Nintendo: Necessary Evil

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Eicha

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After considering for a while the concerning predicament of Nintendo whoring its own material and abandoning the hardcore gamers, I've come to a conclusion that I'd like to share with my fellow Escapists, whether or not it will be taken in a good way or not.


Those of us that remember the golden years of the late 80's to mid 90's of gaming have many fond memories. Nintendo made some truly wonderful games that were inventive and engaging, regardless of several consoles that were just plain flops, and of course the multitudes of games that were just plain awful. Zelda. Mario. Pokemon. Metroid. All were once shining examples of the creativity Nintendo could bring to the plate on its own, not relying on third part developers for its key content. But now, what were once pillars of awesomeness have crumbled into banal gravel that lies at the feet of a crowd that is uninterested in games they played as kids then rebooted a multitude of times.

This comes to my second issue, the abandonment of its hardcore crowd. One would think that Nintendo would catch on to the thousands upon millions of people that made it a consumer electronics giant and cater to that demographic in a way that would garner profits matching that of Blizzard and the WoW phenomenon. But alas, as we have witnessed in the late stages of the Gamecube to the entire span of the Wii, and throughout the whole life of the line of DS's, the company has pretty much crapped out on their creativity and pumped out third part games for children and casual gamers. This is heartbreaking to those that revered Nintendo, I myself feel betrayed every time I peruse the aisles of DS games in search of something that looks engaging or at least remotely stimulating. This betrayal has caused most of us to move on to the other consoles available, with their high-definition graphics and mature games, following our own maturity and desire for things beyond the reaches of Pokemon and into Halo and Gears of War. But, why on earth would Nintendo do such a thing? Its illogical, or so Spock would say. Being a commoner, the only thing I can do is theorize. So here it goes:

Nintendo is the future. That's about as simple as my theory can go. To extrapolate, I believe that Nintendo had abandoned its loyal followers and whored its beloved titles for something other than profit: Future gamers. The 360 and PS3 are too high in technicality and price to be accessible to families raising kids in this normal day and age, so Nintendo releases a console with a simpler, movement based control scheme and diminished graphics with games anyone can pick up and play. Of course, this is offensive to the mature crowd. But Nintendo is offering a gentle entry into the world of gaming, so those that grew up on the Wii can move on to the 360 or PS3 when they're mature enough to take the reigns. Nintendo is building the foundation. Giving kids Pokemon and rebooted Zelda and Metroid and Mario titles so they can grow up to be the next generations of gamers to fuel the gaming economy.

To summarize, Nintendo is the coal that will fuel the future of gaming. Yeah, its ugly and dirty but it keeps the engine chugging.


That's what I think the situation could be. Again, its a theory.

Thanks for reading, though. :)

--Eicha
 

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How is it illogical at all? They're getting ridiculous amounts of money.

I'm pretty sure that nearly every actual gamer that has seen or heard of the Wii figured this out already too.
 
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Last time I checked, the latest Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, Metroid etc were all awesome.

Opinions are like arseholes.
 

Mighty the Moose

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An interesting theory Eicha and well-written little piece. Anyone who uses "extrapolate" and "whored" in the same sentence automatically gets +7 cookie points in my book.

Regardless of the rationale behind Nintendo market strategy, it clearly worked extremely well for them. They wrapped up Gamecube era hardware in a new shell, integrated motion control that has yet to revolutionize gameplay in any significant sense, and offered very little when it came to new franchises or titles. That said, there are still 10 million more Wii owners in the US vs. Xbox 360 (and in turn 10 million more Xbox 360 owners vs. the PS3).

Ahh, the power of marketing.
 

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Whatever, just wash your hands.
nintendo hasnt abandoned anyone, its a Japanese company tho, they tend to not be as willing to build a fan base as say bioware, nintendo still makes games that its fans want, hell we got a new metoid coming out next week and the 3ds is sounding really good and for the first time in awhile nintendo has alot of 3rd parties really excited about their product
 

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Eicha said:
After considering for a while the concerning predicament of Nintendo whoring its own material and abandoning the hardcore gamers
I stopped reading there because they never abandoned hardcore gamers. They never made games fro "hardcore gamers" to begin with they have always and will for ever make GAMES for kids. After all they are GAMES. But I think moviebob has gone over that better then I can.
 

Eicha

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Worgen said:
nintendo hasnt abandoned anyone, its a Japanese company tho, they tend to not be as willing to build a fan base as say bioware, nintendo still makes games that its fans want, hell we got a new metoid coming out next week and the 3ds is sounding really good and for the first time in awhile nintendo has alot of 3rd parties really excited about their product
I do agree, they are coming out with stronger stuff and I'm VERY excited for the 3DS.

I had this idea floating around in my head and wanted to get it down in writing.
 

Eicha

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andrew21 said:
Eicha said:
After considering for a while the concerning predicament of Nintendo whoring its own material and abandoning the hardcore gamers
I stopped reading there because they never abandoned hardcore gamers. They never made games fro "hardcore gamers" to begin with they have always and will for ever make GAMES for kids. After all they are GAMES. But I think moviebob has gone over that better then I can.
I apologize for not clarifying. I meant hardcore in the sense of hardcore fandom as opposed to hardcore content.
 

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Eicha said:
After considering for a while the concerning predicament of Nintendo whoring its own material and abandoning the hardcore gamers, I've come to a conclusion that I'd like to share with my fellow Escapists, whether or not it will be taken in a good way or not.


Those of us that remember the golden years of the late 80's to mid 90's of gaming have many fond memories. Nintendo made some truly wonderful games that were inventive and engaging, regardless of several consoles that were just plain flops, and of course the multitudes of games that were just plain awful. Zelda. Mario. Pokemon. Metroid. All were once shining examples of the creativity Nintendo could bring to the plate on its own, not relying on third part developers for its key content. But now, what were once pillars of awesomeness have crumbled into banal gravel that lies at the feet of a crowd that is uninterested in games they played as kids then rebooted a multitude of times.

Um, what? The recent Mario, Metroid, Zelda, and Pokemon games have all been released to shining reviews (especially Super Mario Galaxy 2, and have all sold at least well enough to warrant making them.

This comes to my second issue, the abandonment of its hardcore crowd. One would think that Nintendo would catch on to the thousands upon millions of people that made it a consumer electronics giant and cater to that demographic in a way that would garner profits matching that of Blizzard and the WoW phenomenon. But alas, as we have witnessed in the late stages of the Gamecube to the entire span of the Wii, and throughout the whole life of the line of DS's, the company has pretty much crapped out on their creativity and pumped out third part games for children and casual gamers. This is heartbreaking to those that revered Nintendo, I myself feel betrayed every time I peruse the aisles of DS games in search of something that looks engaging or at least remotely stimulating. This betrayal has caused most of us to move on to the other consoles available, with their high-definition graphics and mature games, following our own maturity and desire for things beyond the reaches of Pokemon and into Halo and Gears of War. But, why on earth would Nintendo do such a thing? Its illogical, or so Spock would say. Being a commoner, the only thing I can do is theorize. So here it goes:

There's a pretty simple explanation to why they don't try to appeal to the "hardcore" demographic as much anymore: The "hardcore" abandoned them first. Look at the Gamecube; it had graphical power on par with what the competition was offering (or better in the PS2's case), and many of Nintendo's first-party titles (F-Zero GX, Geist) was made with the dedicated gamer audience in mind, so what happened? It got stuck in third place sales-wise, publishers hardly ported their multiplatform games to it, and people were questioning Nintendo's relevancy in the market. In short, appealing to the "hardcore" audience didn't work anymore, so they did the best thing they could've: Focus primarily on the market that the other companies didn't want while still appealing to the fans that didn't leave them. From a business perspective, it was a completely sane and logical choice to make.

Nintendo is the future. That's about as simple as my theory can go. To extrapolate, I believe that Nintendo had abandoned its loyal followers and whored its beloved titles for something other than profit: Future gamers. The 360 and PS3 are too high in technicality and price to be accessible to families raising kids in this normal day and age, so Nintendo releases a console with a simpler, movement based control scheme and diminished graphics with games anyone can pick up and play. Of course, this is offensive to the mature crowd. But Nintendo is offering a gentle entry into the world of gaming, so those that grew up on the Wii can move on to the 360 or PS3 when they're mature enough to take the reigns. Nintendo is building the foundation. Giving kids Pokemon and rebooted Zelda and Metroid and Mario titles so they can grow up to be the next generations of gamers to fuel the gaming economy.

You have the right idea here in that Nintendo is helping attract new gamers to keep the industry from going sterile in the future, but let's not forget that Nintendo also makes some games to appeal to more experienced gamers as well, like Fire Emblem, Super Smash Bros., Advance Wars, Sin & Punishment, etc. I also wouldn't exactly classify Metroid as a game for kids anymore, especially the Prime subseries.

To summarize, Nintendo is the coal that will fuel the future of gaming. Yeah, its ugly and dirty but it keeps the engine chugging.

No complaints here.

That's what I think the situation could be. Again, its a theory.

Thanks for reading, though. :)

--Eicha
 

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Eicha said:
Yes, this is kind of like what Miyamoto has been talking about, trying to bring hardcore and casual gamers under the same roof. This guy is planning for the future. While it may seam like the more profitable root to just go HARDCORE games with GUNS, BLOOD, SPACE MARINES, BOOBS and AN M RATING (off topic: reading that in the voice of 90s kid, and how much it fits to modern gaming is scary), Nintendo has been doing a two prong tactic for long term industry survival. One, bring back every first year subscriber of Nintendo power their favorite Christmas morning again via the wii virtual console and the sudden growth of nintendo related merchandice, and another to tap into the power of the casual market to make a sustanable (i.e. for every person lost a new one replaces them) player base and to make boat loads of money. Even Nintendo's small efforts, like to include an "auto complete this level I keep dieing at" mechanic that won't change the difficulty of the game for the hardcore crowd and yet keep it accessible to new players really goes a long way.

Their precieved notion of "ignoring us TRUE gamers" is going to completely evaporate when the 3DS is going to hit shelfs with the biggest collection of launch titles ever from just about every major developer in the industry.
 

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Yeaaaaaahhhh, that's a no. Gamers have been sustaining the industry throughout all its existance. Whilst bringing in others is great, pandering to mums is not necessary nor fruitful. If they gain in interest in good games through it, that's fantastic, but the games that define games are rarely on the Wii.
I do not say Nintendo because DS and Gamecube have both put out excellent work.

So no. They are not necessary. We lived without them.
 

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If it weren't for the gamebody advance and the pokemon games I never would have gotten into gaming. So you do have a valid point. Though I hardly think Nintendo is screwing over the hardcore crowd. There are plenty of games to satisfy both sides on the wii. It's the motion controls and the graphics the "Hardcore" gamers like to ***** about.
 

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David Bray said:
Yeaaaaaahhhh, that's a no. Gamers have been sustaining the industry throughout all its existance. Whilst bringing in others is great, pandering to mums is not necessary nor fruitful. If they gain in interest in good games through it, that's fantastic, but the games that define games are rarely on the Wii.
I do not say Nintendo because DS and Gamecube have both put out excellent work.

So no. They are not necessary. We lived without them.
Maybe for now, but what happens when the people who have been supporting gaming for all those years die, get too busy to play them anymore, or just grow out of them? You can't keep appealing to the same crowd forever. That's partly the reason why the comic book industry suffered a huge collapse back in the early '90s. Future generations of dedicated gamers have to start somewhere, and you can't expect them to just pick up a controller and instantly be able to frag with the best of them.
 

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It depends what you're into. I love my DS Lite and like my Wii. They both have games that cater to the so-called "hardcore gamers", but you have to sift your way through the crap. Much the same as you had to sift through all the crap on the PS2.

DS
Of all the systems that fall into the current-gen, the DS is the single greatest source of JRPGs. Not as good as the golden age of the PS2, but compared to the 360 and PS3, it has a lot. Etrian Odyssey, Dragon Quest IX, The World Ends With You, plus remakes of FFIII and IV and Dragon Quest IV and V. Not to mention the side-scrollers, especially Castlevania. In fact, I find myself liking Order of Ecclesia more than Symphony of the Night. Then you have games such as Professor Layton, Grand Theft Auto: Chinatown Wars and Scribblenauts.

While some of the games I mentioned above are just remakes, there are others that are new entries to their series/entirely new games that bring new concepts to the table. There's a lot more variety than just Pokemon remake #15.

Wii
Metroid Prime 3, Monster Hunter Tri, Metal Slug Anthology, Tatsunoko vs. Capcom: Ultimate All-Stars, Fragile Dreams: Farewell Ruins of the Moon, Muramasa: The Demon Blade, No More Heroes.
[sup]I'm less familiar with the Wii so I can't go into much detail here.[/sup]

Mighty the Moose said:
That said, there are still 10 million more Wii owners in the US vs. Xbox 360 (and in turn 10 million more Xbox 360 owners vs. the PS3).
http://www.videogamer.com/news/41_7_million_xbox_360s_shipped_life_to_date.html
http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdataps3_sale_e.html

41.7 million 360's shipped as of 30/6/20210.
38.1 million PS3s been sold as of 31/6/2010.

It's far close than you'd think. Sort of the same as when you see people saying that the PSP failed and nobody bought them, yet 2 seconds of research shows you that they've sold around 60 million of them.
 

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This honestly sums up my opinions on what Nintendo is doing.

http://malstrom.50webs.com/birdman.html

Areound 2/3 of the way through, it begins to sound a little like the OP, saying it is introducing new gamers to gaming. But there's a deeper meaning to the casual movement. It's a bit long, but trust me, a great read.
 

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Alpha1089 said:
Mighty the Moose said:
That said, there are still 10 million more Wii owners in the US vs. Xbox 360 (and in turn 10 million more Xbox 360 owners vs. the PS3).
http://www.videogamer.com/news/41_7_million_xbox_360s_shipped_life_to_date.html
http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdataps3_sale_e.html

41.7 million 360's shipped as of 30/6/20210.
38.1 million PS3s been sold as of 31/6/2010.

It's far close than you'd think. Sort of the same as when you see people saying that the PSP failed and nobody bought them, yet 2 seconds of research shows you that they've sold around 60 million of them.
Those are worldwide numbers (very interesting though), I was centristically referring to the US market only.

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly.php?reg=America&date=40398&console=&

34.4 Million Wii's shipped as of 08/07/2010
24.3 Million Xbox360's shipped
14.7 Million PS3's Shipped