Nintendo: VR Isn't There Yet, We'll be on Board When it is

[VG_Addict]

On a somewhat related joke, would anyone else like a VR Zelda or Metroid?

Or even better, a VR Pokemon?

 

[Scars Unseen]

On a somewhat related joke, would anyone else like a VR Zelda or Metroid?

Or even better, a VR Pokemon?

Out of those three, Metroid VR would be the only one I'd be interested in, mostly because I think it would be a great fit for a Metroid Prime type game where Samus' helmet is the UI. I can't imagine a first person Zelda game(and I have no interest in third person perspective VR), and Pokemon never really grabbed me at all.

But Metroid on a HMD? Yeah, I'm now thinking I'd love to see the Dolphin emulator get Oculus Rift support.

 

[Strazdas]

oh, yes, youll get on board just like you got on board with CDs, no region locks, regular disc format, controllers, internet support.....
Oh, wait, you had to be dragged in screaming into all of those and still fail to deliver properly.

The touchscreen wasn't a good hardware decision? Nintendo obviously thinks it was.

Why does it need to be 60 FPS? Why does it even need to be 1080p for that matter?

and see how well that ended for nintendo.
1080p/60fps per eye is the bare minimum unless you like explosive vomiting from nausea.
without this (and many other factors mind you) your eyes are simply too good at distinguishing this as false information and think your getting mixed signals, body interprets that as food poisoning (because food poisoning actually does that) and vacates your stomach.

And yet 3D is still forced on us despite adding nothing of value. Just because something doesn't work doesn't mean publishers won't try their damnedest to make us use it anyway if they think it'll add an extra buck.

last time i saw a 3D movie was half a year ago and i did so by choice where another 2D version was playing quite close by 3 hours later. i chose 3D because i do not experience the negative sides of 3D so its only a bonus to me, but im not really a fanatic of it or anything. if its there fine, if not, fine as well.
so wheres the forcing?

Eh, I can believe the framerate needs to be consistent, but as far as needing to be 60fps or higher? I'll believe it when I experience it.

anything bellow is actually very choppy. very visually choppy. 60 was picked because of standard IPS screens maximum refresh rate (60hz), but the more the better. everyone with eyes can see a clear difference in fluidity as FPS gets higher, so the evidence for this needing to fool you into thinking its real life is quite obviuos.

Why is 1080p suddenly the benchmark? I would think even 1080p would be far too low if you truly want to fool the eyes, I'm not even sure 4k would do it. So you're saying that 1080p, which just so happens to be an industry standard for displays, is also coincidentally the lowest possible resolution that would work and anything lower would break the experience? I'm doubtful to say the least. I'm sure 1080p is better than 720p, and I would think 4k or 10k would be better than 1080, but it seems much more like it would be on a sliding scale than have a breaking point.

1080p is just what they found as the lowest limit that actually works. 4k would be better true. while the screens are very close, they are also very small, so the effect of looking at single pixel up clsoe is not that huge. i mean, if you were to compress 27" into 7" on same resolution pixelation from same distance would look differently, same principle applies.
1080p is more than 2 times more pixels than 720p. of course its better.
As to why we dont go for 4k? for one, 4k screens that small is very expensive, for two, it would need a very powerful computer to generate it at consistent framerate.

You say it's literally twice as hard, but that sounds like complete bullshit to me. Both images are nearly the same, they're just rendered from slightly different angles. You're saying the system needs to perform every single calculation in the game twice for that? Give me a break.

its true rendering isnt twice as demanding for static objects. it is for anything that moves or changes (particles for example) and also is every time you look around as the game does not actually keep objects drawn when you dont look at them. since you need framerate consitency you need for enough power to generate images while moving, looking around and having particle effects on at same time. framerate drops like in regualr games is not acceptable in VR, so you cant bank on "not going to happen most of the time". thus you need power to generate both just to be able to work in every situation.

Considering the fact that games like Doom and Minecraft are being made for Occulus, I don't think the outcry will be too terrible if Nintendo's games look a bit worse than whatever the others can do. If the scale truly is 2:1 across the board then Nintendo will be at the exact same disadvantage they're already at in terms of graphics.

have you seen Doom in high resolution with good antialiasing? it looks better than a few modern games. of course till you encounter low-res enemies. thing is, nintendo would be at a disadvantange, Sony will be at a disadvantange, Oculus wont, since PCs already can do that without lower the graphics.

 

[Strazdas]

A big comparable is 3d movies, and lets take Avatar for example. On the internet many complained about it giving them headaches called it all sorts of derogatory terms and suggested that 3D movies were just another fad like they were last time and wouldn't be going anywhere. Yet Avatar was I think the highest grossing movie ever, and 5 years later 3D movies are still going strong. Now there's more legitimate complaints about it being the dictionary definition of a 'gimmick', but like it or not it's one that the general public has accepted & adopted and is here to stay.

Now onto VR, the Occulus Rift had a highly successful kickstarter. There's a massive amount of personally testimonies from a wide range of industry veterans who've had a chance to try it and are now believers. And finally, Facebook just dropped a billion dollars to acquire it. Now while technically anything can still happen, you have to do some serious mental hurdles or be extremely self centered/opinionated to see this as anything but a home run waiting to happen.

BUt 3D movies that require glasses and special monitors/projectors is a fad. It was a fad in the 50s and people got bored of it. it was a fad in the 70s and people got bored of it. It is a fad in the 00s and so far people are not taking it for granted, 3D TV business have went belly up and theaters is basically the only place with them.
Now, a 3D screens with no glasses (3DS) is a whole different matter. that is actually a new invention.

As far as the concerns of 3D movies such as headaches and nausea, they are real and many people do experience this. those people avoid 3D movies when possible.
Avatar is not the most grossing movie ever, but it is in the top 10. it however was going to make well 3D or not becasue it had many factors going for it that is easy to make money off (not the right topic for that though).

So i wouldnt go on to tell that 3D is here to stay, because history teaches us otherwise. personally i experience no sideeffects of 3D, but in movies it just feels unnecessary (mostly because its not real 3D but rather post-processing so it feels layered) and in games it actually messes up with my depth perception rather than helps it. i just dont see the appeal, but yeah have your 3D as much as you want, im fine with that as long as you let me have my 2D too. but that does not mean its not a fad or its here to stay though.

I havent tried oculus myself, but people that tried it sound like zealot fanatics defending their religion, and i dont mean it in a bad way but rather "it left impression so great they would defend it no matter what".

Facebook actually dropped only 650 million into Oculus Rift. The rest are Facebook options and those are as good as useless for the company unless it wants to sell off and run away. not to mention that its not 2 billion anymore because the option prices are falling.

As far as VR goes, im cautiuosly optimistic. i like the idea of it, and i think Oculus is going into right direction, but its still far from what i really want, and that is VR where i dont need large spaces and omnitracks but rather can control it with my brainwaves.

 

[Casual Shinji]

And yet 3D is still forced on us despite adding nothing of value. Just because something doesn't work doesn't mean publishers won't try their damnedest to make us use it anyway if they think it'll add an extra buck.

last time i saw a 3D movie was half a year ago and i did so by choice where another 2D version was playing quite close by 3 hours later. i chose 3D because i do not experience the negative sides of 3D so its only a bonus to me, but im not really a fanatic of it or anything. if its there fine, if not, fine as well.
so wheres the forcing?

In that many movie theaters don't bother giving you the choice and make the 3D version default. I go watch any of the big Hollywood productions at the movie theater and it's go for 3D or go home.

 

[Strazdas]

And yet 3D is still forced on us despite adding nothing of value. Just because something doesn't work doesn't mean publishers won't try their damnedest to make us use it anyway if they think it'll add an extra buck.

last time i saw a 3D movie was half a year ago and i did so by choice where another 2D version was playing quite close by 3 hours later. i chose 3D because i do not experience the negative sides of 3D so its only a bonus to me, but im not really a fanatic of it or anything. if its there fine, if not, fine as well.
so wheres the forcing?

In that many movie theaters don't bother giving you the choice and make the 3D version default. I go watch any of the big Hollywood productions at the movie theater and it's go for 3D or go home.

i can see how this can be a problem. here we usually have multiple "Rooms" playing movies (the modern theaters here have 5 or so) and often its more like 2 rooms playing 3D version, 1 room playing 2D version and 2 other rooms playing different movies, so we get to choose if we want to. Not always granted, especially with less popular movies but so far i have been able to choose when i wanted. Sucks that your theaters arent as good.

 

[xaszatm]

A big comparable is 3d movies, and lets take Avatar for example. On the internet many complained about it giving them headaches called it all sorts of derogatory terms and suggested that 3D movies were just another fad like they were last time and wouldn't be going anywhere. Yet Avatar was I think the highest grossing movie ever, and 5 years later 3D movies are still going strong. Now there's more legitimate complaints about it being the dictionary definition of a 'gimmick', but like it or not it's one that the general public has accepted & adopted and is here to stay.

Now onto VR, the Occulus Rift had a highly successful kickstarter. There's a massive amount of personally testimonies from a wide range of industry veterans who've had a chance to try it and are now believers. And finally, Facebook just dropped a billion dollars to acquire it. Now while technically anything can still happen, you have to do some serious mental hurdles or be extremely self centered/opinionated to see this as anything but a home run waiting to happen.

BUt 3D movies that require glasses and special monitors/projectors is a fad. It was a fad in the 50s and people got bored of it. it was a fad in the 70s and people got bored of it. It is a fad in the 00s and so far people are not taking it for granted, 3D TV business have went belly up and theaters is basically the only place with them.
Now, a 3D screens with no glasses (3DS) is a whole different matter. that is actually a new invention.

As far as the concerns of 3D movies such as headaches and nausea, they are real and many people do experience this. those people avoid 3D movies when possible.
Avatar is not the most grossing movie ever, but it is in the top 10. it however was going to make well 3D or not becasue it had many factors going for it that is easy to make money off (not the right topic for that though).

So i wouldnt go on to tell that 3D is here to stay, because history teaches us otherwise. personally i experience no sideeffects of 3D, but in movies it just feels unnecessary (mostly because its not real 3D but rather post-processing so it feels layered) and in games it actually messes up with my depth perception rather than helps it. i just dont see the appeal, but yeah have your 3D as much as you want, im fine with that as long as you let me have my 2D too. but that does not mean its not a fad or its here to stay though.

I havent tried oculus myself, but people that tried it sound like zealot fanatics defending their religion, and i dont mean it in a bad way but rather "it left impression so great they would defend it no matter what".

Facebook actually dropped only 650 million into Oculus Rift. The rest are Facebook options and those are as good as useless for the company unless it wants to sell off and run away. not to mention that its not 2 billion anymore because the option prices are falling.

As far as VR goes, im cautiuosly optimistic. i like the idea of it, and i think Oculus is going into right direction, but its still far from what i really want, and that is VR where i dont need large spaces and omnitracks but rather can control it with my brainwaves.

Uh, something must be wrong with the quote button because I'm not the one who said that.

 

[Strazdas]

Uh, something must be wrong with the quote button because I'm not the one who said that.

no idea how that happened. i wanst multiquoting even. Fixed now, sorry for the mistake.

 

[Olas]

oh, yes, youll get on board just like you got on board with CDs, no region locks, regular disc format, controllers, internet support.....
Oh, wait, you had to be dragged in screaming into all of those and still fail to deliver properly.

I'm not sure how Nintendo was dragged kicking and screaming into disks/CDs or controllers, and while they may have terrible online multiplayer, they never shied away from internet access in general.

The touchscreen wasn't a good hardware decision? Nintendo obviously thinks it was.

Why does it need to be 60 FPS? Why does it even need to be 1080p for that matter?

and see how well that ended for nintendo.

The DS is the highest selling mobile platform of all time, it's sold almost as many units as the PS2. The 3DS is still in it's lifecycle but has already sold more units than the Gamecube or original Xbox. I think the experiment was a success.

 

[Strazdas]

oh, yes, youll get on board just like you got on board with CDs, no region locks, regular disc format, controllers, internet support.....
Oh, wait, you had to be dragged in screaming into all of those and still fail to deliver properly.

I'm not sure how Nintendo was dragged kicking and screaming into disks/CDs or controllers, and while they may have terrible online multiplayer, they never shied away from internet access in general.

Nintendo wanted to use cartridges when whole world was already using CDs, they were the last adopters of CDs and were pretty much forced to do it or go bancrupt.
Nintendo does not shy away form internet? is thats why they sleectively disable internet because they think they know better and imagine themselves to be your nanny who knows what sites you can look at?

 

[FFMaster]

Nintendo does not shy away form internet? is thats why they sleectively disable internet because they think they know better and imagine themselves to be your nanny who knows what sites you can look at?

Evidence please that Nintendo selective disable the internet and control what sites you look at.

Never heard of any sort of filters on the browser of the WiiU and not encountered any myself, its never been mentioned before and quite frankly i think you are making it up in a massively hyperbolic way.

Are you by any chance just doing your normal threadcrapping that happens whenever Nintendo is mentioned?

As an FYI Nintendo were one of the first companies to use the internet with the satellaview satellite addon for the SNES that was released in JAPAN, they just stuck with coach gaming rather than online gaming during the wii years.