Nintendo Says No To Same Sex Relationships For Tomodachi Miis

[chadachada123]

This may seem like a cop-out answer, but why not just play as a tomboy-ish female and then fall in love with a male?

That's what I'd do if I were gay, at least.

Same as how I decorated myself as a female character in South Park: SoT, because I can play make-believe without the game necessarily supporting it.

 

[DarkRawen]

Hm, I really can't see what the problem is. Sure, it'd be neat to have same sex relationships being possible in the game, but if it wasn't in the original game then I can't see why it is required to be added. Be nice, but, you know, it wasn't a part of the game in the first place. Besides, for someone to require a company to make a statement is kinda out of line, if they want to step back and be like: "We're not choosing a side", then that's the company's right, IMO.

Also, some posts in this thread reminds me, sadly, of why I've avoided LGBT (Q? +? whatever people prefer). No offense to the people or anything like that, it just seems like a very intense group.

 

[zarguhl]

This game is UTTER discrimination. There is no option suited to the needs of objectophiles like myself! The sleek, curved sides of a porcelain cup, the sharp, dangerous, yet ever so delicate frayed wire edges of a cut power cord... This is NOT OKAY! I demand my sexual preferences are appreciated by EVERY game I play and EVERY movie I watch!

The gaming industry is a vile den of discrimination! Mass Effect didn't have ANY suitable relationship options for an objectophile such as myself! There were so many items I wanted as my own, but NONE it would allow me to fornicate with!

And now THIS! A children's game that doesn't let me penetrate the wall with my lusty ardor! SICK!

 

[Eve Charm]

Which is funny because complaining about it online IS sitting on your thumbs and changing nothing with the angry posts being nothing more than a big fat placebo that makes you think otherwise. Largely because they will likely never leave the echo-chamber of forums filled with people who share your opinion.

You want to know how much of the reforms during the all three of those movements were gained?

Protests that bring attention to the problem and people, businesses, and organzation that perpetuated it, asking for recognition as a people group, and organizing boycotts. Well lets see...

1) By somebody organizing themselves, Nintendo's stance, at least on this game, was revealed, and now people know about it.

2) In the prior mentioned in the "Miiquality" effort, this was stated: "You import your personalized characters into the game. You name them. You give them a personality. You give them a voice. They just can't fall in love if they're gay."

Nobody accused of being homophobes, just stating that you're disrespecting people who are gay by not recognizing their lives in this game about emulating the experience of life.

3) People are deciding to boycott Nintendo for this decision, and are spreading the word.

Seems like all those conditions I mentioned are being met.

Additionally, I wouldn't exactly call The Escapist an "echo-chamber" when it comes to this type of stuff. See: your own post, this very thread, the recent Mozilla thing, the Duck Dynasty comments, the Chick-fil-a thing from two years ago, just to name a few of the bigger instances.

I bold the interesting point, Boycotting. Which is funny because of people ACTUALLY gave a damn about Miiquality or even took the time to watch the video before getting on the hate train is that boycotting the game is the LAST THING the creator wants. The creator knows boycotting the game and Nintendo will make the idea of a future game or a patch putting in same sex marriage NEVER happen because Nintendo would just trash the game if it sells poorly and has tons of controversy about it instead of what the creator wants, good press and sales so they would consider changing it.

The guy spends about 2 mintues of his video with a flashing scrolling banner saying in all caps "DON"T BOYCOTT THIS GAME OR NINTENDO" Which it makes me wonder if anyone really even watched the video before getting out the pitch forks because I haven't read one article saying the creator doesn't want people to boycott nintendo.

I'm sure it would bold better for people trying to push for reform movements if the people actually took the time to see what and how they are actually trying to reform. If all your there to do is push your own agenda and not give a damn about the wishes of the moment your trying to "Help out" your better off staying out of it for their sake.

 

[MrMan999]

You know, its actually pretty funny. Miiquality actually argued against a boycott. He instead said that people should buy the game and then use the club Nintendo feature to provide feedback. He argued that a boycott will have the exact opposite effect and actually discourage Nintendo from localizing more of these types of games. And Nintendo actually did respond civilly to him, saying that they will most certainly consider adding same sex couples if the feedback is positive. Right now I am seeing nothing but negative feedback.

 

[DarkRawen]

Not only that, but children see, and learn, bigotry from adults if it goes unchallenged, even if its subtle.

http://www4.uwm.edu/letsci/africology/faculty/upload/children_colorblind.pdf
http://www.safeschoolscoalition.org/Racism&YoungChildren-byTheresaLee.pdf

Child learn from adults. If adults either don't object to homophobia or outright endorse homophobia, then the children will endorse homophobia. And if the child is gay, they'll internalize self-hatred.

(I might regret this but...)

You know, people can support the cause without joining or siding with the LGBT movement, and they can certainly teach their children not to endorse homophobia on their own, without needing to side with any side at all. :/ Assuming that people like that are just being like: "Nope, dunno about that issue, dun care" is sort of narrow-minded.

 

[Eve Charm]

This is the most damning argument with any social justice platform, and it's used everywhere. If someone is neutral or has no interest on a platform, they're not compliant with the opposition.

Except, they are. See my personal example in that very post you're quoting, the paragraph right before.

Not only that, but children see, and learn, bigotry from adults if it goes unchallenged, even if its subtle.

http://www4.uwm.edu/letsci/africology/faculty/upload/children_colorblind.pdf
http://www.safeschoolscoalition.org/Racism&YoungChildren-byTheresaLee.pdf

Child learn from adults. If adults either don't object to homophobia or outright endorse homophobia, then the children will endorse homophobia. And if the child is gay, they'll internalize self-hatred.

Ya but since when does fighting bigotry with more bigotry help? When does fighting a misunderstanding with bigotry help? Yelling at people to be tolerant and understanding about your views while being intolerant of theirs, no matter how right you think you are gets nowhere. You don't get to call yourself the victim when your clearly the attacker. That's the mentality that starts wars not bring people together because fighting people will just make people fight back.

 

[Cybylt]

Which is funny because complaining about it online IS sitting on your thumbs and changing nothing with the angry posts being nothing more than a big fat placebo that makes you think otherwise. Largely because they will likely never leave the echo-chamber of forums filled with people who share your opinion.

You want to know how much of the reforms during the all three of those movements were gained?

Protests that bring attention to the problem and people, businesses, and organzation that perpetuated it, asking for recognition as a people group, and organizing boycotts. Well lets see...

1) By somebody organizing themselves, Nintendo's stance, at least on this game, was revealed, and now people know about it.

2) In the prior mentioned in the "Miiquality" effort, this was stated: "You import your personalized characters into the game. You name them. You give them a personality. You give them a voice. They just can't fall in love if they're gay."

Nobody accused of being homophobes, just stating that you're disrespecting people who are gay by not recognizing their lives in this game about emulating the experience of life.

3) People are deciding to boycott Nintendo for this decision, and are spreading the word.

Seems like all those conditions I mentioned are being met.

Additionally, I wouldn't exactly call The Escapist an "echo-chamber" when it comes to this type of stuff. See: your own post, this very thread, the recent Mozilla thing, the Duck Dynasty comments, the Chick-fil-a thing from two years ago, just to name a few of the bigger instances.

I wasn't calling just the Escapist an echo-chamber, I was calling the vast majority of the internet one.

None of those entities have changed their stance, not even Mozilla. It got one guy fired, and that's super shitty since his personal beliefs aren't supposed to interfere with how he worked in the company... and that was it. Very, very few people will ever take it a step past the hashtags or get off their rage boner in an angry post then pat themselves on the back for their good deed of the day, and promptly forget it. Those who are "boycotted" aren't exactly hurting from it seeing as there's incredibly little overlap between the community and the business so what change has been wrought other than people typing up how offended they are?

It takes a physical presence to actually get something done and as long as people feel change is done with an angry post that's not going to happen. It's simply a delusion and it is why a growing number of people get tired of hearing about it on either end.

 

[Olas]

I don't think this is out of malice or anything, Nintendo just has a long tradition of not wanting to be yelled at by religious nut jobs. They didn't like any religious iconography on games released on their systems, they had midway remove the blood from Mortal Kombat 1, and they wouldn't allow Binding of Issac to be released on the ds or 3ds.

When it comes to issues of LGBTQ, if you're not with us then you're part of the problem.

The biggest issue being faced is apathy or indifference to the issue and having it be ignored.

I don't understand. How exactly is apathy a problem? Isn't apathy what you should want? Isn't being apathetic towards race, gender, sexually etc the very definition of being non-discriminatory?

Perhaps you're conflating apathy with ignorance. However, even ignorance is nowhere near as bad as active discrimination. You can't call a game homophobic just because it doesn't feature gay characters, especially if the number of characters isn't particularly large, or if some of them are left sexually ambiguous.

It really seems like you're just trying to pick a fight to me. A fight with someone who has done nothing to express ill-will. Hell, if you really think it's so terrible for Nintendo to not include homosexuality in it's games why wait until this game to bring it up? Last time I checked Nintendo hasn't featured homosexuality in any previous games in their history spanning decades, at least not explicitly. Why is it only a problem now?

 

[Fulbert]

Home country view is irrelevant when they're so deeply involved with Western affairs.

If this line isn't in the American anthem somewhere, then it totally should be. It's West's attitude to the rest of the world in a nutshell.

 

[ace_of_something]

When it comes to issues of LGBTQ, if you're not with us then you're part of the problem.

The biggest issue being faced is apathy or indifference to the issue and having it be ignored.

Forgive my ignorance for I am simple country boy from a small town. But I've never seen that with a "Q" on the end of it and I've had a brother who's out and proud for almost 20 years now and have been a PFLAG supporter since 1999.

Still, all that. Never seen the 'Q'

EDIT: Weighing in on the actual article. I feel this is a non-issue. There much bigger fish to fry, plus Nintendo is a private company and can do what it wants. I guess I could boycott. But I don't buy Nintendo stuff anyway so...

 

[DarkRawen]

(I might regret this but...)

You know, people can support the cause without joining or siding with the LGBT movement, and they can certainly teach their children not to endorse homophobia on their own, without needing to side with any side at all.

Thing is though, that is, sort of, a pro-gay endorsement. You have a right to exist and not be harassed or mistreated for being gay. That, to pretty much every anti-gay organization I've ever had the misfortune of encountering or learning about, is in opposition to their platform. I've never encountered an organization that was, say, anti-gay marriage without being opposed to other pro-gay legislature as well, like anti-discrimination bills, gay adoption, or just plain any recognition from the government in general.

If somebody were to ask you "do you think we should get rid of racial segregation?", you couldn't stay neutral. You have to take a side, because in this hypothetical scenario there are laws on the books for segregation. To stay neutral is to support the status quo. The current status quo is still fairly homophobic, but is rapidly changing from what it used to be. To keep the trend of quoting MLK Jr, "In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends." If I have a friend or family member that doesn't think, say, that I should be able to get married or adopt, they don't respect me, or at least, not as much as they would if I were straight. If a friend or family member doesn't care whether I'm able to get married or adopt, they similarly don't respect me, or sometimes even worse, less than those in staunch opposition. At least some of the anti-gay think that they're somehow helping gay people by not allowing to them to do these things. At least that shows that they care about helping them.

:/ Assuming that people like that are just being like: "Nope, dunno about that issue, dun care" is sort of narrow-minded.

As the links demonstrated "dunno about that, don't care" can have a negative influence on children.

Yes, but one shouldn't assume that everyone who doesn't side with the LGBT don't care. Some people have reasons not to be vocal about it, or simply don't want to support the somewhat extreme arguments or assumption that seem to be what one hear the most of the movement (after all, the loudest ones are often the extreme ones).

As for the above thing, not being vocal =/= not caring. I certainly support the cause, but I'm still hesitant to interact with the group/movement, and don't associate myself with it despite being neither straight nor identifying as the sex I was born as. I can easily admit that I'm either, but that doesn't mean I'm willing to have a "with us or against us" stance on anything. Similarly, people have a lot of reasons for not being vocal about it, some peer pressure, some are unsure of where they stand, and so on. some people are just going through a lot of stuff and cannot fight a battle that's not their own, and that's their choice. I doubt there's a lot of people who simply don't care.

 

[Dragonbums]

You want to know what's the funniest thing about this whole situation? It's shaping up to be EXACTLY like the chic-fil-a incident. I have already seen an overwhelming amount of comments of people saying they will buy this game because it didn't have gay marriage in it and it pissed of the LGBTQ+ crowd. Won't that be fucking ironic.

 

[Rebel_Raven]

When it comes to issues of LGBTQ, if you're not with us then you're part of the problem.

The biggest issue being faced is apathy or indifference to the issue and having it be ignored.

Forgive my ignorance for I am simple country boy from a small town. But I've never seen that with a "Q" on the end of it and I've had a brother who's out and proud for almost 20 years now and have been a PFLAG supporter since 1999.

Still, all that. Never seen the 'Q'

EDIT: Weighing in on the actual article. I feel this is a non-issue. There much bigger fish to fry, plus Nintendo is a private company and can do what it wants. I guess I could boycott. But I don't buy Nintendo stuff anyway so...

Q is for "Questioning," IIRC. Open to the possibility that they might be in the other letter categories, and/or curious.


OT: I dunno. This isn't the company that made Senran Kagura, but this is the company that let it on their system, 3ds. A game about large breasted highschool girls, one of whom is obsessed with groping the rest of them. The stick can't be that far up their bums, can it?

Considering that Nintendo is considering allowing same sex relations after all if it gets positive reactions, I think that the thread might be a bit premature.

Then again, Nintendo said something similar about a Zelda game where you play as Zelda happening if it got positivity behind it. It kinda dropped off the face of the planet.

I kinda wanna give nintendo a chance to rectify things since the loss of access to same sex relations was, if nintendo is to be believed, a glitch and a memory leak. I'm definitely going to try and make a friendly suggestion to Nintendo via the suggestion area of the registration quiz on club nintendo.

Believe me, I definitely don't want my Mii forced into some uncomfortable straight relationship any more than others. I'm not looking to coddle Nintendo. If they screw this up, 'mma be plenty upset.