So....it's been confirmed the switch's 'custom' chip is just the bog standard X1 released on nvidia shield tv back in 2013. At the time it cost 150 pounds in 2013!!. So effectively your paying ?120 extra for the joycons and same hardware in 2017! In fact the nvidia controller was superior! I really can't understand how nintendo gets away with pulling this shit and fans blindly defend them
Nintend switch has Standard X1 Chip released in 2013.
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Well in the case of the Switch people keep defending it because it's allowing them to play their console games on a handheld.
Considering the handheld features hold zero appeal for me I find the Switch a technologically inferior console. It lacked anything that could get me excited for it on release, and the more information we get about it after release the less interested I become, with this information being the final nail in the proverbial coffin the Switch is now dead to me.
I honestly think that the switch is terrible as a console, which is really too bad because this is the 3rd console generation that Nintendo hasn't appealed to me, despite the fact that I really love some of their games AND have nostalgia for their properties.
Considering the handheld features hold zero appeal for me I find the Switch a technologically inferior console. It lacked anything that could get me excited for it on release, and the more information we get about it after release the less interested I become, with this information being the final nail in the proverbial coffin the Switch is now dead to me.
I honestly think that the switch is terrible as a console, which is really too bad because this is the 3rd console generation that Nintendo hasn't appealed to me, despite the fact that I really love some of their games AND have nostalgia for their properties.
I Know they make great games but are utterly shit at hardware. They need to wake up and open their eyes, Nintendo go software only ffs!Dirty Hipsters said:
So the chip was priced individually at 150 pounds over 3 years ago and you think that is what Nintendo is paying for it now? No doubt the chip is cheaper now and since Nintendo buys in bulk it would be cheaper yet.Fonejackerjon said:
Oh give it a rest. Microsoft and Sony will inevitably follow Nintendo like they have in the past with everything from analog sticks to motion controls.Fonejackerjon said:
Plus, theoretically, the switch can output 4K video through the USB C. Streaming video, at the very least, if Ninty plays the licensing game with the HDMI folks. No HDR unless they upgrade the HDMI on the dock though.
Plus, I mean, you've got people willing to pay modders $300+ to put HDMI ports on 3ds's, to the idea that a $300 device that attaches to your TV right out the gate with rumored Pok?mon and Monster Hunter games would look very attractive.
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No, I think the entire nvidia shield tv cost 150 pounds in 2013, not just the chip. So 4 years later the Switch costs double while running the same hardware.WeepingAngels said:
According to Amazon, you're hilariously wrong: https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/Electronics-Photo/NVIDIA-Shield-16-GB-Android-Box-Controller/B015CM435IDirty Hipsters said:
EDIT: Although, in fairness, the newer one running the same chip only costs 190 pounds, so you're not as wrong, though amazon UK also has the switch for a theoretical 280 pounds.
It had to be really, with Nvidia helping develop it after their own experience with the Shield range. Wonder how long until we get a second Shield tablet with the X1 chip.
Of course you have to remember the Shield box isn't portable with its own screen like the Switch, although Nvidias K1 tablet is about 200 with a controller, and not a lot less powerful.
Of course you have to remember the Shield box isn't portable with its own screen like the Switch, although Nvidias K1 tablet is about 200 with a controller, and not a lot less powerful.
The Shield does everything (except mobile[footnote]This might make the Switch entirely worth it to you. To me it's not much of a feature, but I can definitely see how it might be the main appeal for others[/footnote]) better alongside with extra capabilities the Switch doesn't have (such as 4k streaming). =/altnameJag said:
The "analog stick" (notice singular), sure. But Ninty then abandoned twin sticks after only 1 gen (I'm not counting the pro controller that one had to pay extra for. The default controller design was the wiimote and, if I'm being generous, the also peripheral nunchuck) and have yet to bring it back despite twin stick designs being the significantly better control scheme than waving plastic at a sensor and hoping it picks you up.WeepingAngels said:
"Motion controls" which were promptly ditched as the gimmick they are because they failed on the market. I also haven't seen to extra tablet controller take off either, have you?
Do we "know" that though? Like, for a fact? The Switch has all the hardware for it, in that it has equivalent hardware to the Shield TV, and it hasn't had any sort of streaming service launched on it.Avnger said:
oh wah wah! if all someone gives a crap about is how powerful their video gaming system is then they should just buy a decent PC. not a console.
oh and you say Nintendo "keeps getting away with it"? lol yeah sure. go look at Wii U's total hardware sales to date and then get back to me.
oh and you say Nintendo "keeps getting away with it"? lol yeah sure. go look at Wii U's total hardware sales to date and then get back to me.
Motion controls were never ditched. alot of Wii U games use them and 1, 2 Switch, Arms and Splatoon 2 are still making use of them on the Switch.Avnger said:
just because they aren't the focus anymore doesn't mean they don't get used anymore. they're just included often as a natural part of Nintendo's gameplay design now just like Touch Screens are.
I was referring to motion controls having been ditched by Microsoft and Sony. Angels made the claim that Microsoft and Sony are following Nintendo on them.Yoshi178 said:
Nintendo clearly hasn't given up on them yet. The other two essentially have.
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Reading problems? I said:
So to assist your understand of this seemingly difficult quote. Microsoft and Sony have followed Nintendo in the past and I expect them too again. However, did you miss that the Dual Shock 4 has that light bar for the purpose of tracking it in a 3D space, just like the Move controller? Did you also miss that Microsoft was forcing Kinect on users at the beginning of this gen? So it seems like you are just wrong all around. Your strawman was unsuccessful both because you misrepresented what I said AND because what you claimed I said (and said that it was false) wasn't false at all.
How does this really shock any of you? WE knew from the very beginning that the Switch was going to be very weak compared to the other console hardware out there. Which by the way, PS4 and Xbone were also underpowered as fuck when they launched. That's why Microsoft announced the Scorpio so quickly and doesn't seem to give two fucks about people continuing to support the base Xbone. And Sony released a PS4Pro just about as quick as they fucking could.
Nintendo has been underpowered in the console market since the Wii. They put all the effort into making a powerful box in the Gamecube and the GC did fuck all for them. So now they are basically on the bandwagon of being gimmicky as hell. Let's face facts here, the motion controls of the Wii was a gimmick, the Wii U handheld thing was a gimmick, and the Switch being a portable is a gimmick. Nothing more.
For fuck's sake I can play almost all my PS4 games on my Vita, with a better battery-life! Granted the Vita doesn't actually have to run the processes that the Switch does, but you would think that Nintendo would have made some kind of effort somewhere right? Either by making it powerful enough to run 60fps 720p console games, or by having a battery powerful enough to support decent play sessions, or how about putting the charge cable in the TOP of the system!?
Right now we cannot judge how successful the Switch will end up being, but we can all look at the device and see the uncanny number of terrible design choices. I mean they didn't even put a proper blu-tooth device in the left joycon, so it can't maintain sync. It fails at being a home console unless to spend 80 bucks extra for a proper controller, it fails at being a mobile unit because of poor battery life, poor charger connection location, err......
Okay it doesn't completely fail, but it doesn't do any of the things it was promised to do all that well. Wanna game on your TV there are better consoles for that. Wanna game on the go? There are better devices for that.
Nintendo has been underpowered in the console market since the Wii. They put all the effort into making a powerful box in the Gamecube and the GC did fuck all for them. So now they are basically on the bandwagon of being gimmicky as hell. Let's face facts here, the motion controls of the Wii was a gimmick, the Wii U handheld thing was a gimmick, and the Switch being a portable is a gimmick. Nothing more.
For fuck's sake I can play almost all my PS4 games on my Vita, with a better battery-life! Granted the Vita doesn't actually have to run the processes that the Switch does, but you would think that Nintendo would have made some kind of effort somewhere right? Either by making it powerful enough to run 60fps 720p console games, or by having a battery powerful enough to support decent play sessions, or how about putting the charge cable in the TOP of the system!?
Right now we cannot judge how successful the Switch will end up being, but we can all look at the device and see the uncanny number of terrible design choices. I mean they didn't even put a proper blu-tooth device in the left joycon, so it can't maintain sync. It fails at being a home console unless to spend 80 bucks extra for a proper controller, it fails at being a mobile unit because of poor battery life, poor charger connection location, err......
Okay it doesn't completely fail, but it doesn't do any of the things it was promised to do all that well. Wanna game on your TV there are better consoles for that. Wanna game on the go? There are better devices for that.
When did the X1 that was from 2015 not 13 suddenly become the crap chipset some people are trying to make it out to be?
I hardly think its 'bog standard' either, im pretty sure softwear wise that chip has had a shit ton of extra stuff done to it.
I hardly think its 'bog standard' either, im pretty sure softwear wise that chip has had a shit ton of extra stuff done to it.
Here's what Nintendo needs to do in order to be taken seriously again.
- Release a console that is identical, inside and out, to the xbox one. Just put a big red N on it so people know its Nintendo's.
- Discontinue all Big N franchises, only babies play those.
- Release a yearly grey and brown shooter full of DLC and a crappy single player campaign.
- Focus ENTRELY on graphics and make sure that gameplay is as boring and simplistic as possible, wouldn't want to alienate the primary gaming bro crowd!
-Hype all new games to death, but deliver on nothing and make sure that the new games are as buggy and broken as possible.
- Make sure you get every new Uisoft, EA, and Warner Bros. game on your console, because everyone knows those are the best developers.
If Nintendo does all these things I might pick up their next console on a sale for 49.99 and 6 pack in games.
- Release a console that is identical, inside and out, to the xbox one. Just put a big red N on it so people know its Nintendo's.
- Discontinue all Big N franchises, only babies play those.
- Release a yearly grey and brown shooter full of DLC and a crappy single player campaign.
- Focus ENTRELY on graphics and make sure that gameplay is as boring and simplistic as possible, wouldn't want to alienate the primary gaming bro crowd!
-Hype all new games to death, but deliver on nothing and make sure that the new games are as buggy and broken as possible.
- Make sure you get every new Uisoft, EA, and Warner Bros. game on your console, because everyone knows those are the best developers.
If Nintendo does all these things I might pick up their next console on a sale for 49.99 and 6 pack in games.