Nintendo continue to protect your eyes from disgusting female form.

[McMarbles]

Man, jewelry stores must be doing really well. I've never seen so much pearl-clutching in my lifetime.

 

[renegade7]

The entire line of thinking blends in this case. Anyone remember Nintendo having the balls to say that importers were breaking laws by doing so?

And that's where it just starts to get bizarre. Like I said, I can understand why Nintendo might want to make certain changes in regional releases to adjust for differing standards of appropriateness, but I can't help but find it completely baffling why they would want to argue that it's illegal to play a different region's version. I don't even understand what the motivation would be, since it's not like they're losing a sale.

That's sort of where this crosses over into more of a civil liberties issue. It shouldn't be illegal to import a piece of consumer electronics or software, and it shouldn't be illegal to modify a console that you bought so that it can run software from other regions. If Nintendo consoles weren't so aggressively region-locked, this wouldn't even be an issue.

 

[kenu12345]

Honestly, really doesn't sway me in either way cause the game was already hot trash to me. "Hey lets take Fire Emblem and make it not Fire Emblem while only keeping names from the franchise! yey derp derp" Yeah, I hated this game since it was first announced

 

[WindKnight]

Well, yes. If your claiming to fight for 'freedom of speech' and 'artistic freedom' and invoking 'censorship' as a boogieman, you kind of have to defend stuff your not interested in or don't like to not be a hypocrite.

Or you could just be honest that you only care about dem titties, but that doesn't sounds as noble a rallying cry.

I feel like I'm missing some valuable context because I have no idea where this is coming from.

All I can do is shrug my shoulders and assure you, I have never claimed those things and have always been forthcoming about my love of cheesecakes and dem titties.

As for dismissal of censorship as a boogieman.. *looks up picture he linked where a vneck or w/e you call it is obscured in smoke* For a fictional entity this boogieman is looking pretty damned real from where I'm standing.

Not you personally, just a lot of people are framing this as censorship and a dire threat.

And lets face it, your not losing much, a pair of breasts from a cutscene, a few bikini shots, and none of those are integral to the game. Heck, the whole spats thing is only noticeable really if you freeze frame the game just right to see it.

Ironically a lot of real life idols do wear spats and similar sorts of underwear because they do have a real problem with men trying to get upskirt creepshots, so way to imitate life guy getting those precious frames for your screenshot.

 

[irish286]

I think it's more along the lines of "The Wii U is predominately considered a children's console in the US." as their reasoning for the censorship.

 

[Here Comes Tomorrow]

Wow. This has got to be the most ridiculous change i've seen in a while.

Also I remember there's an escapist member who usually likes to snark in gender debates "lulz silly people "they" ain't after your boobs!". Well whoever that was and if they are reading this, see above image and never ever say that again.

Reminds me of the type of stuff some Islamic countries like Iran do:

There was a time this was considered ridiculous, I guess now it's ok though, for some people at least. It might be censorship, it might not exactly be that. But either way, it is moral policing.

 

[Super Cyborg]

I don't know if this was supposed to be a complete fan service game, because I know very little about it. The whole shadow out of the breasts of that one boss does seem silly, not something to get angry over personally but silly non the less. As for the whole swimsuit thing, I've come to find it lazy overall as design. I like these new ones because it feels like actual effort was put in it. Could they have had both options? Seems like if you already had them you should've made it optional, but I don't know what the reasoning behind it was.

In the end, everyone is entitled to what they want to do. Don't like the fact it was changed? Don't buy it if it's truly that important to you. There's plenty of stuff out there these days for your tastes. For me, I'm waiting for reviews from the state side, get a better idea of what to expect, and decide if the game is something that interests me gameplay wise and/or story wise. I don't expect much story wise from what I've seen, so it comes down to game play.

 

[EternallyBored]

Wow. This has got to be the most ridiculous change i've seen in a while.

Also I remember there's an escapist member who usually likes to snark in gender debates "lulz silly people "they" ain't after your boobs!". Well whoever that was and if they are reading this, see above image and never ever say that again.

Reminds me of the type of stuff some Islamic countries like Iran do:

There was a time this was considered ridiculous, I guess now it's ok though, for some people at least. It might be censorship, it might not exactly be that. But either way, it is moral policing.

I would rather you just call it censorship than breaking out some ludicrous nonsense about moral policing. I'm pretty sure Iran's standards are enforced by the government, so not at all like this situation, debates about censorship aside, there is a massive gulf between changing media due to government enforced demands and a company changing something of their own free will to make their game more marketable towards a specific demographic.

Who is being policed and who is doing the policing here? Nintendo made the changes of their own volition, it's entirely valid to think they were stupid, or that they shouldn't be catering to the kind of people that should care about such things, but there's no morality police in this situation, if Nintendo said tomorrow that they were changing it back and releasing it in the west they wouldn't suffer any ill effects beyond the grumbling of other people. Shit like Senran Kagura manages to come out without some kind of media campaign trying to get it banned, I doubt this would suffer anything more than that. Mainstream media hasn't given much of a shit about the topic since the days of FOX news bitching about the sex scenes in Mass Effect, which Bioware ignored and suffered no ill effect or moral policing for doing so.

 

[Dragonbums]

Wow. This has got to be the most ridiculous change i've seen in a while.

Also I remember there's an escapist member who usually likes to snark in gender debates "lulz silly people "they" ain't after your boobs!". Well whoever that was and if they are reading this, see above image and never ever say that again.

Reminds me of the type of stuff some Islamic countries like Iran do:

There was a time this was considered ridiculous, I guess now it's ok though, for some people at least. It might be censorship, it might not exactly be that. But either way, it is moral policing.

There is a noticeable difference between media altering things because it's government enforced and Nintendo doing it by no outside forces bit their own.

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

Wow. This has got to be the most ridiculous change i've seen in a while.

Also I remember there's an escapist member who usually likes to snark in gender debates "lulz silly people "they" ain't after your boobs!". Well whoever that was and if they are reading this, see above image and never ever say that again.

Reminds me of the type of stuff some Islamic countries like Iran do:

There was a time this was considered ridiculous, I guess now it's ok though, for some people at least. It might be censorship, it might not exactly be that. But either way, it is moral policing.

There is a noticeable difference between media altering things because it's government enforced and Nintendo doing it by no outside forces bit their own.

Nintedo does it cause they believe they'd make more money this way.


The important thing is asking WHY they believe this. Why they see us as the same as Iran regarding this subject, and change whatever it is that causes this gross result.

 

[EternallyBored]

Nintedo does it cause they believe they'd make more money this way.


The important thing is asking WHY they believe this. Why they see us as the same as Iran regarding this subject, and change whatever it is that causes this gross result.

Part of the problem may be hyperbole like, "why they see us the same as Iran" when it's obvious that they don't even come close to seeing us that way. They are willing to publish games with fan service that would never fly in Iran, the fact that the swim suit is still in the game is proof enough of that, bayonetta 2 is also proof they don't see or treat us like trying to release stuff in Iran or the Middle East.

If you want to stop it, the proper question is how can you convince Nintendo to change or how to convince them stopping their changes would be more profitable to them. You would likely need petitions, engagement with the localizers at NoA as well as the Japanese headquarters, and a movement large enough to demonstrate that changing their practices would be profitable. As stodgy and conservative as Nintendo is, they are the ones that need to be convinced as you can't shift the entirety of western games culture and discussion to cater to one Japanese company when plenty of others are getting away with releasing far more risqu? games in the west and not suffering any crippling blowback that would effect a company Nintendo's size.

in the end, even with an organized group, you'd still be looking at a long time to really see any changes, Nintendo has a famously conservative corporate culture, and sometimes seems detrimentally stubborn when it comes to doing anything they don't want to do, they are one of the most obtuse and impenetrable corporate entities in the business. As a long time fan of their games and consoles, Nintendo has always been hard to get a read on, and sometimes it seems as if their policies and decisions exist in their own little world completely divorced from the rest of the video game industry.

 

[gyrobot_v1legacy]

There is an outside force. It is called Journalists with a conscience. You want your game to get shat on like a IFI game because you wanted it to be uncensored? Be my guest.

Franchise, singular, as in Fire Emblem was the only one, and it was only the touching minigame, and calling Fire Emblem one of Nintendo's main franchises is a bit of a stretch, maybe now that Fates has sold so well we might see Nintendo give it more attention, but the Series was pretty much dead in the West before Awakening.

Also, just because you say it doesn't make it true, how many announcements came out before Iwata's death versus after? Awakening, Xenoblade, and Bravely Default were all altered under Iwata, now how many since then? Bravely second, Fates, and Xenoblade Chronicles X, so the exact same series that were altered under Iwata's watch. Where's the increase? Other than removing the touching minigame its the same types of changes they made while Iwata was in charge, and that's because Awakening didn't have that minigame at all.

so again, where is the increase? and how is it any different for Nintendo considering that this type of fanservice is new for Nintendo as in the last 6 years or so, before that fan service in Nintendo published games was exceedingly rare, that's part of why Nintendo publishing Bayonetta 2 was considered news, that and Nintendo's propensity for avoiding an M rated at all costs.

I find it hard to believe your points when they involve shrugging off Nintendo's obsession with being family friendly, which is still in full effect today, so that you can portray Nintendo as scared of Western media. I'm not even going to get into that in depth until we've established where you think this increase in changes is coming from after Iwata's death, because I'm still failing to see that.

If IFI can get away with Trillion and the amount of fanservice in that game or Neptunia. Then Nintendo's newest games are a saint. And it the big changes occured around the time Iwata passed away. Back it was just a cg or two. Now we are seeing shit like this happen.

 

[Erttheking]

Honestly, really doesn't sway me in either way cause the game was already hot trash to me. "Hey lets take Fire Emblem and make it not Fire Emblem while only keeping names from the franchise! yey derp derp" Yeah, I hated this game since it was first announced

Wait.. It's a Shin Megami Tensei game, developed by Atlus, advertised as a crossover (which it is). And you're angry that it isn't Fire Emblem?

There is literally no logic there. It was never advertised as a Fire Emblem title. It's in the same boat as Hyrule Warriors.

Surely the fact that Intelligent Systems has literally no input on this games' development should have been a hint to what the gameplay would be, right?

This is a SMT game? This is a ...no, not really. First of all the name of the game is Tokyo Mirage Sessions FE, not Tokyo Mirage Sessions SMT. Second of all, not only does this game fail to be a Fire Emblem game, it fails to be a Shin Megami Tensei game. Shin Megami Tensei has gone through a lot of different takes, but they tend to have a lot of similar themes, IE Law vs Chaos, demons, YHVH and Lucifer, that kind of thing. This game is such a trainwreck that it has none of that.

Amazing. A SMT/Fire Emblem crossover with very little of what made Fire Emblem Fire Emblem and SMT SMT.

 

[EternallyBored]

There is an outside force. It is called Journalists with a conscience. You want your game to get shat on like a IFI game because you wanted it to be uncensored? Be my guest.

Franchise, singular, as in Fire Emblem was the only one, and it was only the touching minigame, and calling Fire Emblem one of Nintendo's main franchises is a bit of a stretch, maybe now that Fates has sold so well we might see Nintendo give it more attention, but the Series was pretty much dead in the West before Awakening.

Also, just because you say it doesn't make it true, how many announcements came out before Iwata's death versus after? Awakening, Xenoblade, and Bravely Default were all altered under Iwata, now how many since then? Bravely second, Fates, and Xenoblade Chronicles X, so the exact same series that were altered under Iwata's watch. Where's the increase? Other than removing the touching minigame its the same types of changes they made while Iwata was in charge, and that's because Awakening didn't have that minigame at all.

so again, where is the increase? and how is it any different for Nintendo considering that this type of fanservice is new for Nintendo as in the last 6 years or so, before that fan service in Nintendo published games was exceedingly rare, that's part of why Nintendo publishing Bayonetta 2 was considered news, that and Nintendo's propensity for avoiding an M rated at all costs.

I find it hard to believe your points when they involve shrugging off Nintendo's obsession with being family friendly, which is still in full effect today, so that you can portray Nintendo as scared of Western media. I'm not even going to get into that in depth until we've established where you think this increase in changes is coming from after Iwata's death, because I'm still failing to see that.

If IFI can get away with Trillion and the amount of fanservice in that game or Neptunia. Then Nintendo's newest games are a saint. And it the big changes occured around the time Iwata passed away. Back it was just a cg or two. Now we are seeing shit like this happen.

I'm going to keep this short, but you keep failing to demonstrate that any of this shit is new or more common, the changes they made here are exactly the types of changes they made to Awakening and Bravely Default, both done well before Iwata died. You keep trying to spin this as a change in Nintendo after his death but you haven't done anything to actually prove that, you're just blindly asserting it based on nothing more than what you would like to be true.

I'll be blunt, I don't think you have any idea what your talking about and are vastly overestimating just how personally involved someone like Iwata would be in the localization process, unless Nintendo works differently than most other huge companies, the president is not going to sit around micro managing localizers, if any change has happened it's likely within NoA not the Japanese headquarters.

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

Nintedo does it cause they believe they'd make more money this way.


The important thing is asking WHY they believe this. Why they see us as the same as Iran regarding this subject, and change whatever it is that causes this gross result.

Part of the problem may be hyperbole like, "why they see us the same as Iran" when it's obvious that they don't even come close to seeing us that way. They are willing to publish games with fan service that would never fly in Iran, the fact that the swim suit is still in the game is proof enough of that, bayonetta 2 is also proof they don't see or treat us like trying to release stuff in Iran or the Middle East.

If you want to stop it, the proper question is how can you convince Nintendo to change or how to convince them stopping their changes would be more profitable to them. You would likely need petitions, engagement with the localizers at NoA as well as the Japanese headquarters, and a movement large enough to demonstrate that changing their practices would be profitable. As stodgy and conservative as Nintendo is, they are the ones that need to be convinced as you can't shift the entirety of western games culture and discussion to cater to one Japanese company when plenty of others are getting away with releasing far more risqu? games in the west and not suffering any crippling blowback that would effect a company Nintendo's size.

in the end, even with an organized group, you'd still be looking at a long time to really see any changes, Nintendo has a famously conservative corporate culture, and sometimes seems detrimentally stubborn when it comes to doing anything they don't want to do, they are one of the most obtuse and impenetrable corporate entities in the business. As a long time fan of their games and consoles, Nintendo has always been hard to get a read on, and sometimes it seems as if their policies and decisions exist in their own little world completely divorced from the rest of the video game industry.

When the distinction one has to make is one of degree, how MUCH like Iran we are, instead of it being a preposterous notion outright, that is already too close for comfort and anyone not being hyperbolic about it is the weird one out.


Nintendo released games like Bayonetta and Senran Kagura, they know that risque games will not cause them to detonate, for a time they tried to portray themselves and the wii u as a system grownup gamers could be proud to own, and then they reverted to being classic games are primarily for kids nitendo.

I am not sayin we need to change western culture as the west is fine, all that needs to be done is to remove the megaphone that the few overly sensitive and cautious people have which allows them to misrepresent the entire society as though it consists entirely of victorian era prudes and religious nuts. 99% of the people playing these games would have no serious problems with the amout of skin shown.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

99% of the people playing these games would have no serious problems with the amout of skin shown.

Sure they will. Currently they're up in arms over spats instead of panties.

Snark aside, Nintendo published both Bayonetta 2 and Senran Kagura, like you said. They did this while localizing other games. It's not like they were "remove the panties", the did a 180* to "breast fighter Kagura is fine!" then did another 180* to go back to their previous position. That'd be nonsensical.

More likely they're just interested in a strong divide between the "Mature" and "Teen" ratings.

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

99% of the people playing these games would have no serious problems with the amout of skin shown.

Sure they will. Currently they're up in arms over spats instead of panties.

Snark aside, Nintendo published both Bayonetta 2 and Senran Kagura, like you said. They did this while localizing other games. It's not like they were "remove the panties", the did a 180* to "breast fighter Kagura is fine!" then did another 180* to go back to their previous position. That'd be nonsensical.

More likely they're just interested in a strong divide between the "Mature" and "Teen" ratings.

Nah, people don't have problem with spats, nobody complained you couldn't see Chie's panties back when p4 was released. The problem people have is the CHANGE into spats which aren't supposed to exist.


Senran Kagura Burst was rated T so there should be no divergence between it and other T rated series. What nintendo seems to do indeed is not a series of 180s but rather a generally fluid and inconsistent mess of a policy regarding sex and games and localization.