No Right Answer: Are Gamers Dead?

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CaitSeith

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Most people in the forums don't worry about what the word "gamer" means (or at least most of those who stumbled into my poll a couple of weeks ago don't, which amount less than 1% of the Escapist members...) other than meaning "a person who plays games".
Do you know the definition on gamer? (blatant self-promoting forum poll) [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.859398-Poll-Do-you-know-the-definition-on-gamer]

The title made me remember the infamous The End of Gamers article, but that's something that the Escapist already addressed in their own article.
 

gamegod25

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This was a different type of discussion than I thought it was going to be. From the title I thought it was going to be about the difference between casual and hardcore gamers, not the gamer "culture" or definition at large.

Personally I would agree that despite gaming becoming (at least more so) mainstream the stigma and stereotype "gamer" is still what most non-gamers think of. Unfortunately that image of gamers as anti-social, basement dwelling, etc. weirdos will probably take a while yet to fade away.
 

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Gamers are anyone who is passionate about games, end of story.

Right now there is a movement by several individuals who wish to change the narrative and the landscape to fit their definitions of what the word means, and the landscape where it exists. Problem is, evidence just doesn't support them. It just doesn't.

Gamers were born out of a culture that was largely derided back in their day, so they circled the wagons and became just another subset of nerd/geek culture. They had a name. Thing is, that name is stuck now. Companies who make games, talk about games, make tertiary gaming products like merchandise, use the name "gamer". They use it to market their product and create a consumer culture to sustain themselves. Gaming Journalism also does this. It's not going to go away just because several people don't like a select few people from that consumer culture.

Gaming is inclusive now, and always has been. It's a market, and markets do not deny anyone entry if they are willing and want the product.

I've always been a fan of the saying, "practice what you preach." I think the people demanding calling for diversity would be the first people to demonstrate it themselves... right?



Huh. Strange.
 

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Gaming and "gamers" are more alive than ever. The gamer identity is something for people who are games enthusiasts, people who see gaming as one of their primary free time pursuits, people who not only play a lot of games, but read about gaming, read the gaming news, read critiques, and also socialize with other gamers.

This definition does not preclude women from being gamers, it does not preclude black people, it does not preclude older people, it does not preclude any human being from claiming the gamer identity. I have known people from all walks of life who are gamers and it has never been an issue.

I think the reactionary, and ultimately self defeating, articles we saw recently declaring "gamers are dead", came from a very frustrated games press. They have a lot to be stressed out about. Making money is as difficult as ever as a games writer, with online content all being given out for free and having to rely on ads, which are often time being blocked by a larger percentage of the readership, in order to fund everything, from the web hosting, to the payroll, to the taxes, etc.

Not only is making money writing about games very difficult, but now Youtubers, who seem to be immune to any criticism over ethics or getting paid to cover games, seem to be almost replacing traditional print as taste makers. If you look at the the new Steam curators lists, TotalBiscuit, a prominent Youtuber, has far and away the most subscribers.

I know there has historically been a not insubstantial number of games writers who have sought jobs in the industry, and with pay so low the field tends to attract people who are passionate about games. When you are a games writer and you get to have contact with a developer or publisher who have made games you love, games you venerate, and is a company you might even wish you could work for someday, it is only natural that some games writers may end up developing a relationship that is too close. This is something that has not really been closely scrutinized until lately, and I think this is part of what has set off the games writers, I don't think they want their readership to question how close is too close when it comes to the developers and publishers they cover.

Games writers already have a heavy load, with pressure to create content on a constant basis, to have to rush through games to meet review deadlines, and when you add on top of that the rise of video content and Youtube, and the close scrutiny of their relationships with the people they cover, I am not surprised that some of them reacted the way they did. I think they see #gamergate as a personal attack against themselves and overreacted. It doesn't help that, the Internet being the Internet, a lot of writers have been receiving awful and disgusting personal attacks. Attacks that are unwarranted and in some cases illegal. Attacks that should stop, but that the rest of us gamers are just as powerless to stop as the writers themselves.

Unfortunately by taking the reactionary steps that some games writers did I think they just hurt themselves further and fanned the #gamergate flames. The way to stop a flame war is not to flame back, but to either enforce moderation through whatever tools your forums offer, or to keep your statements professional and focused solely on the issues at hand. You can never win a fight you pick with the people who keep your lights on.
 

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I'm a gamer, and I'm still not dead. End of story. It is up to us in the gamer community to band together against the Loud Minority in our community and say "You! Yes, you! You don't represent us!" I think every group that has fringe elements within it should do that.
 

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tzimize said:
I'm a gamer. To me a gamer is someone who plays games, and who plays games and is a BIT more interested in the medium than playing farmville once a month.

I dont think the term is dead, but I dont think the term is very meaningful either. Its about as meaningful as "swimmer". Whats a swimmer all about? Living in pools and only drinking water and wearing trunks all the time?

One has to divide a person from a term. You cant sum up a person with one word. Its even hard to sum up a culture with one word. When I say gamer I guess a lot of people think about raging xbox kiddies or frothing cod players. They exist, but thats barely a subculture. In fact its even just a small part of a subculture. Gamers are just people. As diverse in any direction as any people with a particular hobby.
I think it is as useful as any other term to describe someone who has a large interest in a given hobby. To me gamer is to people interested in games as gun nut is to people interested in guns, as gearhead is to someone interested in cars, as otaku is to anime fan, etc.

Just a term used to show someone has a larger than average interest in video games of one type or another.
 

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Eh, I prefer the second definition. "Gamers are those that game".

I don't really think any other qualifier is needed other than the person themselves choosing to identify as a gamer.
You play games/a game? You want to call yourself a gamer? If yes to both, then you're a gamer.

For next episode, how about you all argue what a game "IS"! ;D
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*video ends* Seriously, what the fuck was that thing? I'm still freaking out about that.

Sleep tight...... xD
 

Thanatos2k

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"Someone who is passionate about games" is the correct definition of gamer, not "Someone who plays or has played a game at some point."
 

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Of course gamers aren't dead, even many of the people who made those articles knew this and are aware they were just being reactionary to criticism (or joining in view bait).

If journalists actually believed gamers were dead, they'd all be finding other jobs right now because it's pretty hard to write stories about a specific topic if everyone who likes that topic is dead/gone. :) Considering the gaming industry is bigger then the movie industry now, no one can really have this discussion with a straight face. Objective facts are hard to dismiss.

Gamers are a larger group then ever before, and they are probably the most diverse group of people the planet now since games span every country on earth and appeal to every age and gender. Given the recent drama, I am going to go out on a limb here and assume some people aren't aware of this, or simply don't want to be aware of this.
 

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The best comparison I ever came up with was the one with a metalhead.

You are a metalhead as soon as you start dressing like one and are listening to metal. That means: Wow, you found a black T-shirt. Maybe let your hair grow a little.
Nobody cares who or what you are. As long as you don't fling shit around, nobody will care.

That's the same with gamers. Nobody cares who or what you are. If you are passionate about games, you are a gamer. And if you fling shit around ... well, then things get ugly. Sorry.
 

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"Nerd Militant" is my new favorite title. Thank you for bringing it to my attention.

*rubs eyes* Jeebus please-us, I thought I'd never see the day when I'd say this but man I wish gamers had half the social grace of goths and punks when it comes to the phrase, "[our subculture] is dead." The former saw the humor in it and laughed it off, and the latter didn't care. Both subcultures are fine (for varying values of fine). As is ours.

Everywhere I see gamers pissing and moaning. Because I self-identify as a gamer, so here's my two cents : it's not the media that I see abusing the term, it's the trolls who appropriate it that get to me. The gamers I know don't need defending. The behavior of trolls doesn't warrant defending. But for reasons which are opaque to me I keep seeing gamers defend trolls.

For me, that is the line on which 'gamer' as a word and something with which I identify. When my hobby gets linked with /4chan and not Child's Play, I don't want to be know for it.

The wailing that games might start self-censoring because the target audience widens is scarcely less off-putting. All my life I've been trying to get people to play games because I've wanted to spread the happiness they've given me. But I know not everyone's got the same taste so yeah, as more folks come to the market designers are going to shift what they're making. Some of that won't be to my taste. Fine. There will still be something for everyone.

The popularization of vampires lead to Meyers writing Twilight for the masses, but Lindqvist wrote Let the Right One In. I don't care about (or for) the former, but I'm glad the genre got big enough to give me a chance to read the latter.
 

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Thanatos2k said:
"Someone who is passionate about games" is the correct definition of gamer, not "Someone who plays or has played a game at some point."
My definition always was "anyone who identifies themselves as a gamer, is a gamer." If playing games and the surrounding culture is something that is so significant in your life that it forms a part of who you are rather than, well, something to do while you're on the toilet with your tablet or whatever, then you are a gamer. So, only qualification: call yourself that.

I have personally never identified as such, even though gaming has occupied most of my free time for 24 years now. Mostly due to the social stigma, I suppose.
 

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The broad definition is best. It needs to be more specific because there are already well established definitions that the context changes the meaning of the sentence.

The the phrase
Lets do some gaming.

Does it mean lets go gambling? If I'm in Los Vegas it very well might.
Is someone who is passionate about gaming passionate about Gambling, or are they passionate about Computer Games?

Does it mean lets pull out the table and get out our character sheets?
Can someone be a Gamer who is passionate about table top RPG's, but isn't passionate about computer game?

All the definitions are technically correct, but context is the only thing that specifies what the word really means. Unfortunately we need to get a handle on the debate because the word Gamer is becoming slang. If you can't easily tell what meaning a word might have it is ether slang, or becoming slang.
 

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Hm. The flow of this thread seems to be to sweep this under the carpet - even me, by blaming trolls. While most of the gamers I know are good people, I would say the preconception of the gaming community as not being welcoming is valid. The environment in most multiplayer games is pretty toxic.
 

SacremPyrobolum

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This hobby represents the largest entertainment industry that ever was. We aren't going anywhere, despite the wishes of some.
 

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Elijah Newton said:
Hm. The flow of this thread seems to be to sweep this under the carpet - even me, by blaming trolls. While most of the gamers I know are good people, I would say the preconception of the gaming community as not being welcoming is valid. The environment in most multiplayer games is pretty toxic.
That probably has more to do with human nature and less to deal with 'being a gamer'. We like winning and we hate losing.
 

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Yeah, I have no idea where that stereotype came from. When I was a kid my friends played games, we all got excited for when Super Mario Bros. 3 was coming out. (yes I'm dating myself). I remember reading those Nintendo comics that were published for a while. I didn't even know that stereotype existed until, well the internet came along.
 

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I think the term is delutting at the same rate as "harcore" and "casual" and it goes hand in hand with those other terms.

To me, "Gamer" is "he/she who plays games" and that's it, just like "casual" or "hardcore", can depend on how many games and how much time you spend playing said games, just like you won't name a movie enthusiast a "cinephile" just because he/she enjoys to see a film every now and then.