Honestly, like with most things where people assume that it's greed, it's probably just laziness.
No Backwards Compatibility - One of the many signs of industry greed?
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Backwards compatibility becomes less of a corporate concern as a systems library grows players have more and better titles to choose from thus digging out a last gen title is less likely, these emulation systems also cost money hence Sony cutting them in order to reach the break even point in terms of console price. You also need to understand their are technical limitations on what can be emulate on the newer systems, each generation has a drastically different architecture and coding requirements and trying to emulate the older systems is no easy task try running a 15 year old pc title on current tech theres tons of issues.
But those are technical points, to adress the OP's false arguments no one is preventing you from playing older games on older consoles or forcing you to buy them of off xbl or psn, by that logic cd's dvd's and blu rays, any technology that has advanced and requires the use of a new medium is extortion or intentional gougeing so we should all still be listening to phonagraphs watching celluliod acitate films, technology advances things change outdated devices become obsolete and are abandoned it not feasible to countinually add complete backwards compatibility to each sucessive device, worst yet the Op's whole argument is fairly moot both the 360 and ps3 and wii have backwards compatibility to the previous generation the ps3 even goes back 2, it's ridiculous to expect any more than that for what is only a needed feature for a few months.
But those are technical points, to adress the OP's false arguments no one is preventing you from playing older games on older consoles or forcing you to buy them of off xbl or psn, by that logic cd's dvd's and blu rays, any technology that has advanced and requires the use of a new medium is extortion or intentional gougeing so we should all still be listening to phonagraphs watching celluliod acitate films, technology advances things change outdated devices become obsolete and are abandoned it not feasible to countinually add complete backwards compatibility to each sucessive device, worst yet the Op's whole argument is fairly moot both the 360 and ps3 and wii have backwards compatibility to the previous generation the ps3 even goes back 2, it's ridiculous to expect any more than that for what is only a needed feature for a few months.
I'm getting constantly sick of people saying "No one is forcing you to do such and such", because its defending the fact that publishers will constantly be taking stuff out of finished games to sell later as DLC, or in this case, as Sony is doing right now, selling PS2 games that they banned. They notice you're defending it. They will keep doing it if you defend it. Eventually we'll have games that have the exact bare minimum, and the rest bought by DLC. Sims 3 for example.
I'd like to point out this has been every console manufacturers strategy, take the initial loss on the console and make it up in game sales while reducing manufacturing costs thats why its a huge deal when a console hits the break even point which is normally 2-3 years after launch since then console prices can be reduced increasing the number of games sold dramatically. The ps3 hit the break even point in 08 if I remember correctly and thus haven't been sold at a loss for some time.Bobbity said:
I made sure my sister bought me a backwards compatible one for X-mas. And every original Xbox game I have plays in my system so I'm not complaining either.OrokuSaki said:
The problem is that I know that my PS2 will die one day. One day the laser will burn out and I'll either buy yet another PS2 or get a PS3, but then I wouldn't be able to play ps2 games anymore. That sucks.
They didn't ban any games certain ps2 titles couldn't run on the emulation software the ps3 used due to it not being an exact copy of the ps2's actual architecture since the ps3 couldn't run it thats called a technical limitation they tend to crop up from time to time. As for your argument on the whole I 'm sick of people who believe every business is out to screw them by reducing its product, those remakes were made by the developers not Sony or Microsoft because the developers thought there was a market for their product, do you seriously think everyone in business is in cahoots with each other so they can screw us over?Denariax said:
As for the dlc argument most of it is content created after the game has been finished the restis stuff that was cut due to budget and time constrains that you would have never seen other wise, look at any old game and theres dummied out content now thanks to digital distribution were actually getting to see some of that in the form of dlc. Damn developers trying to give us more of the games we love.
Remakes? No, no, these HD rereleases aren't remakes, they're the same game with antialias and HDTV settings, it doesn't make them any better than whats already there. They're not 'in cahoots'; they do it because they're greedy.scar_47 said:
Not all DLC is created afterwards. Some are taken directly out of the finished game to be sold at a later time; Marvel vs Capcom 3's Jill and Shuma-Gorath fiasco, for starters. DLC is fine, but don't take stuff out to sell later.
I'll agree that it does but your in the same boat as is everyone who's hobby involves older technologies think of the classic car enthusiast or people who like viynl records eventually the demand becomes great enough that companies start to manufacture new parts, odds are with games it'll come in the form of emulators and re manufactured controllers but you get the point we'll still be able to play them.Racecarlock said:
Actually the new Wii's which don't have a vertical stand aren't backwards compatible with GameCube discs or accessories. This bothers me since that means I won't be able to use GCN controllers if I ever had to replace my Wii with a new one. Plus, it's the only way to get a physical Super Mario Galaxy 2 soundtrack in the U.S., and I love that sort of thing...Kitsuna10060 said:
1) As other people have noted PCs have almost no backwards compatibility problems. So perhaps you should stop purchasing subpar gaming systems who's only advantages are their ability to plug-and-play. A feat that laptops can equal anyways(yes you can plug it into your widescreen TV, you don't need to use the tiny screen.)
2) The mafia is essentially a corporation in every meaningful way. They merely sell products that are illegal, and thus must enforce their dealing through illegal methods as well.
3) To update the compatibility of a game requires programmers working to do so. Programmers do not work for free. Ergo the company has to make money off their efforts making games compatible in order to pay the programmers for the time they spent. Therefore they have to charge you a cost to make the game compatible with the new OS and the new hardware; because they are not a charity. Do they try to make a good profit off of doing it? Of course they do. They will charge whatever you will pay because that is how the market works. If you collectively stop paying for that product then they will either lower the price or more likely they will can the entire work of making things compatible. Because at a certain point the programmer becomes more valuable if he's working on a new game instead of letting you play the old one on the new system. To demand that he simply work for free or reduced pay for your benefit is insane.
4) As for DLC(which some people have mentioned) the same rules apply. Buy it or don't. Economics is the only place in the world where direct democracy exists. If you don't like their making DLC to try to gouge you out of more money, then do not buy it. If you feel the game without the DLC is lacking in content and thus not worth the money, then do not buy it either.
Vote with your wallet and determine their course of action. The money they make from your buying DLC or your rebuying an old game with newly added compatibility will go towards making more games and more content in the same vein. So think of it as an investment in that company and investment in something you enjoy.
2) The mafia is essentially a corporation in every meaningful way. They merely sell products that are illegal, and thus must enforce their dealing through illegal methods as well.
3) To update the compatibility of a game requires programmers working to do so. Programmers do not work for free. Ergo the company has to make money off their efforts making games compatible in order to pay the programmers for the time they spent. Therefore they have to charge you a cost to make the game compatible with the new OS and the new hardware; because they are not a charity. Do they try to make a good profit off of doing it? Of course they do. They will charge whatever you will pay because that is how the market works. If you collectively stop paying for that product then they will either lower the price or more likely they will can the entire work of making things compatible. Because at a certain point the programmer becomes more valuable if he's working on a new game instead of letting you play the old one on the new system. To demand that he simply work for free or reduced pay for your benefit is insane.
4) As for DLC(which some people have mentioned) the same rules apply. Buy it or don't. Economics is the only place in the world where direct democracy exists. If you don't like their making DLC to try to gouge you out of more money, then do not buy it. If you feel the game without the DLC is lacking in content and thus not worth the money, then do not buy it either.
Vote with your wallet and determine their course of action. The money they make from your buying DLC or your rebuying an old game with newly added compatibility will go towards making more games and more content in the same vein. So think of it as an investment in that company and investment in something you enjoy.
What do you want from a re release? Should blu rays of classic movies contain new extras? The whole point is to allow people to either experience one of their favorite games from years back that they no longer poses or to allow people who never played the game before to final experience it, the later is an important distinction NEW players god forbid someone doesn't want to pay the 60 dollars it'd cost you to get a ps1 with all the fixins just to play crash bandicoot becomes they never picked it up. Anyone who's already boughten and played one of these games buys it because the enjoyed the game originally and want to experience that again and to you this is a bad thing?Denariax said:
As to the dlc I was speaking to the majority of it sure theirs games with locked content it easy to spot too small file sizes or day 1 dlc are huge indicators of this and I agree its BS simple solution don't buy it only support real dlc and devs won't lock content, every time it happens theres a huge uproar so I see it as an issue already being dealt with.
What do I want from a re-release? I don't bloody want a re-release. I want new interesting ideas; this is coming from a guy who enjoyed the Sonic games after the Genesis ones because every one of them tried something new and interesting. Hell, anyone that wants to go and replay an old game, go get an emulator, they're easy to use and pretty much work on most computers nowadays. If I buy a next-gen console, I expect next-gen ideas, not the crap I played last-gen.scar_47 said:
Oh boy.
CORPORATIONS, MYAN. GREED.
Look, removing backwards compatibility makes one product less marketable. It is one less feature. It is one less thing to put on the back of the box. It is something that your competitors can have and and talk shit about you for not having. Typically, companies shy away from that.
Backwards compatibility was meant to be in the Xbox 360 but was removed because Miscrosoft lost the rights to a part from the original Xbox that was vital for backwards compatibility. It is not their fault.
Besides, why, if they are so greedy and are removing backwards compatibility on purpose to make you download the old games, would they offer free emulation of old games that one might own the disc for in an attempt to mimic backwards compatibility?
Source: http://www.gamespot.com/features/6152686/progress-report-xbox-360-backward-compatibility
CORPORATIONS, MYAN. GREED.
Look, removing backwards compatibility makes one product less marketable. It is one less feature. It is one less thing to put on the back of the box. It is something that your competitors can have and and talk shit about you for not having. Typically, companies shy away from that.
Backwards compatibility was meant to be in the Xbox 360 but was removed because Miscrosoft lost the rights to a part from the original Xbox that was vital for backwards compatibility. It is not their fault.
Besides, why, if they are so greedy and are removing backwards compatibility on purpose to make you download the old games, would they offer free emulation of old games that one might own the disc for in an attempt to mimic backwards compatibility?
Source: http://www.gamespot.com/features/6152686/progress-report-xbox-360-backward-compatibility
heh, heh.teebeeohh said:
the other funny thing, is if you install legacy operating systems, emulators and mods you can run nearly anything ever made, although some of it is somewhat illegal
in fact, i'm not sure of the legality of emulating something if you own a licence for it
i would assume it's legal.. but whatever.
I specifically asked about backwards compatibility when I bought my PS3 and, was told that it wasn't at all compatible with PSX or PS2 games. Years later, or rather weeks ago, I discover from a non-Gamestop retailer that the slim PS3 I bought can in-fact play PSX games. 99 cents and a car-drive later, I'm playing Syphon Filter on my PS3! This is after I've bought digital copies of Final Fantasy 8 and, 9 completely unaware that Gamestop and Sony tag team, corn-holed me!!
I hate how new consoles don't support older software, it's why I consider the DSlite and GBAsp to be Nintendo's best handheld consoles. The classic consoles are getting older and, a time will come when they're all dead and gone. Once that happens, it won't matter that you still own your cartridges and, discs. It's just not the same playing a classic game on a modern console either. As the OP said, a select list of Xbox games are playable on the 360 but there are always glitches when you pop in those discs be they audio or visual. Also, those plug-n-play consoles are of a really poor quality (at least, the ones I've played with are). I really hope that's not a future of the classic games I love but if that happens, at least they'll have a physical future.
If Nintendo and Sega were to re-open plants dedicated to re-publishing their cartridge based games, I'd bet a ton of people would grab those classic games up.
I hate how new consoles don't support older software, it's why I consider the DSlite and GBAsp to be Nintendo's best handheld consoles. The classic consoles are getting older and, a time will come when they're all dead and gone. Once that happens, it won't matter that you still own your cartridges and, discs. It's just not the same playing a classic game on a modern console either. As the OP said, a select list of Xbox games are playable on the 360 but there are always glitches when you pop in those discs be they audio or visual. Also, those plug-n-play consoles are of a really poor quality (at least, the ones I've played with are). I really hope that's not a future of the classic games I love but if that happens, at least they'll have a physical future.
If Nintendo and Sega were to re-open plants dedicated to re-publishing their cartridge based games, I'd bet a ton of people would grab those classic games up.