that could have happened.
Though then again, he could have just been baiting her into some abandoned shack to rid of the evidence.

 

[AlbertoDeSanta]

Jesus fucking Christ. I've just tried to type two sentences. Words can not describe the amount of what going through my mind.