Nintendo Confirms Work is Underway on New Consoles

[Colt47]

"We want to do what we wanna do, not follow the crowd".

Well you're right Miyamoto, you're not following the crowd, you're leading it. Well, at this point you've shown them the way, and then got stepped on as they've done what you do better.

Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty, Fifa and NBA can all technically be criticized of remaking the same game every year, but the dollars show that they're doing it a hell of a lot better than you guys are.

The dollars can show a lot of things, but it won't always show you who's best. You've mentioned four games, of which one is generally a buggy piece of shit if not trash, one caters to people who treat themselves and others like trash, in addition to being trash itself, and two are about bloody sports; If I want to watch a bunch of people compete to see who can do the best improv injury, I can just turn on the telly and watch any sports game for about five seconds, complain about how sports is now 100% about the money and 0% about the game, and then go turn on my DS and play Mario, a game that, while yes it is the same iterations over and over again, consistently works, consistently looks good, and most importantly, is consistently fun. Yes CoD and AC and all those others at least go to the trouble of trying to innovate every year - it doesn't work. I would rather have five games with the original AC's mechanics than the shite we ended up with. That's what Mario and Legend of Zelda and Metroid and Pokemon all have over most other games - they consistently succeed at accomplishing what should be the core goal of any game produced: They're actually fun to play, and I actually want to play them again instead of wiping my memory of the past five hours.

The issue isn't the franchises being named, but the fact that the companies churn out those games because they sell rather than because the developers have pure passion for the game in question. When the first Assassins Creed was developed it had a lot of love behind it along with the original Call of Duty titles and those sports games. For a long while reality has set in, with marketing wanting more games under those names because they print money even though the original developers have been done with the titles for ages.

 

[Kahani]

Well, I mean, this isn't much of a surprise. Consoles don't just spring up over night.

Exactly. New consoles take several years to design and produce - the Wii U took at least 6 years, the Xbone had development models out at least two years before its actual release, and the PS4 took at least 5 years, starting development less than two years after the PS3 was released. The Wii U is over two years old now. Of course Nintendo are working on a new console, the only alternative would be that they're getting out the console game entirely.

 

[bug_of_war]

The dollars can show a lot of things, but it won't always show you who's best. You've mentioned four games, of which one is generally a buggy piece of shit if not trash, one caters to people who treat themselves and others like trash, in addition to being trash itself, and two are about bloody sports; If I want to watch a bunch of people compete to see who can do the best improv injury, I can just turn on the telly and watch any sports game for about five seconds, complain about how sports is now 100% about the money and 0% about the game, and then go turn on my DS and play Mario, a game that, while yes it is the same iterations over and over again, consistently works, consistently looks good, and most importantly, is consistently fun. Yes CoD and AC and all those others at least go to the trouble of trying to innovate every year - it doesn't work. I would rather have five games with the original AC's mechanics than the shite we ended up with. That's what Mario and Legend of Zelda and Metroid and Pokemon all have over most other games - they consistently succeed at accomplishing what should be the core goal of any game produced: They're actually fun to play, and I actually want to play them again instead of wiping my memory of the past five hours.

Dollars don't show quality true, but it shows what people are willing to pay for, and Nintendo is a slippin fast.

 

[Dragonbums]

The dollars can show a lot of things, but it won't always show you who's best. You've mentioned four games, of which one is generally a buggy piece of shit if not trash, one caters to people who treat themselves and others like trash, in addition to being trash itself, and two are about bloody sports; If I want to watch a bunch of people compete to see who can do the best improv injury, I can just turn on the telly and watch any sports game for about five seconds, complain about how sports is now 100% about the money and 0% about the game, and then go turn on my DS and play Mario, a game that, while yes it is the same iterations over and over again, consistently works, consistently looks good, and most importantly, is consistently fun. Yes CoD and AC and all those others at least go to the trouble of trying to innovate every year - it doesn't work. I would rather have five games with the original AC's mechanics than the shite we ended up with. That's what Mario and Legend of Zelda and Metroid and Pokemon all have over most other games - they consistently succeed at accomplishing what should be the core goal of any game produced: They're actually fun to play, and I actually want to play them again instead of wiping my memory of the past five hours.

Dollars don't show quality true, but it shows what people are willing to pay for, and Nintendo is a slippin fast.

Are they? They are posited to make big money off their Amiibo's this holiday season, they have been making a profit off the Wii U since the release of MK8, their smash game made millions combined in under 3 days, and they are predicting very high profit margins.

Not sure where the "slipping" is coming from.

Then again, Escapist has a thing for conveniently ignoring a lot of the good news that Nintendo has been reporting lately in favor of pointless clickbait and a taken out of context Miyamoto quotes.

 

[Shoggoth2588]

I wonder how long it'll take before something is revealed. I'm hoping the next console isn't a new Wii honestly but Nintendo no matter what Nintendo is going to launch next, it's not going to sell like a Sony or a Microsoft console. Either way, if this thing is revealed in 2015 I'm going to start referring to the Wii U as the Nintendo Saturn.

 

[bug_of_war]

Are they? They are posited to make big money off their Amiibo's this holiday season, they have been making a profit off the Wii U since the release of MK8, their smash game made millions combined in under 3 days, and they are predicting very high profit margins.

Not sure where the "slipping" is coming from.

Then again, Escapist has a thing for conveniently ignoring a lot of the good news that Nintendo has been reporting lately in favor of pointless clickbait and a taken out of context Miyamoto quotes.

Everyone is gonna be making big money this holiday season. Xbox One finally outsold PS4 for the month of November, pretty much any game slated to come out during the holiday season is guaranteed to at the absolute least break even.

Don't take me as someone who hates Nintendo, I don't. I just personally get sick of them acting like they're always being innovative and that they're somehow innately better than Sony or Microsoft.

 

[Dragonbums]

Everyone is gonna be making big money this holiday season.

Yeah but the point is is that they have been making a profit off the Wii u and other released titles long before the holiday season. Aside from the ususal profit loss of a new console release (with the PS4, and Wii being an exception to the rule.) Nintendo hasn't been slipping in any money. Sony on the other hand should be causing a lot more panic than Nintendo.

Xbox One finally outsold PS4 for the month of November, pretty much any game slated to come out during the holiday season is guaranteed to at the absolute least break even.

They outsold the PS4 because on Black Friday they basically made their Xbone bargain bin deals. While the competition did not. It's easy to outsell your competitors when your selling your product at a much lower price point that everyone else.

Don't take me as someone who hates Nintendo, I don't.

I never implied such but alright.

I just personally get sick of them acting like they're always being innovative

How do you act innovative? At least they put their money where their mouth is and actually try something different every time. Besides every innovation started off as a gimmick.

and that they're somehow innately better than Sony or Microsoft.

When has Nintendo ever made a stance that they were innately better than Sony or Microsoft? The closest I've seen the big three make any jabs at each other was Sony towards Microsoft during their console reveal. Nintendo themselves hardly say anything, if at all about Sony or Microsoft.

 

[bug_of_war]

Yeah but the point is is that they have been making a profit off the Wii u and other released titles long before the holiday season. Aside from the ususal profit loss of a new console release (with the PS4, and Wii being an exception to the rule.) Nintendo hasn't been slipping in any money. Sony on the other hand should be causing a lot more panic than Nintendo.

http://www.theverge.com/2014/5/7/5689878/nintendo-earnings-fy-2013

If you don't wanna go to the website, here's basically my point: "Nintendo reports third consecutive annual loss as Wii U sales fizzle out"

Yes, this was early this year, but it kinda adds to my point that Nintendo are starting to show signs of fatigue, and that fatigue is rubbing off on gamers.

They outsold the PS4 because on Black Friday they basically made their Xbone bargain bin deals. While the competition did not. It's easy to outsell your competitors when your selling your product at a much lower price point that everyone else.

It also helps that for every one Xbox there were 3 PS4s before the day...but either way, sales are sales, and I don't see the Wii U beating the Xbox currently. Well, they could be, but I haven't seen anything saying it has been.

How do you act innovative? At least they put their money where their mouth is and actually try something different every time. Besides every innovation started off as a gimmick.

By saying that you've done something innovative when in reality you're just doing something someone else has done before already.

Example: 3D technology, 2DS, the Wii U game pad...

Apple are pretty good at acting as though they're the most innovative people in the world too.

When has Nintendo ever made a stance that they were innately better than Sony or Microsoft? The closest I've seen the big three make any jabs at each other was Sony towards Microsoft during their console reveal. Nintendo themselves hardly say anything, if at all about Sony or Microsoft.

While they haven't exactly outright said that they are, there have been articles publishing how they basically think they're better than their opposition because they try different things.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/138624-Nintendos-Miyamoto-Says-Other-Devs-Making-Boring-Samey-Games

That right there's one example...

 

[Gladion]

While they haven't exactly outright said that they are, there have been articles publishing how they basically think they're better than their opposition because they try different things.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/138624-Nintendos-Miyamoto-Says-Other-Devs-Making-Boring-Samey-Games

That right there's one example...

That there is not just one example - it's the only example, and he didn't say anything controversial anyway. Why is Miyamoto, who is in large part responsible for resurrecting the medium in the 80s not allowed to say that out? It is clearly consensus within consumers, it is clearly the truth. Is he not allowed to say things like this because it makes the other kids in the park look bad?

And really, if your competitors have always copied everything you popularized (d-pad, analog stick, controller rumble, motion controls, touch pad controls, arguably even freaking GOOD level design - once in 2D and once more in 3D), you do get some bragging rights.

I realize this reads like fanboy talk, and maybe there is a hint of that in it (though I'm chiefly a PC gamer nowadays and don't even have a WiiU), but I don't see what could be wrong with what I wrote there.

 

[bug_of_war]

That there is not just one example - it's the only example, and he didn't say anything controversial anyway. Why is Miyamoto, who is in large part responsible for resurrecting the medium in the 80s not allowed to say that out? It is clearly consensus within consumers, it is clearly the truth. Is he not allowed to say things like this because it makes the other kids in the park look bad?

And really, if your competitors have always copied everything you popularized (d-pad, analog stick, controller rumble, motion controls, touch pad controls, arguably even freaking GOOD level design - once in 2D and once more in 3D), you do get some bragging rights.

I realize this reads like fanboy talk, and maybe there is a hint of that in it (though I'm chiefly a PC gamer nowadays and don't even have a WiiU), but I don't see what could be wrong with what I wrote there.

I think he has every right to say what he thinks, I just find it quite funny that he says it right when his own company is doing poorly compared to the competitors. It's like, "Well done, you did something different, but nobody really wants it so why should I applaud a failure?".

I just think that doing something different doesn't always mean you should be applauded for doing so.

 

[Gladion]

I think he has every right to say what he thinks, I just find it quite funny that he says it right when his own company is doing poorly compared to the competitors. It's like, "Well done, you did something different, but nobody really wants it so why should I applaud a failure?".

I just think that doing something different doesn't always mean you should be applauded for doing so.

Eh, doing poorly compared to its competitors is not really true, I think. Nintendo is actually making money off of their (crushingly few) console sales and it actually has a handful of exclusives that are worth having.
But yeah, considering overall sales, they're doing (significantly) worse. That has nothing to do with their gamemaking philosophy, though, you have to admit. Their games aren't failures, not by a long shot. It's more about apparently poor business practices and the decision not to partake in the hardware race any more which all have led to a retraction of third party support.

 

[bug_of_war]

Eh, doing poorly compared to its competitors is not really true, I think. Nintendo is actually making money off of their (crushingly few) console sales and it actually has a handful of exclusives that are worth having.
But yeah, considering overall sales, they're doing (significantly) worse. That has nothing to do with their gamemaking philosophy, though, you have to admit. Their games aren't failures, not by a long shot. It's more about apparently poor business practices and the decision not to partake in the hardware race any more which all have led to a retraction of third party support.

Of course it doesn't, whilst I've only got a 2ds (and solely to play pokemon) most of their games that I have played are pretty fun and very well polished. It is, as you've said, their marketing and business practices that is really sorta what I'm criticizing. The way they introduced the Wii U is probably the most recent and blatant one to point out, seeing as how a majority of people believed it was just a new controller for the Wii and not an entirely new console itself.

But yeah, I don't hate them, and I certainly think their games are fuckin' good, I just find that their image is starting to go course and it's mostly to do with their inability/unwillingness to adapt to the new era of gaming. It's somewhat admirable, but not something I can really applaud.