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Grey Day for Elcia

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Once upon a time, Nintendo was the force in gaming. Ah yes, many a kid grew up with a Nintendo branded console and handheld by their side at all times. A handful of very strong first party IPs saw Nintendo's name become all but synonymous for video game. Somewhere along the line, however, things began to change and what was once a king among digital entertainment is now a dated relic, irrelevant to modern gaming and completely out of ideas.

The Gamecube was perhaps Nintendo's defining moment in their march towards the cobwebs of forgotten names. Although possessing some terrific titles and being generally praised by critics and fans, the little lunchbox just didn't do all that well. Perhaps Sony was too great a competitor, or perhaps Nintendo had just drifted a little too far to the side-line. The handheld market, however, continued to print money for the aged monolith, with the various Gameboy iterations selling like free candy to fat kids.

The Wii was a massive success for Nintendo and there are perhaps more Wii's in homes than light bulbs. The flame sprung back into a bright blaze and things looked to be turning around, but then something happened; no games came out and no one knew what to do with their little white rectangle. The Wii may have sold in record amounts, but they now make better paper weights and dust collectors than gaming machines. What was once the glorious Nintendo mega-factory was reduced to a barren graveyard of weathered and flogged horses. IPs that were once young, popular and full of future, were ridden into the ground, reskined, rehashed and remade so many times that no one wants them any more. Nintendo is selling sand at the beach.

The handheld market, although still partially dominated by the NDS, didn't offer much else to fans, with a mirrored fate to that of its big brother, the Wii; no games came out and soon everyone forgot they owned the little buggers. With the absurdly fast rise to popularity of the iOS, the handheld market, once Nintendo's bread and butter, slipped through their fingers and eventually escaped their mighty grip all together.

Sony and Microsoft power ahead, with the latter utterly dominating the gaming scene, both console and computer. The former is less popular, but still maintains a strong presence and unleashes its own fair share of best sellers from time to time and remains a player in the modern gaming world. Big budget games like Call of Duty, Halo, Gears of War, Uncharted, The Elder Scrolls and Mass Effect set record sales and ensure a healthy supply of new fans are created every day. Meanwhile, Nintendo stubbornly refuses to embrace change, limits internet multiplayer in an age when such a thing is all but a must-have-feature in most games, and generally limps along the track, offering very little to an increasingly tired fanbase. Mini-game collections, party games and the rare big name are all they can manage to squeeze out for us, and that's just not good enough when there are so many other sources offering much, much more.

Although still quite prevalent in pure consoles sold, the brand Nintendo has lost virtually all of its worth and with the future looking more bleak than ever thanks to the entirely unasked for and, frankly, stupid looking WiiU, things seem rather bad. The game tap has trickled to a stop and Nintendo seems only interested in the Japanese market. But how long can it last there, I wonder.

Once upon a time, if you asked a child or even an adult what the first thing they thought of when they heard "video game" was, a lot of them would have mentioned a Nintendo system. Nowadays, "Playstation," "Xbox," "Halo," "Modern Warfare" and such are more frequent replies. When the increasingly older fans of Nintendo, who grew up with them and owned their very first console, age past gaming or simply vanish, what then? I don't think Nintendo has enough of a face or name to be relevant to the new generations of gamers.

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Jitters Caffeine

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Well, Nintendo is really the only TRUE "game company" of the big three, so you kind of know what their intentions are just by that. I think that Nintendo has kind of a problem with ignoring their systems when they're working on the next "big thing" they have in the works. When the WiiU was announced, perhaps even before, the Wii started to stagnate and just kind of lose steam with it's releases. Happened with the GBA and the DS as well. They have a VERY tabid fanbase of VERY loyal consumers ranging from a VARY widely varying demographic base. They'll be just fine as long as they keep doing what they're doing. They have the "nostalgia" market pretty much cornered, and no one takes them too seriously so they can push little babby ass shovel-ware like minigame collections for babbys and not see too many people get their panties twisted over it.

Yup, I think they'll do just fine. They survived the first big industry crash, and it only made them stronger.
 

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Elcarsh said:
Okay, here are my thoughts; your post is nothing but extremely loose conjecture based on a few things you simply thought up on the fly and are passing off as a market analysis. In essence, you had the idea that Nintendo is fucked and then you tried to find certain features in the current video game market to support that notion.
Pretty much this. You might be right, but you've presented absolutely no compelling evidence to suggest this.

basically it's just your unresearched, non-cited opinion.
 

Zhukov

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Actually, last I checked they're still doing okay.

They recently reported their first annual loss. Ever.

I personally have absolutely zero interest in their products, but calls of their demise are drastically premature.
 

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Elcarsh said:
Okay, here are my thoughts; your post is nothing but extremely loose conjecture based on a few things you simply thought up on the fly and are passing off as a market analysis. In essence, you had the idea that Nintendo is fucked and then you tried to find certain features in the current video game market to support that notion.
This and -

Jitters Caffeine said:
Well, Nintendo is really the only TRUE "game company" of the big three, so you kind of know what their intentions are just by that. I think that Nintendo has kind of a problem with ignoring their systems when they're working on the next "big thing" they have in the works. When the WiiU was announced, perhaps even before, the Wii started to stagnate and just kind of lose steam with it's releases. Happened with the GBA and the DS as well. They have a VERY tabid fanbase of VERY loyal consumers ranging from a VARY widely varying demographic base. They'll be just fine as long as they keep doing what they're doing. They have the "nostalgia" market pretty much cornered, and no one takes them too seriously so they can push little babby ass shovel-ware like minigame collections for babbys and not see too many people get their panties twisted over it.

Yup, I think they'll do just fine. They survived the first big industry crash, and it only made them stronger.
This.

Really not much else to be said imo.
 

Grey Day for Elcia

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Elcarsh said:
Okay, here are my thoughts; your post is nothing but extremely loose conjecture based on a few things you simply thought up on the fly and are passing off as a market analysis. In essence, you had the idea that Nintendo is fucked and then you tried to find certain features in the current video game market to support that notion.
Or, it's an opinion formed through years of watching, in my opinion, Nintendo become less and less relevant to the core gaming demographic. If it was a market analysis, would I not have, you know, talked more about the market and less about my opinion of Nintendo's offerings?
 

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Indecipherable said:
basically [sic] it's just your unresearched, non-cited[sic] opinion.
Yeah. It is. That's kind of, like, the whole point. I shared my thoughts and asked what you guys think. Sorry, were you expecting something else? Lol.
 

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Grey Day for Elcia said:
Or, it's an opinion formed through years of watching, in my opinion, Nintendo become less and less relevant to the core gaming demographic.
Call me crazy, but I couldn't find that being stated or even inferred in the OP...

Either way, I don't actually see that as a problem, as the "core gaming demographic" has changed dramatically over the past 10 years (or even stretch it out to the time frame you're talking about).
 

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distortedreality said:
Grey Day for Elcia said:
Or, it's an opinion formed through years of watching, in my opinion, Nintendo become less and less relevant to the core gaming demographic.
Call me crazy, but I couldn't find that being stated or even inferred in the OP...

Either way, I don't actually see that as a problem, as the "core gaming demographic" has changed dramatically over the past 10 years (or even stretch it out to the time frame you're talking about).
Considering I used words like good, bad, stupid looking and I don't think, opinion is inferred. See, subjective words mean subjective opinion.

The more you know!
 

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Grey Day for Elcia said:
distortedreality said:
Grey Day for Elcia said:
Or, it's an opinion formed through years of watching, in my opinion, Nintendo become less and less relevant to the core gaming demographic.
Call me crazy, but I couldn't find that being stated or even inferred in the OP...

Either way, I don't actually see that as a problem, as the "core gaming demographic" has changed dramatically over the past 10 years (or even stretch it out to the time frame you're talking about).
Considering I used words like good, bad, stupid looking and I don't think, opinion is inferred. See, subjective words mean subjective opinion.

The more you know!
An opinion is inferred, but not necessarily the opinion you just stated.

FYI - might be worth making your opinion clearer so people actually get what you're trying to say. All i'm getting from it is "Nintendo aren't the same company as they used to be and I don't like it" - and i'm sure there must be more to your post than that.

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distortedreality said:
Grey Day for Elcia said:
distortedreality said:
Grey Day for Elcia said:
Or, it's an opinion formed through years of watching, in my opinion, Nintendo become less and less relevant to the core gaming demographic.
Call me crazy, but I couldn't find that being stated or even inferred in the OP...

Either way, I don't actually see that as a problem, as the "core gaming demographic" has changed dramatically over the past 10 years (or even stretch it out to the time frame you're talking about).
Considering I used words like good, bad, stupid looking and I don't think, opinion is inferred. See, subjective words mean subjective opinion.

The more you know!
An opinion is inferred, but not necessarily the opinion you just stated.

FYI - might be worth making your opinion clearer so people actually get what you're trying to say. All i'm getting from it is "Nintendo aren't the same company as they used to be" - and i'm sure there must be more to your post than that.

captcha - in the limelight
I don't think you read or comprehended the post, if this is the case. I state, in no uncertain way, several times that I believe Nintendo is headed for obscurity. I also, again in no uncertain terms, say Nintendo is offering very little in the way of solid games and has ridden its core IP collection into the ground. I even close by saying, "I don't think Nintendo has enough of a face or name to be relevant to the new generations of gamers," adding earlier that I believe things look bad for Nintendo.

If you read the post thoroughly and take a second, you'll get it.
 

distortedreality

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Grey Day for Elcia said:
distortedreality said:
Grey Day for Elcia said:
distortedreality said:
Grey Day for Elcia said:
Or, it's an opinion formed through years of watching, in my opinion, Nintendo become less and less relevant to the core gaming demographic.
Call me crazy, but I couldn't find that being stated or even inferred in the OP...

Either way, I don't actually see that as a problem, as the "core gaming demographic" has changed dramatically over the past 10 years (or even stretch it out to the time frame you're talking about).
Considering I used words like good, bad, stupid looking and I don't think, opinion is inferred. See, subjective words mean subjective opinion.

The more you know!
An opinion is inferred, but not necessarily the opinion you just stated.

FYI - might be worth making your opinion clearer so people actually get what you're trying to say. All i'm getting from it is "Nintendo aren't the same company as they used to be" - and i'm sure there must be more to your post than that.

captcha - in the limelight
I don't think you read or comprehended the post, if this is the case. I state, in no uncertain way, several times that I believe Nintendo is headed for obscurity. I also, again in no uncertain terms, say Nintendo is offering very little in the way of solid games and has ridden its core IP collection into the ground. I even close by saying, "I don't think Nintendo has enough of a face or name to be relevant to the new generations of gamers," adding earlier that I believe things look bad for Nintendo.

If you read the post thoroughly and take a second, you'll get it.
Which really has nothing at all to do with the stated opinion above.

In order for the points you raised in the OP to be relevant to the stated opinion above, you would of actually had to define what you term as the "core gaming demographic", and why the lack of relevance towards this demographic tells you that Nintendo are heading for obscurity.

The points you made fly in the face of the success of the Wii, and the continued success of it's core collection of IP's. As others have said, you're perfectly entitled to your opinion, but when you have zero evidence to back it up, expect to be called on it.

As for relevance to the "new generations of gamers" - again, without a definition of what you think they are, it's hard to imagine exactly how said relevance is being lost. Especially when you consider how much money is being made in the casual and throw away game market, which is exactly the audience the Wii (and possibly the WiiU) is aimed at.

When you look at it from that point of view, you'll see why you're not getting the responses you're looking for.
 

distortedreality

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Grey Day for Elcia said:
distortedreality said:
When you look at it from that point of view, you'll see why you're not getting the responses you're looking for.
You go into conversations to get a certain response?
No, I start discussions with the expectation that what i'm discussing is worth discussing and that who i'm discussing it with will also think it's worth discussing and respond appropriately. In order for that to happen, I would have to make my opinion clear.

Otherwise the discussion is just me saying something, and I can do that alone.
 

Grey Day for Elcia

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distortedreality said:
Grey Day for Elcia said:
distortedreality said:
When you look at it from that point of view, you'll see why you're not getting the responses you're looking for.
You go into conversations to get a certain response?
No, I start discussions with the expectation that what i'm discussing is worth discussing and that who i'm discussing it with will also think it's worth discussing and respond appropriately. In order for that to happen, I would have to make my opinion clear.

Otherwise the discussion is just me saying something, and I can do that alone.
Actually, considering you've been the only person unable to understand the content, I don't think the post is the issue here.
 

distortedreality

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Grey Day for Elcia said:
Actually, considering you've been the only person unable to understand the content, I don't think the post is the issue here.
Fair enough, i'll move out of the way so the queue of eager posters interested in what you have to say and who wish to discuss your points can get involved.

Good day.
 

Grey Day for Elcia

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distortedreality said:
Grey Day for Elcia said:
Actually, considering you've been the only person unable to understand the content, I don't think the post is the issue here.
Fair enough, i'll move out of the way so the queue of eager posters interested in what you have to say and who wish to discuss your points can get involved.

Good day.
Thank you.

Also, just a heads up: you mess up the grammar of the I in words like I'll and I'm quite a bit. Dunno if your keyboard is broken or if you just didn't know to capitalize them.

It's not day here, so I'll say goodnight ^^
 

distortedreality

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Grey Day for Elcia said:
Thank you.

Also, just a heads up: you mess up the grammar of the I in words like I'll and I'm quite a bit. Dunno if your keyboard is broken or if you just didn't know to capitalize them.

It's not day here, so I'll say goodnight ^^
Is intentional, I never liked capitals just for the sake of having a capital. Always seemed a tad ridiculous to me. But then again, I thought the entirety of the english syllabus was useless when I was at school, so take that as you will.

Is night here as well, good day sounded cooler though.
 

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I think Nintendo will do fine they have a knack for turning it around, I think them aggresively targeting casual gamers with the Wii was a bad idea in the long run but thats not my concern.

They still remain a strong force in videogames and I cant see that changing despite their `rehased` games as the Op put it. However nobody else makes the same kind of games as Nintendo (except Okami which was zelda perfected).

Things can change quickly in the videogame industry so I wouldnt be so quick to dismiss any of the main players as irrelavent especially one with as much experience and as high a stake in the industry as Nintendo.