Next Xbox Practically Confirmed "Always-Online"
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If it is, I can already see not the backlash from angry users who will still buy the console & the games legally until they just get used to it, but the huge boost in piracy it will make in the console's first year. It always starts with some hackers who like to "stick it to the man" & look upon DRM of any kind as a challenge. They will find a workaround, create an emulator, & start releasing hacked ROMs. Then people who want the games who avidly appose the Always Online will download the ROMS out of spite. I will freaking bet money on this.
Personally, as a PC gamer who plays a lot of MMOs, I don't really see the problem. It's server stability that you have to worry about. I guess also the lack of ability to play the game 10 years latter because the servers are down. But would it really kill online multiplayer games to convert into purchasable offline single player games when that time comes?
Personally, as a PC gamer who plays a lot of MMOs, I don't really see the problem. It's server stability that you have to worry about. I guess also the lack of ability to play the game 10 years latter because the servers are down. But would it really kill online multiplayer games to convert into purchasable offline single player games when that time comes?
10, 20 or 30 years? Wow! You are being overly optomistic. MS shut the servers supporting the original X-Box less than 2 years after the 360 released. Which right there shows the heart of the problem. I have a 1st Gen PS2 that I can still play every game I ever bought for it, no problems. I have a Dreamcast that I adore. 15+ years going strong. I have a Sega Genesis that still works and has enjoyable content. I think I bought it around 1990. I fully own them. They will only stop working when the hardware dies and I can no longer scrounge a replacement. I do not need Sega in order for my console to work. I have 2 consoles that have outlasted them by a human generation. But this new XBox? Even after a $500 purchase, Microsoft will still own it. The day THEY turn off the lights is the day it becomes a brick permanently and forever. No replacement hardware to be bought, no ancient Somic the Hedgehog cartridge to play. The day that their accounting department says it is no longer worthwhile is the day my property dies. I do not like that. None of us should.TheCommanders said:
It sucks enough that it has a delay when I turn the Xbox360 at the moment and I am having connection issues. What is it for? Just to show me ads? I could watch TV for that! I do not play online enough to justify having a subscription to Xbox Live, why should I pay twice for my internet connection? Pah!
I've never needed another reason to join the PC gaming master race.
That being said, nothing against Sony, but they've already won. They don't have the bullshit hardware they need to design for like the Wii U or the always online connection that'll piss people off. So yeah, PCs for me because they're actually no more expensive and do a hell of a lot more than just play games(though I will limit what I put on it for the sake of security). So yes, my next major purchase will be a 6 core gaming PC with a minimum of 8gb ram and preferably a 7700 series amd card or a 640+ series nvidia card. I can find this on Newegg for about 550-600 bucks. It'll even probably have an HDMI connection so I'd just need a HDMI cable to play it on my TV.
That being said, nothing against Sony, but they've already won. They don't have the bullshit hardware they need to design for like the Wii U or the always online connection that'll piss people off. So yeah, PCs for me because they're actually no more expensive and do a hell of a lot more than just play games(though I will limit what I put on it for the sake of security). So yes, my next major purchase will be a 6 core gaming PC with a minimum of 8gb ram and preferably a 7700 series amd card or a 640+ series nvidia card. I can find this on Newegg for about 550-600 bucks. It'll even probably have an HDMI connection so I'd just need a HDMI cable to play it on my TV.
As an Xbox gamer, the upcoming news about the next Xbox doesn't have me on the edge of my seat. I'm pretty happy I play games on PC and Wii U - as for console exclusives, I'll probably be picking up a PS4. Maybe. No backwards compatibility on it makes me more inclined to pick up a cheap PS3 instead so I can play all the PS games I missed over the past decade or so.Berithil said:
The problem is that the people who develop things like this are obviously people who live in worlds with a decent, always active internet connection... it ignore people like myself who get shifted from base to base in the forces, often forward deployed to units for courses and things where I CAN'T get the internet. And if I go spending a lot of money getting the internet installed for a few months before being posted again, it is really crap internet, because bases tend to be connected to the wider world through 1 hub for the entire base, and most of that is being used for our military systems!
Currently I have access to internet which maxes at 1MB/Sec... and that is really good for the forces! I can't even watch youtube in low res... without waiting the length of the video again in buffer...
I'll be sticking to the 360 and PS from now on if this comes into fruition.
Currently I have access to internet which maxes at 1MB/Sec... and that is really good for the forces! I can't even watch youtube in low res... without waiting the length of the video again in buffer...
I'll be sticking to the 360 and PS from now on if this comes into fruition.
I be PC fo' life blud, but some of my peeps just got a XBox for PES and Cricket. I don' think they even own a network cable. They is just in their living room with Mac books for playing fantasy football leauge.
They is not gonna want an always online XBox, innit.
They is not gonna want an always online XBox, innit.
Too much wishful thinking going on here.
M$ will probably succeed, because outside some small savvy audiences here and there, not nearly enough gamers care about consumer rights. The rise of DRM on the PC is enough indication.
Now if you quit to become a PC gamer, you'll likely buy more PC hardware and run windows on it. The upgrade cycle in PC land is what allows M$ to keep selling new versions of their core product, so M$ wins.
Consoles are sold at a loss and the markup on games have to make up for it, so when the people who only(or mostly) buy used, ignore the xbox and go to a competitor, M$ still wins.
You know you won't migrate to the WiiU, if you weren't interested on it already, so that only leaves Sony and they aren't too keen on used sales either, so don't get your hopes up.
Expect massive corporate dick to penetrate your hobby, so that way atleast you won't be disappointed in the next gen.
M$ will probably succeed, because outside some small savvy audiences here and there, not nearly enough gamers care about consumer rights. The rise of DRM on the PC is enough indication.
Now if you quit to become a PC gamer, you'll likely buy more PC hardware and run windows on it. The upgrade cycle in PC land is what allows M$ to keep selling new versions of their core product, so M$ wins.
Consoles are sold at a loss and the markup on games have to make up for it, so when the people who only(or mostly) buy used, ignore the xbox and go to a competitor, M$ still wins.
You know you won't migrate to the WiiU, if you weren't interested on it already, so that only leaves Sony and they aren't too keen on used sales either, so don't get your hopes up.
Expect massive corporate dick to penetrate your hobby, so that way atleast you won't be disappointed in the next gen.
Really IGN picking up a story from a tech blogger that has nothing to do with microsoft or then gaming industry is practially confirmation for you?.The guy must be loving the traffic to his blog because of these rumors it is like he saw something that would do that for him and just wrote that oh wait.Azaraxzealot said:http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/04/25/next-xbox-functionality-pricing-reportedly-outed
Welp, guess I was right to jump the console ship when I did. This is just infuriating, because they're alienating the majority of the current xbox fanbase which probably doesn't have fiber optic or comcast internet. I myself have to work on an internet with a 128 kb/s bandwith cap, and can't afford to have ANYTHING taking up bandwith if the rest of the household wants to even use the internet (especially my mother, who works from home a lot).
Yet they also say it's up to the publisher... so I wonder if the only games requiring always-online are going to be Activision games and EA games...
Anyways, I REALLY wish that the gaming press, upon Microsoft OFFICIALLY declaring it is always-online, would just boo the speaker off the stage, but I know that will never happen
I am fed up with everybody jumping on the rumor express at the moment and wont even humour any information until it comes out of microsoft mouth now.As i heard so many things ranging from always online,no disk drive and wont play used games that it is getting stupid.
I'm still going to wait until the big unveiling of the new console before passing judgement. But if the rumours are true, I do not truly know whether I shall return to my PC gaming roots or stay with consoles. Either way, you get short-changed by publishers whose greed knows no bounds. Hell, they're both as bad as each other sometimes - and that's not including the vocal gamers within those two cames.
But as an interesting footnote, an exodus of former 10 year old racist, sexist idiotic gamers from X-box Live headed toward the crowds of PC gamers, should if nothing else - make things a little more interesting. The question which begs to be asked is "Who is stuck with who?"
But as an interesting footnote, an exodus of former 10 year old racist, sexist idiotic gamers from X-box Live headed toward the crowds of PC gamers, should if nothing else - make things a little more interesting. The question which begs to be asked is "Who is stuck with who?"
On that subject you might find this enlightening:Meatspinner said:
Whether it's actually literally unuseable is to be disputed seeing as how plenty of my classmates use it, but he raises plenty of valid points especially when you talk about usability.
Hence why I don't really trust Microsoft if they really decide to go through with an always-online Xbox. Windows 7 was good enough but they're so on-and-off that I doubt their infrastructure is good enough to not have more than enough problems with an always-online system.
Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you!Spygon said:
Paul Thurrot is not just a blogger posting unofficial stuff, he's a blogger posting unofficial stuff that undercuts his previous unofficial stuff and appears to be the sole origin about many of these rumours. People are treating this as fact when it looks like it's a complete asspull.
Regardless of whether or not the rumour is true, this is a fairly decent point in general. How does patching things go on your console? It's an oft-slow thing on my broadband, which is much better than what you've got (Not that you can help it or anything, just saying).Elementary - Dear Watson said:
And Sony's slow as shiiiiiiit. I'm glad I have PS+, because it downloads the updates in the middle of the night.
Anyway, the problem of the executives being out of touch is a real one. The problem of an always-online console? Not so certain.
Oh god... What I tend to do is take it with me to my parents if I visit on the weekend and use their 50mb/s speed broadband instead...Zachary Amaranth said:
To get the internet on my xbox in the forces I have to route it through my laptop... which makes things unbearable! :/
Still going to stay with pc gameing anyway so does not matter to me, i kind of hope they do do it so they can show off how badly it works