Nicole Kidman Reportedly in Talks to Join "Wonder Woman"
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I hope they don't give Wonder Woman a female villain to fight. Like how Catwoman was a lady, so she has to fight Sharon Stone in a make-up factory, yeah?
Well...how much jello wrestling are we talking here?Johnny Novgorod said:
Also calling it here that Kidman will be either Hera or...oh what was Wonder Woman's adoptive mother's name? Her.
Eh, Cheetah was one of WW's recurring villainesses, and I thought she was cool, or at least when she was a big scary were-animal, and not a naked woman with spots.Johnny Novgorod said:
Yeah, it would be so much cooler to see Wonder Woman get in a violent face-punching contest with a male villain than a female one.Johnny Novgorod said:
Still, people are going to find something to complain about. Wonder Woman getting hurt by a man? Misogyny for the abuse of a woman. Wonder Woman getting hurt by a woman? Misogyny for condescending her below men. Classic Wonder Woman outfit? Objectification. New spandex bits to cover up her legs and chest? Slutshaming.
If the reaction to her character is mostly positive, rather than failing to meet the impossible and eternally contradicting standards feminism imposes, I will be sincerely impressed.
Exactly this. It's precisely why I can't help but roll my eyes and sigh whenever creators try to be politically correct (not chalking this case up to that, I just mean in general), because you can never succeed if your aim is to not offend anyone. This is why I appreciate and think more Western creators should emulate Japan with their "objectification material for everyone" and "no fucks given" policies.MeatMachine said:
I don't mean to turn this news into more topics on feminism (god only knows there's been plenty of that already,) but with Wonder Woman, it's kinda difficult to avoid.LysanderNemoinis said:
Ever since her conception as a character, Wonder Woman has had some... unique themes in her comics, particularly in her early days. I just hope people criticize her portrayal with a decent understanding of her history, and maybe even the history of the people and culture that brought her into existence. To quote her creator, "Not even girls want to be girls so long as our feminine archetype lacks force, strength, and power. Not wanting to be girls, they don't want to be tender, submissive, peace-loving as good women are. Women's strong qualities have become despised because of their weakness. The obvious remedy is to create a feminine character with all the strength of Superman plus all the allure of a good and beautiful woman."
To me, the most interesting thing about Wonder Woman is how she is simultaneously both very feminine, and very masculine... which is why I'm sincerely crossing my fingers to see her have the 21st century treatment of getting into bloody mortal combat with male adversaries, because god dammit, if any woman deserves to get punched by wicked men, it's Wonder Woman.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Moulton_Marston#Wonder_Woman
Johnny Novgorod said:
Because we all know how often male superheroes get to fight female villains who aren't femme fatales or henchwomen. At least if WW fights a woman, we'd have a female antagonist who's the big bad in her own right.LysanderNemoinis said:
I just hope they give her a combat style with the lasso that looks badass. I'm reminded of that scene in Iron Man 2, where Black Widow whips out this fiber cord and starts trussing up that guy with it. I could totally see a combat style like that working really well with Wonder Woman. Or something similar to the ball/chain combat style from Kill Bill, just minus the ball.
Hmm, actually, what rope based fighting styles do you people know about that would actually look cool with Wonder Woman? And I'm not talking about stuff that just gives an excuse for her to be all sexy and bendy, but a legit fighting style, incorporating a length of rope to confound/ensnare your opponent? I don't know of any by name, but I'm curious what styles they might use for the movie.
Hmm, actually, what rope based fighting styles do you people know about that would actually look cool with Wonder Woman? And I'm not talking about stuff that just gives an excuse for her to be all sexy and bendy, but a legit fighting style, incorporating a length of rope to confound/ensnare your opponent? I don't know of any by name, but I'm curious what styles they might use for the movie.
The Lasso also has far deeper powers than making someone speak the truth. She once caused a Nazi to suffer a breakdown by making him face the truth about himself.Happyninja42 said:
As for rop based martial arts
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoj%C5%8Djutsu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyhtrgSqVII
I remember seeing some anime/cartoons that had characters using ropes tied to stuff in combat, but can't think of any specific examples off the top of my head.Happyninja42 said:
That said, her using rope fighting techniques in close quarters would be pretty radical.
I'd really like it if she was a technical fighter just as much as a brawler. Normally characters that pass over a certain strength threshold just smach things with their fists(superman, anyone) rather than actually using combat technique.
Given that Wonder Woman was a trained warrior - as far as I remember - her having a ton of technique to better facilitate her super strength would be a pretty awesome twist on the whole shebang.
Doubt it would make it into Wonder Woman given how strongly it evokes its wushu origins, but if you've ever seen Shanghai Noon, Jackie Chan's character ties a horseshoe to a length of rope to make a rudimentary rope dart.Happyninja42 said:
Regarding how we might expect Wonder Woman to actually use her rope/lasso? Offhand, I'd imagine her to best evoke the Roman Laquearius gladiators, or at least our guesses about them. Which is to say, use the lasso to snare a foe and then finish them off with a sword.