Can someone explain to me why we're expecting this generation to last 10 years? It looks to me like the standard has been 5-6 years, so why would this gen be any different?
As long as a console is still receiving new games I consider it to still be alive. The PS3 has been out for 7 years now and is still going to be supported by Sony for the next couple of years. The PS2 was still getting new games until this year, and the PS1 still got new games up until 2004. The standard for the actual company supporting it might be 5-6 years, but a console doesn't die the moment a new one comes out, unless it is a Nintendo one it seems because they drop support of their old consoles way to quickly sometimes...
Because even though that's what SHOULD happen (mostly because I don't see the point in cycles being so short), history dictates otherwise. Thing is, just like the 7th gen gen, we're probably going to see 3rd parties complaining prematurely because they didn't pace themselves properly. I really don't get why this obsession with power started. No one ever really complained that the PS2 wasn't enough, nor did the do the same with the PS1, the Super Nintendo, or the Nintendo. It's kind of odd
While 3rd parties are getting more and more power, you seem to be grossly overestimating what the console manufacturers will actually do for them. None of the console developers would gladly make a new console just to appease 3rd parties once they "complain" as you put it, because in all honestly they won't survive without them, unless they were to go to PC and we've all seen how well that goes. The only one that probably could would be EA and even then they'd take major hits.
Also, when in the 7th gen did the 3rd parties start "complaining" like you say they did? If you mean it only because of the Wii then that's because the Wii then that's really not good enough because in all honesty the Wii having only 88 MB of memory for games was extremely crippling in anything that could be done really, making ports more difficult or near impossible since the Wii couldn't load everything for it. Hell the reason why DLC was never a thing for the Wii, besides not having a place to host it, was because the memory restrictions for it would have overloaded the console. Look at the memory problems that Bethesda had for the PS3 for example.
Nah they just need to do the 2DS thing, make a cheap version of the same shit just to make people perk up their ears again especially now that WiiU is in consumer terms out of fashion as it came before the "really new" consoles.
Now ideally they could pull it off by christmas and go toe to toe with the others, especially if they can get the price down (no parent will drop half a grand on Xbox if 200 or less will do for Wii2), but that is a tall order in this short period.
And for the love of god make some commercials that make sense, all you fucking advertised so far is the damn tablet, guess what people who don't follow you religiously think WiiU is just a damn tablet... which they already have.
Can someone explain to me why we're expecting this generation to last 10 years? It looks to me like the standard has been 5-6 years, so why would this gen be any different?
mainly due to the Tech being but into the console is very modular. Most consoles are very static in terms of software but the 4 and 1 have a much more internet focus so then there predecessors so they can modify and update the software at anytime.
Nah they just need to do the 2DS thing, make a cheap version of the same shit just to make people perk up their ears again especially now that WiiU is in consumer terms out of fashion as it came before the "really new" consoles.
Now ideally they could pull it off by christmas and go toe to toe with the others, especially if they can get the price down (no parent will drop half a grand on Xbox if 200 or less will do for Wii2), but that is a tall order in this short period.
And for the love of god make some commercials that make sense, all you fucking advertised so far is the damn tablet, guess what people who don't follow you religiously think WiiU is just a damn tablet... which they already have.
I am pretty sure the Wii backwards compatibility is all software, not hardware. It doesn't cost them anything to put it in. Or at least that is my understanding.
Well Nintendo has taken away backwards compatibility in the past, in this case see the Wii Mini and the 2011 Wii redesign that striped the Wii of being backwards compatible with the GameCube, but that's really the only main selling point that the Wii U has over the other 2 consoles so removing that would be suicide as there aren't nearly enough games to ever warrant that. Plus the Wii U technically can read the GameCube's mini-DVD discs, it's just that Nintendo locked it out since there is no real way to plug in a GameCube controller into the Wii U. Although I could also see it more that they might start putting GameCube games on the eShop and essentially pull a Playstation in that case, which I wouldn't mind because the price of GameCube games can be outrageous at times online.
DrOswald said:
I am pretty sure the Wii backwards compatibility is all software, not hardware. It doesn't cost them anything to put it in. Or at least that is my understanding.
You are correct, it's mainly just software. Especially in Nintendo's case since they use a proprietary drive for their systems, the Nintendo Optical Drive, and what it can and can't read is purely encoded in the software. It's why some people have hacked their Wii U's and showed that it can be done, but the main problem is the lack of a controller port for the Nintendo GameCube, although the work around for it that people have done has them use PS3 controllers from what I've seen.
I mean Christ, did we all forget about how the PS3's initial launch was so bad that they had to sell both their US headquarters just to make a profit? This is on top of the fact that the PS3 took MUCH longer to get off the ground than the Wii U, and unlike Nintendo, they didn't even have the benefit of making millions off of their handheld division.
The Wii U is nowhere near that level of being dropped. If the PS3 can sink 5 billion dollars on the company and still pull through after 3 years, than the Wii U, which is only losing Nintendo a couple million (easily recouped by their handheld division) can go through 3 years and still be fine.
*snip*
Although I could also see it more that they might start putting GameCube games on the eShop and essentially pull a Playstation in that case, which I wouldn't mind because the price of GameCube games can be outrageous at times online.
Well Nintendo has taken away backwards compatibility in the past, in this case see the Wii Mini and the 2011 Wii redesign that striped the Wii of being backwards compatible with the GameCube, but that's really the only main selling point that the Wii U has over the other 2 consoles so removing that would be suicide as there aren't nearly enough games to ever warrant that. Plus the Wii U technically can read the GameCube's mini-DVD discs, it's just that Nintendo locked it out since there is no real way to plug in a GameCube controller into the Wii U. Although I could also see it more that they might start putting GameCube games on the eShop and essentially pull a Playstation in that case, which I wouldn't mind because the price of GameCube games can be outrageous at times online.
DrOswald said:
I am pretty sure the Wii backwards compatibility is all software, not hardware. It doesn't cost them anything to put it in. Or at least that is my understanding.
You are correct, it's mainly just software. Especially in Nintendo's case since they use a proprietary drive for their systems, the Nintendo Optical Drive, and what it can and can't read is purely encoded in the software. It's why some people have hacked their Wii U's and showed that it can be done, but the main problem is the lack of a controller port for the Nintendo GameCube, although the work around for it that people have done has them use PS3 controllers from what I've seen.
You can purchase an adapter for the gamecube controller to connect to a wiimote, it reads it as the classic controller I think. This is not a Nintendo approved product however, and I have not yet seen a review on it yet. But I know of a speed runner who purchased one for potential use for SSB4 and I am thinking of picking up a couple for myself if he says they work well.
You can purchase an adapter for the gamecube controller to connect to a wiimote, it reads it as the classic controller I think. This is not a Nintendo approved product however, and I have not yet seen a review on it yet. But I know of a speed runner who purchased one for potential use for SSB4 and I am thinking of picking up a couple for myself if he says they work well.
You can purchase an adapter for the gamecube controller to connect to a wiimote, it reads it as the classic controller I think. This is not a Nintendo approved product however, and I have not yet seen a review on it yet. But I know of a speed runner who purchased one for potential use for SSB4 and I am thinking of picking up a couple for myself if he says they work well.
Already have it, in fact I've been telling Wii U owners on this forum and others about it and how awesome it is. Thing what I meant before though was that Nintendo has no way to have people connect the controller directly to the console, which is what they'd want.
*snip*
Although I could also see it more that they might start putting GameCube games on the eShop and essentially pull a Playstation in that case, which I wouldn't mind because the price of GameCube games can be outrageous at times online.
Okay, Sunshine I can see getting and needing a nice little HD update, however Super Mario Galaxy definitely does not need an HD remake since they already look just fine, especially on the Wii U. Plus I get a bit weary about Nintendo and HD because while Wind Waker HD was great, it used a bit too much bloom, and Nintendo seems to use bloom like how J.J. Abrams uses lens-flare: too much! >.<
And anything N64 definitely can use an HD remake though because the N64's graphics have aged quite poorly when compared to the GameCube's. Although Nintendo only needs to do an HD remake of 1 thing and I can guarantee that it'll sell like crazy, okay 2 HD remakes:
I mean Christ, did we all forget about how the PS3's initial launch was so bad that they had to sell both their US headquarters just to make a profit? This is on top of the fact that the PS3 took MUCH longer to get off the ground than the Wii U, and unlike Nintendo, they didn't even have the benefit of making millions off of their handheld division.
The Wii U is nowhere near that level of being dropped. If the PS3 can sink 5 billion dollars on the company and still pull through after 3 years, than the Wii U, which is only losing Nintendo a couple million (easily recouped by their handheld division) can go through 3 years and still be fine.
Because drama is more appealing than logic. The idea of Nintendo being on a rollercoaster that has tons of financial pitfalls and dangers? That's exciting. The truth of Nintendo not really having anything to worry about financially due to how they do business, completely boring.
Nah, at best the Wii U will end up being a Gamecube in terms of sales. Not a huge success, (though the Gamecube was still sucessful) but still not a total failure. It wouldn't be wise for Nintendo to drop the console, though it will probably have a short lifespan. Plus, Nintendo has the war chest to survive a console flop, and like you said, the 3DS is a total success.
Pretty much this, I honestly think the Wii U is just another GameCube for Nintendo really, and while there isn't anything wrong with that, there are many things that they could do to make it so that it sells more than the GameCube, but they just don't seem to be doing it. Mainly in this case the lack of advertising.
Exactly, the media blitz Nintendo went on for the Wii was an excellent marketing strategy. I'm amazed they did not try to replicate it with the Wii U. The console is starting to get the games now, problem is the average consumer either does not know it exists, or think it's just some kind of tablet add-on for the Wii.
You can purchase an adapter for the gamecube controller to connect to a wiimote, it reads it as the classic controller I think. This is not a Nintendo approved product however, and I have not yet seen a review on it yet. But I know of a speed runner who purchased one for potential use for SSB4 and I am thinking of picking up a couple for myself if he says they work well.
Already have it, in fact I've been telling Wii U owners on this forum and others about it and how awesome it is. Thing what I meant before though was that Nintendo has no way to have people connect the controller directly to the console, which is what they'd want.
*snip*
Although I could also see it more that they might start putting GameCube games on the eShop and essentially pull a Playstation in that case, which I wouldn't mind because the price of GameCube games can be outrageous at times online.
Okay, Sunshine I can see getting and needing a nice little HD update, however Super Mario Galaxy definitely does not need an HD remake since they already look just fine, especially on the Wii U. Plus I get a bit weary about Nintendo and HD because while Wind Waker HD was great, it used a bit too much bloom, and Nintendo seems to use bloom like how J.J. Abrams uses lens-flare: too much! >.<
And anything N64 definitely can use an HD remake though because the N64's graphics have aged quite poorly when compared to the GameCube's. Although Nintendo only needs to do an HD remake of 1 thing and I can guarantee that it'll sell like crazy, okay 2 HD remakes:
It's actually been speculated that the reason why DK64 never actually got a VC release was because of the original glitch that was the main problem with the base cartridge in the first place, and which was why DK64 came with the memory expansion pack in the first place.
Depending on how long the console cycle lasts, that mat be the perception. And in any field that relies on consumer confidence, perception is as powerful as (sometimes moreso than) reality.
"When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."
A line from The Man Who Shot Liberty Vallance. A much better way of saying it than I could. If people think it's true, it might as well be true. An early exit from this generation, therefore, could shake Nintendo's consumer image and/or confidence.
But hey, howabout actually trying to get people interested in what they've got going? They don't really need a hardware update. Maybe games and marketing.
I suspect people are unhappy with the fact that the Wii U is a "bad" system and want a do-over. I suspect a heavy dose of wishful thinking is involved.
I mean Christ, did we all forget about how the PS3's initial launch was so bad that they had to sell both their US headquarters just to make a profit? This is on top of the fact that the PS3 took MUCH longer to get off the ground than the Wii U, and unlike Nintendo, they didn't even have the benefit of making millions off of their handheld division.
The Wii U is nowhere near that level of being dropped. If the PS3 can sink 5 billion dollars on the company and still pull through after 3 years, than the Wii U, which is only losing Nintendo a couple million (easily recouped by their handheld division) can go through 3 years and still be fine.
Yeah, this has been getting on my nerves for a long time. I don't have any numbers to back this up, but I doubt Nintendo is actually losing money at the time. The Wii U is doing quite poorly, but they did make a profit from selling console in the start. The success of the Wii, the DS and the 3DS give them financial stability and seeing the 3DS is still about 85% of the handheld gaming market I'd say it will continue to do so.
Dragonbums said:
Give me an HD remake of DK64. No joke. It needs to happen.
I'm not really sure how this works, but I think DK64 might be stuck in copyright limbo since Rare made it and they own parts of the game (Kritters and animals I think) and they now belong to Microsoft. However I remember reading a rumour that Rare was open to make a new Donkey Kong game and that Microsoft didn't have any objections to it. Seriously, I want DK64, either as a port or a remake, I don't care. Only demand is to get it on the Wii U and not the 3DS (I want to play on a big screen).
I mean Christ, did we all forget about how the PS3's initial launch was so bad that they had to sell both their US headquarters just to make a profit? This is on top of the fact that the PS3 took MUCH longer to get off the ground than the Wii U, and unlike Nintendo, they didn't even have the benefit of making millions off of their handheld division.
The Wii U is nowhere near that level of being dropped. If the PS3 can sink 5 billion dollars on the company and still pull through after 3 years, than the Wii U, which is only losing Nintendo a couple million (easily recouped by their handheld division) can go through 3 years and still be fine.
Yeah, this has been getting on my nerves for a long time. I don't have any numbers to back this up, but I doubt Nintendo is actually losing money at the time. The Wii U is doing quite poorly, but they did make a profit from selling console in the start. The success of the Wii, the DS and the 3DS give them financial stability and seeing the 3DS is still about 85% of the handheld gaming market I'd say it will continue to do so.
I stand corrected then. I had heard somewhere it was selling at a profit, but I never actually checked to see if it was true. That's what I get for simply trusting information without bothering to check sources.
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