Maybe some of us want our eyes to be protected from the disgusting female form. Did you ever think of that, hmmm??
just keep the shirtless guys shirtless, k?
Nintendo continue to protect your eyes from disgusting female form.
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No. No it isn't. I've censored my own work in the past and there was nothing murky about it. I did it of my own free will because I knew that everyone would hate it, and in the end as I looked back on it, I myself grew to hate it. A lot of times censorship is a judgement call.slo said:
That's a very black and white look on it, and the world is never that simple.
The claim that all censorship is inherently murky is to claim that all change made to a piece of work/fiction is somehow bad. As if the first thing anyone ever creates is the most perfect and pure ideal of writing/fiction/creation and all else after is a disgusting disgrace.erttheking said:
I urge you to write any 400+ word anything and, without ever backspacing or changing anything, release it for public consumption on a public forum.
I can't help but think people who make the 'all change is censorship' argument have never actually written a piece of public consumed writing on a non-moderated place before in their lives. At least not anything they've put passion into.
Either that or they're the 'I'm not being mean I'm just being honest' type of people.
Either that or they're the 'I'm not being mean I'm just being honest' type of people.
Listen to this guy Nintendo!Bad Player said:
Durrrr. I dumb. Sorry, I just thought that that had come off as more of a response to slo's pointsAngelblaze said:
I'm not so sure about that. If we return to the previous Fire emblems then I see very reasonable changes, all the more so because the censored material was already very divisive to the traditional fanbase. The infamous skinship may have been altered not out of mistrust but because there legitimately isn't a way to translate such a weird concept to the west. The magic powder that ''cures your gays'' in a same vein could also be changed because the concept is just all around ridiculous.slo said:
To be a bit more cynical Those changes might also have happened because the things getting censored had already served their use to the product. I'm not one to judge but the people that things like skinship appeals to are a very specific group that group is the largest in Japan. Skinship and the yuri and Yahoi girls were there to collect that sweet Otaku money and with the Japanese release that goal was reached. Is there a thriving Otaku community in the west? Sure, in America there is(I'm not to sure about Europe) but its likely to be smaller then the amount of people putt off by the new weirdness.
I'm not sure there's anything intellectually dishonest about properly understanding that a word has been used to the point of any meaningful sense that one might derive from it has been lost. There's a reason that words change meaning with time, and that's use. A dictionary is a lagging indicator of language. It's a nice starting point, but slavishly appealing to the dictionary tends to serve to miss the actual use of language.slo said:
There's a reason people roll their eyes when "censorship" claims come up, and that is very likely to alter the way the word is weighed in future versions of the dictionary. Well, dictionaries, because there's no one governing body.
People threw a fit when "literally" had a definition added to include figuratively as a possible meaning, but "literally" had literally meant been used to mean "figuratively" by literally everyone for literally my entire life. I'll let people figure out from context which of those literaly uses was literal and which ones were figurative.
And, I mean, you still get people who pedantically pull the "I don't know what you mean because it's not the dictionary definition of literally" even now, even though the people railing against its use are clearly aware of the common parlance.
And then there's more narrow parlance. In gaming circles, "censorship" appears to mean "they changed something in a way I don't like."
So when "censorship" is used in a gaming topic on a gaming site, it's natural that its actual use in time by real people will come up. Ergo, here we are.
Also, the definition you chose to use:
Would enter into fact things which we have no knowledge of. Has Nintendo stated their reasoning? Maybe I just missed it in my Google search, but unless you have information not available in this thread or the link, then it's not exactly what it means, you're assuming. And it's a great example of the way lexicon works, too. Isn't it wonderful that one doesn't actually have to pick the correct word, and people will understand the meaning conveyed? We understand words like "exact" or "literal" are often hyperbolic within communication.slo said:
As is "censorship."
Christ, I don't even finish my writing on a first pass. I very literally know I'm going to miss things, so I create a skeleton, then go back and add meat and other stuff. Oh, and I often take out parts I don't like before anyone else reads it.Angelblaze said:
I think it might be more accurate to say "They changed something for the perceived (accurate or not) reason of not offending some group due to the suggestive content, whatever it might be." Some people do simply point out the change, like the OP here, trying to point out the contradictory nature of their alterations, missing some parts, but not others, etc. The OP doesn't seem offended by it, more so confused at the inconsistency of it I think.Something Amyss said:
Granted, most of the people who then respond to such threads tend to fall into the "changed it in a way I don't like" category, but it's not always the case.
I don't understand why so much censorship with this game considering it is so focused on its niche audience that it isn't even been dubbed. If it was on 3DS maybe given that the core audience of the console are kids but that's not the case of the WiiU
Geez like really Nintendo. Acting like you can't go to a beach or pool and see the same outfit. If someone can't have self control with an animated character, then how can they with a real life person. And this is only a tiny part of whatever else NoA did to this game.
Keep in mind, when they changed the design of Mobius Final Fantasy's main character to make them less sexy, there was no howling cry about censorship.. because said character was male. Funny that, making women less sexy is bad to these people, but making men less sexy is totally ok.Happyninja42 said:
Did 4Kids get absorbed into Nintendo when I wasn't watching? Because they're the only ones that would do editing that actually harms how the game looks. That final image looks god-awful after the edits, not to mention I had to read the description to see why they did it. They ruined an entire image because if you look very closely, you can catch a glimpse of her underwear. Jesus Christ.
The first one also looks to be confusing as hell. Since the guys are all clearly acting surprised at her appearance, making the swimsuit make much more sense than a rather covering outfit. What kinda of guy just sees a girl walking down the street wearing what she is and drops their jaw.
Short and sweet, completely pointless and moronic editing of things that don't need to be... still isn't censorship though.
The first one also looks to be confusing as hell. Since the guys are all clearly acting surprised at her appearance, making the swimsuit make much more sense than a rather covering outfit. What kinda of guy just sees a girl walking down the street wearing what she is and drops their jaw.
Short and sweet, completely pointless and moronic editing of things that don't need to be... still isn't censorship though.
I wonder if we're missing out on any foreign gaming gems simply because the producing company didn't think it would be worth the risk to their image to localize such controversial material.
#NotYourGoddess #WomynVsTropes #PillowTalkViolence #PinkNotInk
#NotYourExistentialHorror #GenderWageGap #RapeCulture #PyramidIsTheNewTrenchcoat
#NotYourPilot #WomynDriving #C-BodyShaming #CatSynonyms
Huh, all of the above franchises are dead in the U.S. Clover is gone and Konami is making Pachinko machines. Is it possible Nintendo might give foreign releases of other games the ax because of the expenses of localization?
#NotYourGoddess #WomynVsTropes #PillowTalkViolence #PinkNotInk
#NotYourExistentialHorror #GenderWageGap #RapeCulture #PyramidIsTheNewTrenchcoat
#NotYourPilot #WomynDriving #C-BodyShaming #CatSynonyms
Huh, all of the above franchises are dead in the U.S. Clover is gone and Konami is making Pachinko machines. Is it possible Nintendo might give foreign releases of other games the ax because of the expenses of localization?
I'm not sure those are the best examples considering Clover's games didn't see great sales anywhere, Konami is also hated by its Japanese game fans for what its been doing to its properties, and F Zero isn't exactly super popular in Japan either. Those three series are dead in both the West and Japan, unless you count the Silent Hill pachinko machine, which I doubt Japanese Silent Hill fans are exactly super exited about that either.Flathole said:
I'm not sure what your point is, to talk about Japanese companies not localizing games for Western audiences due to controversy and then posting an example from a series that didn't sell well anywhere, another from a series that got screwed over because the publisher just doesn't want to make regular video games for any country including Japan, and finally a series that was never that huge and I'm pretty sure the last entry was beaten by Mario Kart in sales both in Japan and the West.
I really have to ask. When did "localization" become considered "censorship"?
Stuff gets changed when it gets brought to a different market. Why? So that it'll be more attractive to those audiences.
It's why the plant guy in Breath of Fire 2 was renamed "Spar" and didn't keep his original name of "Aspara Gus".
It's why Eggman was renamed to the more menacing sounding "Dr. Robotnik".
It's why we got a shitty "badass" megaman boxart cover instead of the cute one that Japan got.
And yes, it's why they cover up cleavage and bikinis. Japan seems to be a bit more open to fantasy sex material than the US is (especially these days), so they change things up a bit to make it more "Appealing" to the general western taste.
That's how it's always been. It's not some new "SJW attack pattern, causing Japanese developers to have to change their games in order to not be shamed or banned". It's the developer or publisher going "Hey, our game will sell better if we tweak a few things" and it's been going on as long as video games have existed.
It's not censorship, it's the developer adapting their work. If something changes in a movie adaptation of a book, has the original work been "Censored"? I don't think so.
Stuff gets changed when it gets brought to a different market. Why? So that it'll be more attractive to those audiences.
It's why the plant guy in Breath of Fire 2 was renamed "Spar" and didn't keep his original name of "Aspara Gus".
It's why Eggman was renamed to the more menacing sounding "Dr. Robotnik".
It's why we got a shitty "badass" megaman boxart cover instead of the cute one that Japan got.
And yes, it's why they cover up cleavage and bikinis. Japan seems to be a bit more open to fantasy sex material than the US is (especially these days), so they change things up a bit to make it more "Appealing" to the general western taste.
That's how it's always been. It's not some new "SJW attack pattern, causing Japanese developers to have to change their games in order to not be shamed or banned". It's the developer or publisher going "Hey, our game will sell better if we tweak a few things" and it's been going on as long as video games have existed.
It's not censorship, it's the developer adapting their work. If something changes in a movie adaptation of a book, has the original work been "Censored"? I don't think so.
Ah yes, the cruel crime of replacing panties with spats. Truly comparable to the most grievous offenses of McCarthy era America. And smoke covering titties, that has never been done in any medium ever, no siree. Only video games with its cruel sjws.
None of you even plan to buy it, why do you give a fuck?
EDIT: You guys do realize this was probably done to get a T rating, right?
None of you even plan to buy it, why do you give a fuck?
EDIT: You guys do realize this was probably done to get a T rating, right?
Saying you can't complain about a particular thing because there are kids starving in Africa at the same time has always been ridiculous reasoning. And I can't see anyone bitching about SJWs in this thread, just people blaming Nintendo, so I don't know what you're trying to say.Revnak said:
I like how sure you are that absolutely nobody could be planning to buy a crossover game of 2 franchises which have both sold thousands of copies in the west over the years.