No Right Answer: Best Disney Villain Ever

[MissP]

Frollo's the only Disney villain that I find genuinely scary, as in his evilness is actually
disturbing, so he'd have to get my vote as well.

Scar is still a personal favorite, though. He sorta just became a lazy SoB after he accomplished
his goal, but he's just got so much charisma. Shere Khan from The Jungle Book is another cool baddie
with a similar swagger.

 

[Caffeine_Bombed]

Why is this show allowed to go on?

You two are idiots, dismissing the best for crap villains.

DeVille didn't shoo puppies, she had them skinned.

And Madame Medusa kidnapped children. She was going to feed Penny to her pet crocodiles.

Probably because a lot of people can enjoy this series without taking it too seriously.
You realise you're calling two men idiots over a freaking Disney villain argument, right?

 

[Aptspire]

Purely songwise, Scar wins this 1 vs 1 (Otherwise, Frollo would)

 

[Caffeine_Bombed]

I gotta throw in with Frollo. I mean seriously...you do not get more evil or more scary. And far more then other villians, he seems to believe that he is the good guy which makes him that much more terrifying. Also, in a movie thats generally overlooked and lackluster, he has the BEST villian song in disneydom.

Along with a couple of others, Frollo could have at least got an honourable mention.
The guy definately had the most badass villain songs in my opinion!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyS3weMlxLA

 

[Fluffythepoo]

brought down jedi order and established a totalitarian state across an entire galaxy through pure evilness

 

[Mikejames]

Along with a couple of others, Frollo could have at least got an honourable mention.
The guy definately had the most badass villain songs in my opinion!

Driven by lust and madness to kill innocents, characterizing the past corruptions of religious figureheads?
Disney had some guts writing a villain like Frollo back then.

 

[Ashannon Blackthorn]

I think Jafar might have to be disqualified on account of having no real villain song. Those are usually the best parts of their movies and a defining characteristic of many great Disney villains.

I respectfully disagree
Start at 0:35

That's a short refrain of an earlier, non-Jafar, song and not a full piece, unique to the villain, ala "Poor, Unfortunate Souls" or "Be Prepared." So I respectfully disagree your respectful disagreement.

Respectfully reminding you Jafar did have a villian song, it simply did not make the movie. Google "Why Me + Jafar"

Didn't make the movie, but it was a full song, by the villian, sung by the villian for the villian.

 

[TheDoctor455]

No, the leader of the Huns in Mulan is the best villain. Hell, all of the huns in there are awesome.

Why?

Remember that scene where his pet hawk returns with a doll from a mountain village? I.E. the one that the chinese army is guarding to prevent the huns from making a straight run through to the emperor?

Yeah, the huns figure that out... just by examining details on this doll.

They are the best disney villains because they are the only ones with more than two brain cells to rub together. Every other villain from Hook to Maleficent to Scar and Jafar are complete idiots. Oh sure, Jafar managed to fool the Sultan for all those years, but that's only because, as the film establishes, the Sultan is a complete moron. Not exactly an impressive feat to trick a moron, is it? As for Scar, yes, he was a bit smarter than Jafar, but no one in the film is bright enough to immediately suspect him of villainy until Simba comes back and exposes him (or rather, threatens to slit his throat if he doesn't talk), and even Simba didn't suspect his Uncle until Scar decided to be an arrogant douche and TELL HIM a few seconds before Simba manages to turn it around on him. Which, again, makes everyone Scar tricked look like an idiot, when it is perfectly obvious to the audience THE ENTIRE TIME, that Scar is the villain. (and that's clear in the first five minutes of the film)


Now, the huns on the other hand, they not only figure out where the bulk of the Chinese army is based on that doll, but they then proceed to storm right into the village the army is guarding, and wipe the floor with them. Which clearly establishes them as a credible threat that is impressive to see Mulan and her allies take down.

 

[Dfskelleton]

Frollo from Hunchback. Attempted rape of Esmerelda, attempted burning of Esmerelda, genocide, burning of Paris.....yeah, this guy beats Scar's ass.

On the otherhand, you guys forgot to mention that because Scar was king, ALL the females had to....submit.... to him, including Simba's mom and Nala. There was a lot of implied raping going on.

Agreed. He also is one of the very few Disney villains that doesn't see himself as evil but rather as a force for good. That and he does have the best villain song ever.

Yeah, I'm throwing in another vote for Frollo. Not only is that song freaking awesome, but it's truly amazing how much Disney got away with when translating that particular character into a movie that's supposed to be kid-friendly. While they did make him a little more despicable than he was in Hugo's novel, it's amazing how well they were able to portray the "religious convictions vs. earthly lusts" conflict without explicitly saying it. It's one of those things that you may not catch as a kid, but when you're older you think "Wow... that's actually pretty messed up." Oh, and let's not forget his death scene. It's the traditional Disney villain death (falling from a high place) with a twist; you basically see him falling straight into Hell. Yes, Hell.

Also, Tony Jay. Just... Tony Jay.

 

[RTR]

I don't think that Jafar is the best Disney villain. But he's definitely the sleaziest. The first thing he does after taking over is put Jasmine in a bikini.
Also, this episode makes me want to have a discussion for Best Disney Sidekick, definitely a trickier subject.

 

[Chris Pranger]

Funny story to all you Frollo supporters...

When we were originally discussing the choices for this episode, I was firmly in the Frollo Is Best Villain camp, but after a few moments decided (quite wrongly I should add), that too many people would be angry that Scar wasn't mentioned, and thus, I went with my second choice. It turns out that the opposite is true, though I'd assume a handful of people would have been angry about Scar's absence as well.

Basically, take heart Frollovians. I am on your side...just not enough to side with the ultimate evil.

But man, could you imagine if Disney made a movie where Frollo tries to kill a bunch of Disney characters and rides Scar around the battlefield? I'd watch that.

 

[Seracen]

I find Maleficent to be the scariest...like a biblical "thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" level of evil. She gave me nightmares as a child (and *gasp* it didn't damage my psyche as a kid).

The implied rape from Scar is tons worse than Jafar, though not something a kid would ever understand. Quite frankly, the allegories always take liberties with logistics, I mean, nobody ever minded that Nala was Simba's half-sister.

Shan Yu in Mulan was the leader of the Mongol horde, the epitome of mean badass mofo. He was a caricature, sure, but so was Jafar. I see this has been argued already, so let's put these two aside.

Still, if we are going with pure malice and opportunity for devastation, the only one who can hold a candle to Frollo (who is my pick for best villain), is Rourke (James Garner's character) from Atlantis.

Just as much genocide and murder going on there, though not as evil/slimy as Frollo. Frollo is worse b/c rape and racism, whereas Rourke's evil is a cold, calculated, almost corporate evil.

If by "best" we mean most charismatic, gotta go with Hades, and Keith David's Facilier a close second.

 

[Seracen]

....
But man, could you imagine if Disney made a movie where Frollo tries to kill a bunch of Disney characters and rides Scar around the battlefield? I'd watch that.

This is so much win! You are my hero sir!!!

 

[Barciad]

Shere Khan is without equal. Scar (as best as Jeremy Irons might try) just comes across as a cheap knock-off.
Shere Khan (voiced by George Sanders) possesses that delightful mixture of charm and malice that few can match. Its like Hans Gruber via Eton and the Oxford, followed by a extended period in the diplomatic corp.

 

[Souplex]

Scar wants to include the oppressed minority hyenas, that makes him racially tolerant, that negates whatever Hitler points he got from having hyenas goose-step.
The Shadowman is by far the best.

 

[Pickapok]

I just noticed that there is no better villain than a Disney Villain. What other villains (outside Disney) deserve to be among these fine specimens of pure evil?

Sympathetic villains, of course.

Nox and Quilby from Wakfu
Mr. Freeze as re-imagined by Batman: The Animated Series
Johann Liebert from Monster
etc.

Also, Doctor Doom. Just... Doom.

 

[Mayamellissa]

Frollo was by far the worst Disney villain to date. Second is Ratigan from TGMD (I say the acronym of the title). And Maleficent wasn't bad because she couldn't come to a wedding: she was the mistress of all evil and it was a BABY SHOWER she wasn't invited to. You guys REALLY freaking messed up on this list. I think you truly half-assed this one. By the way I'll let you slide on Mulan even though the "Huns" leader mass murdered and other unspoken badness in the film.

 

[McFazzer]

Ratigan (Vincent Price... also Goodbye so Soon) and Doctor Facillier (Friends on the other side)

 

[Muspelheim]

I'll nominate Radcliffe, the closest Pochahontas had to a villain. At least as I remember him from when I was a kid.

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I do love that song. It terrified me as a kid. Pretty much my themesong when I play grand strategy games now, though.

What I love about Radcliffe is that he isn't ridiculously evil, or very evil at all, really. He's ruthless and greedy, and that is why he acts like he does, not because he is an evil being. He's just an exploitative dick, and I rather like villains like that.

It's rather frightening to see how Radcliffe uses the men's wish to save their mate to his own ends by whipping up hatred towards the "others". That is how real evil works and is perpetrated.

(Of course, my opinion on Radcliffe had been much worse if they hadn't gotten that fantastic voice actor. The rest of the Swedish dubbing in that film is horrid, but at least they got Mr. Pimp up there right)

 

[lostlevel]

I've not watched much classic Disney since I was a kid, but I vaguely remember Jafar being menacing about as magic brooms, so it's got to be Scar.