Next Gen? Really? Then sort the damn controllers out!

[LornMind]

The 360's analogue sticks are like vaginas.

They are tight and receptive when first used, but too much fingering and they go all loose and floppy.

Good God...I've never heard such a fantasticly made metaphor!

IT ALL MAKES SENSE TO ME NOW!

 

[MiracleOfSound]

The 360's analogue sticks are like vaginas.

They are tight and receptive when first used, but too much fingering and they go all loose and floppy.

That was pretty grim. Accurate, but grim. though there are exercises that prevent that...

NO! Damn you to hell, Sound!

Maybe they'll fix this issue on the next gen consoles. see wut I did thar?

Yes come over to the dark side, young Alchemist...

Keigels don't work on controllers.

They can't get vaginal rejuvination either, so my reccommendation is when it goes all flappy just go get a new one to play with.

If you didn't google that, I'm ashamed of you.

But you did, so all is well!

That entire post was google-free, I assure you.

Simply a product of a dirty mind!

 

[ChromeAlchemist]

-snip-

Naw, see it's already been decided. You googled it, and I got to sleep soundly tonight.

Happy days. >_>

And I'm the product of a corrupted society on here! Only me! THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE! etc.

 

[MiracleOfSound]

-snip-

Naw, see it's already been decided. You googled it, and I got to sleep soundly tonight.

Happy days. >_>

And I'm the product of a corrupted society on here! Only me! THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE! etc.

What did I google lol

OK I admit it... I googled 'vagina'. It's about time I learned what that word meant.

 

[Treblaine]

Enough of your whining and just get an arcade stick for the Xbox 360 as your idea of somehow plugging in a Six-axis/Dualshock 3 controller into a 360 is just plain silly.

http://hardware.teamxbox.com/reviews/xbox-360/71/Mad-Catz-Arcade-GameStick/p1/

or

http://www.superufo.com/product_html/Xbox_1___360_Arcade_Stick.html?aff_id=24

Problem = solved

 

[Nutcase]

Enough of your whining and just get an arcade stick for the Xbox 360 as your idea of somehow plugging in a Six-axis/Dualshock 3 controller into a 360 is just plain silly.

http://hardware.teamxbox.com/reviews/xbox-360/71/Mad-Catz-Arcade-GameStick/p1/

or

http://www.superufo.com/product_html/Xbox_1___360_Arcade_Stick.html?aff_id=24

Problem = solved

You don't get it. Good arcade sticks cost in the neighborhood of $120 each. Two sticks (for a multiplayer game) easily cost as much as the console itself. Having to buy another pair of sticks for each console is nuts. Storage is a big problem, too.

If only a high-end stick manufacturer like Hori could secure permission from both Sony and Microsoft to make a stick that includes connectivity to both, I and a whole lot of other people would be glad to pay the $30 (or whatever the sum is) extra royalties which would avoid paying an extra $120 for a separate stick.

What I'm reading is that Microsoft is particularly dictatorial on what peripherals may and may not be made for the 360, even when the manufacturer has no problem shelling out the royalties. The proof is in the X-Arcade guys' products; they have adapters for their stick for every other system besides 360. So if it was just up to joystick manufacturers and Sony, the stick we want would exist already.

 

[Treblaine]

You don't get it. Good arcade sticks cost in the neighborhood of $120 each. Two sticks (for a multiplayer game) easily cost as much as the console itself. Having to buy another pair of sticks for each console is nuts. Storage is a big problem, too.

If only a high-end stick manufacturer like Hori could secure permission from both Sony and Microsoft to make a stick that includes connectivity to both, I and a whole lot of other people would be glad to pay the $30 (or whatever the sum is) extra royalties which would avoid paying an extra $120 for a separate stick.

What I'm reading is that Microsoft is particularly dictatorial on what peripherals may and may not be made for the 360, even when the manufacturer has no problem shelling out the royalties. The proof is in the X-Arcade guys' products; they have adapters for their stick for every other system besides 360. So if it was just up to joystick manufacturers and Sony, the stick we want would exist already.

Considering all the cheating that exists on consoles from peripherals I don't blame Xbox 360 at all for reserving the right to lock out certain peripherals.

And on the price thing, $120? Excuse me but the Madcatz Arcade stick is only about $20 compared to a spare Dualshock 3 controller for the PS3 that retails around $50

http://www.braigo.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=44

or

http://www.beegool.com/product_info.php?products_id=46980

Stop your whining with these multiplayer excuses, just give your mate your regular out-of-the-box gamepad for split screen multiplayer and tell him if he doesn't like it he can buy his own arcade stick and plug that it in next time he comes around. Online multiplayer, are you seriously going to buy an arcade stick for everyone you meet to play online?

BTW, don't blame the controllers because you don't have the skillz to play Ikaruga as you may just find you get your ass kicked just has hard by that game when using an arcade stick as with the out of the box gamead.

Ikaruga is a VERY HARD GAME!

You need to psyche yourself up and fine tune your reaction times and precision that is only going to be helped a tiny bit by an arcade stick. You need practice, dedication and an open mind as well as complete Zen like focus but if you are too fixated on blaming your tools for your own shoddy workmanship (even when dozens of other critics have favourably reviewed the game when playing using the standard gamepad) then you will never beat that game.

Another thing I'd ask you, you already want an arcade stick (or similar solution) for games you already have for the Xbox 360, why don't you just bite the bullet and get an arcade stick for that console? If you did, what games that are ONLY available on the PS3 REALLY need an arcade stick?

Littlebigplanet? I think not.

 

[Treblaine]

The only thing 'next-gen' about any of the consoles is (arguably) the Wii's motion detection system.

Excuse me but when did the generations of console development become defined by controller gimmicks and arbitrary improvements in rendering hardware? You do realise the 32bit 64bit and 128bit distinctions are almost completely irrelevant now?

Of course Xbox 360 and PS3 are a generation up from PS2 and Xbox.

 

[Antiparticle]

Yeah, the 360 controller's D-pad is totally inaccurate. I noticed that fairly quickly as well, to my disappointment. I grew up with NES and Mega Drive controllers so it was kind of a let down that my fancy new 'next gen' console doesn't even come with a properly functioning D-pad. Trying to play Pac-Man with it was endlessly frustrating, I kept going in a different direction than I was trying to go. So I bought a green 360 controller which supposedly has a superior D-pad (32 directions instead of 8), and I think it's a bit better... still doesn't feel as responsive as the classic D-pads though.

 

[Terramax]

You can't cross controllers because they are owned by rival companies. It will never happen, so just get used to buying different controllers for two different systems. Or you know, become filthy rich, buy the two companies, and force them to make them cross compatible.

Actually, there are ways of converting pads for different systems. I've seen these converters about. Whether they're legal is another thing.

Back to the original poster though, seriously, if you want to have fun with Ikaruga that bad then buy a arcade stick! There are ones available for the 360, and I'm sure there are plenty of other games they'll work well with (like fighting games).

OR why didn't you just keep Ikaruga for your Dreamcast/ Gamecube?

P.S. it's worth mentioning at this point that I'm a hardcore shmup fan, and a firm believer that an arcade stick is the ONLY good way to play a shmup.

*shrug* Don't honestly care whether you agree or not.

Then don't bother writing it. I'm with Treb, motion control is not next gen. It's not an improved way of playing videogames, just an alternative.

 

[Sightless Wisdom]

You know it's not entirely the controllers fault. The game itself could provide a sensitvity calibration option. Like most FPS games do. Easy soloution there eh?

 

[Treblaine]

Excuse yourself. What exactly defines 'next-gen' if not the hardware that allows for the next-generation of games? And when the hardware from said consoles, is actually lesser (in most cases) than currently available hardware for PC's...I consider that Last-Gen. Especially when rendering protocols patented and continually updated and released by one of the companies that make the friggin consoles (MS), leaves said newest rendering protocal out of said design of said machine. I call that last-gen also. Taking into account that nvidia had to work closely with MS to create 8800 cards, in order for Vista to take advantage of DX10, again, the consoles have last gen tech. *shrug* Don't honestly care whether you agree or not.

Your rambling definitions are completely arbitrary and irrelevant to the actual definitions of console generations.

It is quite simply the ORDER they are released and the nature of COMPETITION!

PS1, N64 and Sega Saturn were all released at a similar time with similar capability competing for the same target market. They all released their next GENERATION on consoles at similar times, one dropped out (Sega with Dreamcast) and another jumped in (Microsoft with Xbox).

If you are too hard headed to see beyond the semantics of DirectX 10 and the irrelevance of PC gaming then I will not waste my time or effort trying to explain it to you. I know your type, you are not open to information or different points of view, you have a ridiculous idea stuck in your head and nothing will shake it lose because you don't have the capacity and no one has the patience to deal with you.

 

[MiracleOfSound]

The only thing 'next-gen' about any of the consoles is (arguably) the Wii's motion detection system.

Excuse me but when did the generations of console development become defined by controller gimmicks and arbitrary improvements in rendering hardware? You do realise the 32bit 64bit and 128bit distinctions are almost completely irrelevant now?

Of course Xbox 360 and PS3 are a generation up from PS2 and Xbox.

Excuse yourself. What exactly defines 'next-gen' if not the hardware that allows for the next-generation of games? And when the hardware from said consoles, is actually lesser (in most cases) than currently available hardware for PC's...I consider that Last-Gen. Especially when rendering protocols patented and continually updated and released by one of the companies that make the friggin consoles (MS), leaves said newest rendering protocal out of said design of said machine. I call that last-gen also. Taking into account that nvidia had to work closely with MS to create 8800 cards, in order for Vista to take advantage of DX10, again, the consoles have last gen tech. *shrug* Don't honestly care whether you agree or not.

It is still very clear though that there is a huge difference technically and graphically between the PS3 and 360 and thier previous incarnations.

I dunno what any of the technical stuff above means but I know that the games look a lot better!

 

[Alcookie]

I do like the 360 controller but it makes fatalies on UMK3 near impossible.

 

[Nutcase]

Considering all the cheating that exists on consoles from peripherals I don't blame Xbox 360 at all for reserving the right to lock out certain peripherals.

And how exactly does it help 360 cheaters if a company that already makes 360 sticks adds PS3 compatibility to one of those sticks?

And on the price thing, $120? Excuse me but the Madcatz Arcade stick is only about $20 compared to a spare Dualshock 3 controller for the PS3 that retails around $50

http://www.braigo.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=44

or

http://www.beegool.com/product_info.php?products_id=46980

I said good sticks. Telling me to buy crap gear instead of the quality I'm used to is hardly a solution. Virtua Stick High Grade, TE Fightstick, those are good sticks. The Hori Real Arcade Pros I'm using now, those are good sticks.

Stop your whining with these multiplayer excuses, just give your mate your regular out-of-the-box gamepad for split screen multiplayer and tell him if he doesn't like it he can buy his own arcade stick and plug that it in next time he comes around.

Awesome plan. I'll be sure to tell all my friends and acquaintances who might drop by to import a stick for a console they don't own.

Besides, what does splitscreen have to do with this? I can't think of even *one* game I'd like to play with arcade sticks that has splitscreen.

Online multiplayer, are you seriously going to buy an arcade stick for everyone you meet to play online?

Now you are being retarded for no reason.

BTW, don't blame the controllers because you don't have the skillz to play Ikaruga as you may just find you get your ass kicked just has hard by that game when using an arcade stick as with the out of the box gamead.

Ikaruga is a VERY HARD GAME!

You need to psyche yourself up and fine tune your reaction times and precision that is only going to be helped a tiny bit by an arcade stick. You need practice, dedication and an open mind as well as complete Zen like focus but if you are too fixated on blaming your tools for your own shoddy workmanship (even when dozens of other critics have favourably reviewed the game when playing using the standard gamepad) then you will never beat that game.

Another thing I'd ask you, you already want an arcade stick (or similar solution) for games you already have for the Xbox 360, why don't you just bite the bullet and get an arcade stick for that console? If you did, what games that are ONLY available on the PS3 REALLY need an arcade stick?

Littlebigplanet? I think not.

I think you have confused me with someone who plays Ikaruga, has a PS3 and a 360. Maybe the OP?

 

[Guitarmasterx7]

I think it's less the controller and more the way the game mapped it. But I'm sure there are 360 controllers that resemble other things, and I THINK I saw a third party 360 controller that resembles a playstation one in a magazine a while back, though don't quote me on it, as I like the 360 layout and didnt look too far into it.

Also welcome to the escapist.

To put it bluntly, its *expletive deleted*.

Not sure if you didn't know or where just being courteous, but you're allowed to swear here. Happy posting!

 

[Treblaine]

Considering all the cheating that exists on consoles from peripherals I don't blame Xbox 360 at all for reserving the right to lock out certain peripherals.

And how exactly does it help 360 cheaters if a company that already makes 360 sticks adds PS3 compatibility to one of those sticks?

I said they reserve the right to block out any hardware they like. I have no idea about that company or their business practice and whether they sell cheating aids or if they ever submit to vetting their legitimacy.

If this is such a problem why don't you have it go the OTHER way? As in an arcade stick for Xbox 360 and have and adapter made to convert it to PS3 compatibility. But the other way it's just as hard right? Enough with your whining, it has always been true and will always be a fact that peripherals are usually locked down to one console.

And on the price thing, $120? Excuse me but the Madcatz Arcade stick is only about $20 compared to a spare Dualshock 3 controller for the PS3 that retails around $50

http://www.braigo.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=44

or

http://www.beegool.com/product_info.php?products_id=46980

I said good sticks. Telling me to buy crap gear instead of the quality I'm used to is hardly a solution. Virtua Stick High Grade, TE Fightstick, those are good sticks. The Hori Real Arcade Pros I'm using now, those are good sticks.

Those sticks I mentioned ARE good and have scored well in reviews, you are just being picky. If you want premium you will have to pay for it and you can't complain about the price especially if you are used to paying that much and when there is perfectly reasonably priced alternative of reasonable quality.

Stop your whining with these multiplayer excuses, just give your mate your regular out-of-the-box gamepad for split screen multiplayer and tell him if he doesn't like it he can buy his own arcade stick and plug that it in next time he comes around.

Awesome plan. I'll be sure to tell all my friends and acquaintances who might drop by to import a stick for a console they don't own.

Besides, what does splitscreen have to do with this? I can't think of even *one* game I'd like to play with arcade sticks that has splitscreen.

Sorry for the semantics, you know what I mean by split screen, both playing on the same console and looking at the same screen like Street fighter 4. I think you knew full well what I meant and are just being deliberately difficult *cough*troll*cough*.

So yeah, if playing offline multiplayer, just use your totally adequate $40 arcade stick, give your mate your spare gamepad and...

Online multiplayer, are you seriously going to buy an arcade stick for everyone you meet to play online?

Now you are being retarded for no reason.

Are you WHINING for no reason? Here:

BTW, don't blame the controllers because you don't have the skillz to play Ikaruga as you may just find you get your ass kicked just has hard by that game when using an arcade stick as with the out of the box gamead.

Ikaruga is a VERY HARD GAME!

You need to psyche yourself up and fine tune your reaction times and precision that is only going to be helped a tiny bit by an arcade stick. You need practice, dedication and an open mind as well as complete Zen like focus but if you are too fixated on blaming your tools for your own shoddy workmanship (even when dozens of other critics have favourably reviewed the game when playing using the standard gamepad) then you will never beat that game.

Another thing I'd ask you, you already want an arcade stick (or similar solution) for games you already have for the Xbox 360, why don't you just bite the bullet and get an arcade stick for that console? If you did, what games that are ONLY available on the PS3 REALLY need an arcade stick?

Littlebigplanet? I think not.

I think you have confused me with someone who plays Ikaruga, has a PS3 and a 360. Maybe the OP?

Well then what the hell are you Whining about then?

If you don't play Ikaruga or any game that needs the extra precision of an arcade stick then you are just being deliberately difficult in an online discussion (what rhymes with "hole" and begins with "T"?) and if you don't have both a PS3 and Xbox 360 then you have absolutely zippo problem with multiple compatibility of arcade sticks.
You left the impression you were in the same boat as the OP. Otherwise, just consider that paragraph for the OP.