Yeah, fuck those retailers! Oh..but how will we sell consoles if we give a big middle finger to retailers?insertcleverphrase said:
Next Gen is now out and its a massive 'meh' for both consoles
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It's really not that hard to figure out, man. Try putting 2 and 2 together before making ridiculous blanket statements.
The PS3 and 360 have an installed base of almost 150 million combined. No publisher is going to spend tens of millions of dollars on AAA development without tapping that enormous market - not when the next-gen base is something like 4-5 million. Developing exclusively for 8th gen won't be financially viable until the combined user base for PS4 and XB1 is something like 15-30 million.
There was honestly no way the initial round of releases for PS4/XB1 were going to be anything other than a bunch of slightly prettier PS3/360 ports. We honestly won't see anything noteworthy from the next-gen until they completely abandon the last one. At that point, the rising tide should raise all ships - including PCs.
The PS3 and 360 have an installed base of almost 150 million combined. No publisher is going to spend tens of millions of dollars on AAA development without tapping that enormous market - not when the next-gen base is something like 4-5 million. Developing exclusively for 8th gen won't be financially viable until the combined user base for PS4 and XB1 is something like 15-30 million.
There was honestly no way the initial round of releases for PS4/XB1 were going to be anything other than a bunch of slightly prettier PS3/360 ports. We honestly won't see anything noteworthy from the next-gen until they completely abandon the last one. At that point, the rising tide should raise all ships - including PCs.
You kinda just sniped all of my points leading up to my theory about pay to play (f2p) games easing people in gradually and becoming the standard payment model.Ed130 said:
I think it will take a good long time, but I really think it will happen.
Hell the new consoles have the ability to prevent used games from working without a license purchase, which will be at the discretion of the publisher.
Is this your first console launch? Because it sounds like your first console launch.Fonejackerjon said:
The xbone and ps4 launch is going exactly how people expected . The community has been talking about this for close to a year now. No one is surprised because we have gone through console launches time and time again. Most games on launch suck, because devs have not had enough time to reach the consoles potential. This is going to be remedied in about 1-2 years , usually around the time when the price drops about 50$-100$.
It happens every time.
Firstly 1080p @ 60p is possible on the PS4 and Xbone in the exact same way it is possible on the 360 and PS3. Both the 360 and PS3 are capable of rendering at 1080p with 60FPS it is just that designers CHOOSE to make the games look better rather than have them run smoother. There is a trade-off and console developers prefer to add more eye-candy than have better performance or higher resolution, probably because they think console gamers notice eye-candy most. The same has happened with the new consoles and perhaps it will continue that way. Demand all games run at 1080p @60FPS and they will make that a target.Fonejackerjon said:
Secondly console devs have not necessarily had years working on PC hardware. They have been programming games for the 360 and PS3 which are fundamentally different from PC architecture. The fact that the coding is taking place on desktops is irrelevant. Even though many console games are ported to PC, especially larger titles, often console developers do the bare minimum, if any optimization for the platform as they deem it secondary and not worth the effort. In short - they aren't used to the architecture. Furthermore while the PS4 and Xbone are related to PC architecture it isn't the same - both are using glorified mobile CPUs.
I hope it lives up to the expectations. But to be safe, I intend on waiting a month or two to see the full reaction before breaking my "5 game minimum" rule before buying a console for a single game.Maximum Bert said:
Why I think the New Gen is slower, is because both consoles use HDCP. And all the Let's Play content creators hate it. Sure they said they plan to patch it out, but seriously, if they were truthful then they wouldn't have included that feature to begin with.
They've only been out for a little bit, I think it's a bit early to call "meh" on the whole damn thing. Hell I don't even plan on really buying any next gen console until a year or two goes by so that they can actually have games I want on them.
The VITA is a handheld and other than Uncharted, the launch games were meh. Resistance wasn't that great. And if you had actually played Ghosts and BF4 on the current gen and the next gen you would realize just how much better the graphics are. And really, that is all this seems to be about.Fonejackerjon said:
There is also the fact that console gaming is, and has been, super-saturated for quite some time. Add in the fact that this is the first time the two leaders in the field go head to head with launches.
This was the same mentality at the beginning of the previous gen when 360 and PS3 came out. This hypothesis never materialized. You have to understand that consoles serve a niche market with a niche purpose. According to the masses, every misstep taken by them has to do with the fact that they try to change what ain't broke.Fonejackerjon said:
Regardless of this being true, you seem to assume that they stand still. They didn't this last gen.Fonejackerjon said:
Bad software doesn't make the hardware bad.Fonejackerjon said:
So are automobiles fueled by petrol...Fonejackerjon said:
Well, there are a few points in terms of graphics.
1) Diminishing returns. We're hitting the point where adding a few more polygons is not going to make a big difference. It's not going to be noticeably better just at a glance.
As a point of fact, just one Helghasht in Killzone: Shadow Fall has 40,000 polygons in it. It looks good, but just glimpsing it probably won't make you think it noticeably better than what a PS3 could do.
2) The systems just came out. There's always a bit of a evolution in terms of graphics. You can expect later games to look better.
3) A lot of current games are available on PS3 and 360. They won't look much better on PS4 or Xbox One. No developer is going to rebuild entire games like that.
Honestly, I don't expect the differences will be highly noticeable in the long run. Likely mostly be textures and particle effects more than anything. A friend of mine even said that he could see the difference in those qualities between the 360 and PS4 version of Battlefield 4.
Oh, also. Graphics aren't everything. I thought graphics were important to games when I was a child. Graphics need to work for the game. Not every game needs to be hyper realistic. It's real premature to be declaring it a lost cause at this point.
1) Diminishing returns. We're hitting the point where adding a few more polygons is not going to make a big difference. It's not going to be noticeably better just at a glance.
2) The systems just came out. There's always a bit of a evolution in terms of graphics. You can expect later games to look better.
3) A lot of current games are available on PS3 and 360. They won't look much better on PS4 or Xbox One. No developer is going to rebuild entire games like that.
Honestly, I don't expect the differences will be highly noticeable in the long run. Likely mostly be textures and particle effects more than anything. A friend of mine even said that he could see the difference in those qualities between the 360 and PS4 version of Battlefield 4.
Oh, also. Graphics aren't everything. I thought graphics were important to games when I was a child. Graphics need to work for the game. Not every game needs to be hyper realistic. It's real premature to be declaring it a lost cause at this point.
You're making the faulty assumption that better graphics is just about more polygons. It's not, never was, and polygon count hasn't been that important in almost a decade.Saltyk said:Well, there are a few points in terms of graphics.
1) Diminishing returns. We're hitting the point where adding a few more polygons is not going to make a big difference. It's not going to be noticeably better just at a glance.
As a point of fact, just one Helghasht in Killzone: Shadow Fall has 40,000 polygons in it. It looks good, but just glimpsing it probably won't make you think it noticeably better than what a PS3 could do.
If Bayonetta 2 and X turn out to be terrible I will be extremely dissapointed X especially is my most looked forward to game of the coming/current gen games.008Zulu said:
I didnt know about HDCP had to look it up it sounds pretty crap and I honestly dont see much reason for it except to piss people off. Im waiting for a sub 200 pound price point on WiiU and a sub 300 pound price point on PS4 and Xbox One or at least close to it. I do get discount so technically the WiiU and PS4 are close enough to my target price but Xbox One is way off which is a shame as Killer Instinct unfinished and content lacking as it is actually looks fun and is the only game I really really want to play on next gen atm.
This is something that people seem to forget, didnt Top Spin 2 run at 1080p at 60FPS on the 360 or something like that?Neyon said:
The games will become more demanding and the devs will start to cut on the framerate and resolution like they have always been, no way they will always try to keep 1080p/60fps in their games.
EDIT: Rayman Origins runs at 1080p on the 360 and PS3 for example
I never used to be a "pc elitist" but they are making it hard for those of us who do have gaming rigs. I can't help but wonder why I would buy a multiplayer game for the console and pay online fees when I can get it for the pc and play online for free.sanquin said:
The problem for years is that the consoles have been taking all of the crappy parts of pc gaming and neglecting to include any of the good features. This next gen seems to just dig them further into that hole.
I'm not saying that there's no way I will get a next gen console but there's going to have to be some really mindblowing exclusives.
The new Guilty Gear will be released for the Ps3 too, and you won't have to pay for the multiplayer if you ever want to play itMaximum Bert said:
That would have to be one expensive ass future gen phone or tablet. How long would the battery last before it completely crapped out? I think the future would just be streaming media boxes with gaming in them, and the server traffic would be abysmal. This is why I'm interested to see this steam machine idea. We need customized PC media bozes to compete with these other streaming media boxes, and still demonstrate user independence in gaming.Fonejackerjon said:
