Next Gen is now out and its a massive 'meh' for both consoles

[Fonejackerjon]

BOTH the xbox one and PS4 are out and both quite frankly are a resounding 'meh' nothing exciting of ground-breaking from either party and I hear gamers say 'give it time, launch games always suck' to that I say BULLSHIT launch games ALWAYS should show something that the hardware is capable off, but none show next gen quality. PS vita had uncharted golden abyss - amazing looking game, PS3 HAD Resistance it looked awesome, psone had wipeout again MASSIVE leap from SNES.

So what can we hope for? 1080p 60FPS and even that is proving a struggle.

Another argument I'm gonna blow out of the water, 'developers need time to get used to the hardware' REALLY? REALLY its PC hardware!!! developers have been using it for years they have made it as simple as possible for developers and the games do not look that different from last gen.

Gamers seem to be clutching at straws 'the next gen is about bigger and better worlds' there is no proof of this people are buying on blind faith.

I fear the honeymoon period may be over soon, yes both consoles will sell a shit-ton but ONLY to hardcore gamers but in 1 year 2 years or even 3 years something better will come along. They actually NEED the casual gaming market to survive and I dont think they have it this time round

What the big three have failed to realise is that the world will not stand still for them for the next 7-10 years especially now. Sorry if this sounds negative but its the truth.

You know, I was actually hopeful that Kinect 2.0 would bring about a leap in tech. Just read the reviews of fighter within to dash that hope entirely.

I'm not trolling but I just feel in 2013 sticking a $60 disc in a machine while it grinds into action seems like such a dated idea.

 

[shootthebandit]

I usually wait about a year before i get a console. its cheaper, all the issues have been ironed out and devs have had time to make good games

considering GTA 5 was released on current gen and gran turismo 6 will be released on PS3 only. These are the only 2 games ive been waiting on for ages and ill get loads of game time out of both of them. considering GT 6 has over 1200 cars (each with unlimited amounts of tweaking) and over 100 circuits (plus user made circuits and an app to track your own GPS data to race routes youve actually driven). Im sure this isnt too exciting if you arent into cars or motor racing but for me this is gonna be amazing.

 

[Maximum Bert]

Well there is nothing for me on consoles at the moment that make me want to invest Xbox One has Killer Instinct which I am really interested in but its definitely not a finished game in its current state apparently whats there is good but whats there is not a lot, also the Xbox One is way to expensive for me atm there is no way I am dropping 429 GBP on a console.

PS4 has nothing I want at the moment but when Guilty Gear hits I will definitely consider getting one.

WiiU is finally looking up with Bayonetta 2, X and Super Mario 3D land lined up it may end up being the console I get first out of the next gen machines but I am also waiting for it to go under 200 pounds first.

Diminishing returns has been around for a while it happened last gen with the jump from Xbox to 360 and PS2 to PS3 yes there was a difference but it wasnt like the NES to the SNES to the PS/N64 level of difference.

I think consoles will do fine this gen probably better than ever to be honest and the line between hardcore and casual gamer will become even more blurred I know quite a few people who are buying a PS4 purely for one or two games and thats all they will play really they wont buy many games a year but they still play. Casual gamers never have and never will buy many games if the market was dependant on them it would have collapsed years ago.

Also nothing wrong with using discs in machines its a tried and tested method so why not? Many dont have great internet or have internet caps like myself so I much prefer disc based games If I had to download an 8GB game it would take a few days and god knows what a 26GB or 50Gb game would take plus it would take me way over my cap and cost me a fortune. No point tossing out something that works just because we can also get it digitally more choice is always better.

 

[ShinyCharizard]

PS3 HAD Resistance it looked awesome

Take off the nostalgia goggles there mate. Resistance did not look awesome, it looked hardly better than a PS2 FPS.

Also it's only been a few days since they released, give it some time before you condemn both consoles, do you remember just how long it took the Xbox 360 and PS3 to hit their stride?

 

[Fonejackerjon]

I usually wait about a year before i get a console. its cheaper, all the issues have been ironed out and devs have had time to make good games

considering GTA 5 was released on current gen and gran turismo 6 will be released on PS3 only. These are the only 2 games ive been waiting on for ages and ill get loads of game time out of both of them. considering GT 6 has over 1200 cars (each with unlimited amounts of tweaking) and over 100 circuits (plus user made circuits and an app to track your own GPS data to race routes youve actually driven). Im sure this isnt too exciting if you arent into cars or motor racing but for me this is gonna be amazing.

You make good points, and yes the PS3 had a bad start and had some of the most amazing games this generation but I really cant help but feel its different this time. I still think that in 3-5 years time phone and or tablet will match or even beat the power of the PS4 and xbone and the games will be cheaper and have far more consumer friendly models.

Battlefield 4 $60 plus $35 for season pass and that my friends is the future of the next gen right there to get the FULL intended gaming experience you will be pay $85 per game what idiot in their right mind would do that?

 

[TelHybrid]

Casuals will still buy it. They can't keep releasing Call of Duty and Fifa on 360/PS3 forever.

I'm calling it now, the next gen consoles will bring one big change, something that PC has had for a while, something I refer to as pay to play.

Known as its more marketable term "free to play" or "f2p", this model gives the player a glorified trial version of a game, in which the player's progress is slowed down to turn what should be fun into a test of patience.

Anyway the fact these games are readily available in some form and have the appeal of "well... it's free" gets people downloading them. Downloading!

Optical media will gradually cease to be used for games.

 

[sanquin]

Optical media will gradually cease to be used for games.

I doubt it. And if it does happen it will be VERY gradual. There are still far too many people, me included, that want physical disks. No matter what companies try to force on us.

OT:
I already thought of all 3 consoles as 'meh' even before release. They might have some fun new features and some flashy new menu's and interactive gimmicks. But in the end it's the 'next gen feel' and games that matter. And right now none of the games feel next gen. And the line up for all 3 consoles isn't good enough for me to want to buy any of them either.

I might sound like a PC elitist with this, but I really am glad that I have a PC right now. I can decide how powerful it is, what it can and can't do, and have an overall better selection of games. At least for the moment.

 

[TelHybrid]

Optical media will gradually cease to be used for games.

I doubt it. And if it does happen it will be VERY gradual. There are still far too many people, me included, that want physical disks. No matter what companies try to force on us.

OT:
I already thought of all 3 consoles as 'meh' even before release. They might have some fun new features and some flashy new menu's and interactive gimmicks. But in the end it's the 'next gen feel' and games that matter. And right now none of the games feel next gen. And the line up for all 3 consoles isn't good enough for me to want to buy any of them either.

I might sound like a PC elitist with this, but I really am glad that I have a PC right now. I can decide how powerful it is, what it can and can't do, and have an overall better selection of games. At least for the moment.

You're probably right. I think digital downloads will become the standard/norm for games though, with discs being somewhat of an after thought.

I also echo your sentiment with your other points. In regard to next gen feel of games, the majority of their launch titles are available for current gen consoles, so that's a big part of it.

In regard to your point about PC, I completely agree, particularly with the selection of games. The fact I can still play games from the 90s (without the need to re-purchase a re-optimised version) on the same machine I play Far Cry 3 on is great. I got my old disc copy of Fallout earlier and installed it, and through the wonders of community patching, got it working. Huzzah!

captcha: knuckle down

How fitting. I have a fair bit of work to get on with.

 

[Vylox]

I don't get the appeal of them.
I also don't see much of an improvement in hardware capabilities. My 2 year old tablet has better graphics and processing power than either the PS4 or XBox1.

 

[Ed130 The Vanguard]

Optical media will gradually cease to be used for games.

I doubt it, as long as the likes of Gamestop and trade-ins exist digital distribution for consoles will remain an afterthought for many.

Which would an average consumer perfer? Going to a shop for a $40 game with the ablity to get some credit back if the game is ass or spend $60, eat up a hefty chunk of bandwidth and no ablity to exchange?

 

[Sniper Team 4]

Both consoles were 'meh' for me when they were first announced because the only game I saw that got me excited was Kingdom Hearts III, and that's not for a long time. Otherwise, I saw nothing in terms of games coming soon that made me excited, and thus I wasn't excited for either console. If they had made them backward compatible, so I could play my old games while I wait for a game a want to come out, then I could justify spending that much money because the thing wouldn't be collecting dust while I waited.

 

[Hero of Lime]

Same here, even when I don't plan to get certain consoles launch day, I feel some kind of excitement. This time, I felt no sense of hype. I will get them both eventually, but as of right now, it's like you said, incredibly "meh" all around. I felt more excitement for the Wii U, while it too didn't warrant launch day excitement, I felt more excited. Nintendo is my favorite of the three, but I usually jump on the hype train for other new consoles too.

 

[loc978]

I kinda felt that way about last gen. The PS3 had some nifty hardware at the time (especially the blu-ray drive at a time when those things cost a grand or more), but that was the only thing of note in the entire generation to me (since I scoff at online multiplayer with a console).

...more of the same, only with half-decent specs instead of good specs this time.

That said... they'll sell, and they'll be successful. Both of 'em. No accounting for taste... they're really as much a fashion accessory as an entertainment device. Rather like the iPhone.
Just glad it's finally happening. Bring on the next round of PC hardware releases. They've upped their game to that of the midrange budget system, time to make things that can outrun four of 'em at once.

 

[[Kira Must Die]]

I'm planning on getting a PS4 later next year, perhaps for my birthday, and maybe a Xbox One later on, once more games come out. I'm getting a WiiU instead for Christmas and maybe a 3DS, as there's more games I'm interested in on Nintendo's side.

 

[Eve Charm]

It's fun new tech. The launch games are pretty much what most people wanted out of last gen consoles with better graphics and more functionality. Really it just feels like of a lot of outside looking in, I don't see most owners of the systems not enjoying them.

 

[Something Amyss]

I hear gamers say 'give it time, launch games always suck'

Gamers are bad consumers. A large chunk will justify buying something they want, even if they have to deceive themselves, berate others, or make excuses for the companies behind the process.

I kinda felt that way about last gen. The PS3 had some nifty hardware at the time (especially the blu-ray drive at a time when those things cost a grand or more), but that was the only thing of note in the entire generation to me (since I scoff at online multiplayer with a console).

The BD function was a primary reason to buy it at the time. It's still a well-rated and solid BD player.

I still waited a year. I got a bundle with a BD movie and a game, and there were several games out by then.

Recent launches really have been lackluster. PS3 at least had the novelty of BD, but that doesn't seem like much of an excuse now.

The other problem here is that it wasn't just the launch that was lackluster. The PS360 gave us smaller, browner games as standard. We saw dozens of franchises shooterfied. We saw a rise in the refusal to take risks.

This should have been a hint for this gen. But what do I know?

*quietly hugs computer*

 

[faefrost]

Having lived through all of the major "console generation" launches. Meh! Is pretty much how they typically go. Improvements almost always are more incremental than spectacular.

 

[insertcleverphrase]

Optical media will gradually cease to be used for games.

I doubt it, as long as the likes of Gamestop and trade-ins exist digital distribution for consoles will remain an afterthought for many.

Which would an average consumer perfer? Going to a shop for a $40 game with the ablity to get some credit back if the game is ass or spend $60, eat up a hefty chunk of bandwidth and no ablity to exchange?

Well yeah, so long as the console makers keep being asshats and don't introduce steam style prices and sales on digital games... yeah. Digital SHOULD be cheaper than retail, yet isn't, what gives? just greedyness really, $ony and M$ could have squashed used games ages ago by doing this, yet they haven't. When was the last time you saw PC game disks for sale at retail? You can get them but they are not in nearly the demand that they used to be, and often they will just be the steam version so you don't have to download all of it on bandwidth.

 

[Ed130 The Vanguard]

Optical media will gradually cease to be used for games.

I doubt it, as long as the likes of Gamestop and trade-ins exist digital distribution for consoles will remain an afterthought for many.

Which would an average consumer perfer? Going to a shop for a $40 game with the ablity to get some credit back if the game is ass or spend $60, eat up a hefty chunk of bandwidth and no ablity to exchange?

Well yeah, so long as the console makers keep being asshats and don't introduce steam style prices and sales on digital games... yeah. Digital SHOULD be cheaper than retail, yet isn't, what gives? just greedyness really, $ony and M$ could have squashed used games ages ago by doing this, yet they haven't. When was the last time you saw PC game disks for sale at retail? You can get them but they are not in nearly the demand that they used to be, and often they will just be the steam version so you don't have to download all of it on bandwidth.

Considering EA's head of their own distribution service Origin stated "I just think it (Steam sales) cheapens your intellectual property" a year ago I'm thinking its more stupidity than anything.

There is also the theories that there is some form of collusion/blackmail between the publishers/console manufacturers and Gamestop and the issues that such a distribution system faces on a closed platform.

 

[insertcleverphrase]

Optical media will gradually cease to be used for games.

I doubt it, as long as the likes of Gamestop and trade-ins exist digital distribution for consoles will remain an afterthought for many.

Which would an average consumer perfer? Going to a shop for a $40 game with the ablity to get some credit back if the game is ass or spend $60, eat up a hefty chunk of bandwidth and no ablity to exchange?

Well yeah, so long as the console makers keep being asshats and don't introduce steam style prices and sales on digital games... yeah. Digital SHOULD be cheaper than retail, yet isn't, what gives? just greedyness really, $ony and M$ could have squashed used games ages ago by doing this, yet they haven't. When was the last time you saw PC game disks for sale at retail? You can get them but they are not in nearly the demand that they used to be, and often they will just be the steam version so you don't have to download all of it on bandwidth.

Considering EA's head of their own distribution service Origin stated "I just think it (Steam sales) cheapens your intellectual property" a year ago I'm thinking its more stupidity than anything.

There is also the theories that there is some form of collusion/blackmail between the publishers/console manufacturers and Gamestop and the issues that such a distribution system faces on a closed platform.

Exactly, rather than using cheaper digital to supplant used games they want to get rid of used games AND have expensive digital. I is greedy and anti consumer, also stupid, very stupid.
Essentially the 'cheapening speech' reveals that they are mad at valve for accually competing rather than just jumping into the existing duopoly.