No Backwards Compatibility - One of the many signs of industry greed?

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Wintermoot

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probably although PC gamers don,t have to worry about that BS any windows OS after XP has compatibility mode and DOS games can be run through DOSbox (the only problem being that diskettes are a outdated medium)
 

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fenrizz said:
Sure, the Japanese PS3's would be cheaper without backwards compatibility since it had a PS2 hardware.
But the European and American versions of the PS3 had backwards compatibility via software.

I can't imagine that they saved a whole lot of money from removing that.

I think they did it so they could sell us old PSX titles via the Playstation Store.
Ah, the uninformed. US and EU had PS3s with PS2 hardware built in as well. In the US, it was the 60GB and 20GB models. The 80GB had emulation which barely worked, and after that all future models had none. Also, all PS3s still play PS1 (not PSX, which is another existing product that combines a PS2 with a DVR) games, so they didn't remove that to sell the games via the Playstation Store because you can still play them just fine if you have the discs.

daemon37 said:
Nintendo only recently got onto the backwards compatible bandwagon
Wrong. Haven't you ever heard of the Game Boy? Remember when the Game Boy Advance came out and still played all the old Game Boy Games? Remember when the DS came out and it still played all the old Game Boy Advance games? Remember when the 3DS came out and it still played all the old DS games?

Does anyone do their research before posting?! Christ.
 

Moonlight Butterfly

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ultimateownage said:
Why would you sell your old console but keep all of the fucking games?

ACman said:
This is the real reason that the PC is the home of the Gaming Master Race.
Go and try play PC games from DOS or earlier. Hell, try play any game from before XP. Windows is the most reliable for running old programs, and that's because Microsoft have put countless time into making sure things don't stop working when they change any tiny thing about their operating systems. The more advanced the Operating System is, the less likely the older games will work. All computers are theoretically backwards compatible, but that's only because the base components haven't changed dramatically. The software has, though.
There are plenty of ways you can play old games on PC one of them is to change the compatability options in properties. There is also specific programs to help run old games. PC is one of the systems that will mostly always be able to play ancient games.
 
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What are you talking about? Backwards Compatibility is more common now then ever before. All three major systems have some form of it, compare to when I was a kid and that number was zero. It's a tough problem for the hardware developers and since their reward for all their hard work is fewer sales I think it's kind of surprising how much compatibility we have.
 

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So you're complaining a console has no backwards compatibility ?

One question:
On what planet did you live the last 25 years ?

Because, what console had that ?
I remember when the SNES came out and first it was said, it could play my old NES games, no, it didn't.
You allways had to buy third party adapters.

You wanna play your old games forever ?
Buy a PC.

I'm still playing Dune 2.
 

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Kopikatsu said:
They took it out because it was the least vital thing they could remove to bring prices down.

Why did they want to bring prices down? Because people bitched about the prices.

Edit: You do realize that Sony sells PS3s at a loss, right? They sell them for LESS than it costs to make them.
Well, maybe they should've built a console that isn't shit. There's a reason they're selling them at a loss, you know. It's not the consumer's fault for not wanting to pay 600 fucking dollars for a console with mostly the same games as a console that was sold at about half the price and released way earlier. The PS3 did have a good price for being a blu-ray player that also played games at the time; it was the same move they more successfully pulled off with the PS2. The thing is, the average person didn't even have an HDTV at the time, and getting a TV that could fully utilize the extra detail that comes with Blu Ray was another several hundred dollars down the toilet. So the PS3 is overall a failure because of the gigantic investment involved in getting it for the average person, as well as the reliance on more savvy gamers not already having an Xbox 360. Point is, Sony made some pretty terrible decisions that they obviously didn't think through enough.

Plus, they obviously didn't remove the ability of the PS3 to play PS2 games, since they're SELLING them online now. It's just the same crap that Nintendo pulled by not letting the Wii play DVDs even though its disc reader is fully capable of doing so; it can be very easily done with the right software, but the illusion of the ability not being there is what they were relying on.
 

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What does it matter though? If you've got PS2 games, you more than likely already have a PS2, so just play the game on that. I plug my PS2 in when it's needed the same way I hook up the N64 when I want to play Star Fox instead of bitching that the Wii can't run it. I suppose some people bought a PS3 but not a PS2, but then why would you have PS2 games instead of just buying the remake online? Still doesn't make sense.
Consoles Break, Not everybody is too lazy to plug in a old console
Then complain about the console being poorly made, not backwards compatibility. I also doubt that the bulk of these people all had their old consoles break. The stats are fairly low for most consoles' failure rates. I don't know anyone whose PS2 died yet, but I know a lot of people complaining about backwards compatibility.
 

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Actually Game Informer magazine briefly covered this.

You realize how much it costs to make extra code or how much it would cost to put in the extra software needed to keep all consoles backwards compatible?
Short answer, A LOT.

Also, some games will not work on the systems because it would require a lot of bebugging and a lot of time in order for them to work on a modern console.

Honestly, you WANT, no you NEED the companies to turn a profit. Cutting out some code or software is an easy way to cut costs of consoles. It may suck, but this is how business works.
 

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Racecarlock said:
OrokuSaki said:
Or, if you're like me, you can buy the old PS3 that has backwards compatibility, put a bigger hard drive in it, and pray that it doesn't break down.
Wait, they HAD backwards compatibility and they took it OUT?! That's even worse! Now I'm convinced it IS extortion. Also, I only have a 360. Was cheaper at the time.
You didn't know that? The original models (20GB, 60GB, 80GB) had backwards compatibility. They took it out because it cost too much.... i think.
 

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chaosyoshimage said:
Kitsuna10060 said:
chaosyoshimage said:
By the way, you guys know Nintendo is doing this again with the Wii right?
the wii is diffrent, in that the games on the virtual consul aren't even play able by plugging them into the system (cause you can't) so far as i know it still plays game cube games
Actually the new Wii's which don't have a vertical stand aren't backwards compatible with GameCube discs or accessories. This bothers me since that means I won't be able to use GCN controllers if I ever had to replace my Wii with a new one. Plus, it's the only way to get a physical Super Mario Galaxy 2 soundtrack in the U.S., and I love that sort of thing...
ah, well the more ya know, good thing mines the up right kind then, or you mean the wii u?
 

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Did you ever consider for a second that maybe putting backwards compatibility into the consoles isn't a feasible option for these companies? Maybe there's just too much of a difference btwn the old software and the new hardware. Did you consider any of these things or were you to busy being self-centered and whining like a spoiled brat?
 

Aeshi

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Well most of the games that would be run via backwards-compatibility are probably bought used anyway so they probably don't care either way.
 

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Still Life said:
Corporation, noun:

A company or group of people authorized to act as a single entity (legally a person) and recognized as such in law.
I prefer:
CORPORATION, n. Neither meat nor fish, but usually foul

Or the one by Ambrose Bierce:

CORPORATION, n. An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility.
 

Still Life

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Autolykos said:
Still Life said:
Corporation, noun:

A company or group of people authorized to act as a single entity (legally a person) and recognized as such in law.
I prefer:
CORPORATION, n. Neither meat nor fish, but usually foul

Or the one by Ambrose Bierce:

CORPORATION, n. An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility.
How wonderfully cynical. I see you've been reading the Devil's Dictionary.
 

zehydra

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oh dear. I guess any more than the bare minimum profit for these companies is automatically "greedy thieving businessmen stealing money out from your pockets".

Give me a break, you don't have to purchase any of this. If you think not including backwards-compatibility is rubbish, then don't purchase their product!

It's not extortion, and why the hell do you have to buy them back again? Just go play it on your old XBOX.
 

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ACman said:
Spoon E11 said:
ACman said:
Spoon E11 said:
ACman said:
This is the real reason that the PC is the home of the Gaming Master Race.

Except the games that I want to play came with 16 bit installers and now that I have a 64-bit OS it's impossible to play them.
Out of interest which games?
Namely: Star wars episode 1 podracer.

there were some others but I cant remember them
Anything that required windows I've found usually works in XP compatibility mode running as administrator. Other than that I've always found DOSBox to be a faithful aid.

16 bit installers are literally impossible to run on 64 bit windows. In some cases you might get lucky and windows will supply a generic 32 bit replacement. But in some cases it will literally not work. Without installing it on a 32 bit OS and copying data along with regestry values. And frankly I don't feel comfortable with doing that.
 

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Kitsuna10060 said:
ah, well the more ya know, good thing mines the up right kind then, or you mean the wii u?
Nope, although that doesn't support Cube stuff either (Although that doesn't really bother me since it's a brand new console). The new Wii is this one: http://www.amazon.com/Console-Super-Mario-Bros-Bundle-nintendo/dp/B005QWYKOE/ref=sr_tr_sr_4?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1320096120&sr=1-4
 

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chaosyoshimage said:
Kitsuna10060 said:
ah, well the more ya know, good thing mines the up right kind then, or you mean the wii u?
Nope, although that doesn't support Cube stuff either (Although that doesn't really bother me since it's a brand new console). The new Wii is this one: http://www.amazon.com/Console-Super-Mario-Bros-Bundle-nintendo/dp/B005QWYKOE/ref=sr_tr_sr_4?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1320096120&sr=1-4
i see .... well that's just kinda shitty :/, again, good thing mines the old one (not that i have any GC games mind you) bummer for every one else though :(
 

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JambalayaBob said:
Kopikatsu said:
They took it out because it was the least vital thing they could remove to bring prices down.

Why did they want to bring prices down? Because people bitched about the prices.

Edit: You do realize that Sony sells PS3s at a loss, right? They sell them for LESS than it costs to make them.
Well, maybe they should've built a console that isn't shit. There's a reason they're selling them at a loss, you know. It's not the consumer's fault for not wanting to pay 600 fucking dollars for a console with mostly the same games as a console that was sold at about half the price and released way earlier. The PS3 did have a good price for being a blu-ray player that also played games at the time; it was the same move they more successfully pulled off with the PS2. The thing is, the average person didn't even have an HDTV at the time, and getting a TV that could fully utilize the extra detail that comes with Blu Ray was another several hundred dollars down the toilet. So the PS3 is overall a failure because of the gigantic investment involved in getting it for the average person, as well as the reliance on more savvy gamers not already having an Xbox 360. Point is, Sony made some pretty terrible decisions that they obviously didn't think through enough.

Plus, they obviously didn't remove the ability of the PS3 to play PS2 games, since they're SELLING them online now. It's just the same crap that Nintendo pulled by not letting the Wii play DVDs even though its disc reader is fully capable of doing so; it can be very easily done with the right software, but the illusion of the ability not being there is what they were relying on.
The way they handled backwards compatibility before and now is completely different. Early PS3s had PS2 hardware in them giving it 99% compatibility but placing the GS and EE was too expensive, currently they are using tweaked emulators/ports, and coding those isn't cheap as people have pointed out.
 

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If you have old Xbox, PS2 etc.. games, chances are YOU HAVE A PS2, XBOX, GAMECUBE etc.. Why don't you use that? The next gen systems are made differently than their predecessors, making hardware emulation tricky and software emulation unreliable. Why don't you just use your old system. Its worth like $10 anyway, might as well keep it....