No Right Answer: George Lucas vs George Lucas

[The_root_of_all_evil]

So. . . wait. George Lucas went from "Protector of all that is sacred and holy about film! Defender of original, unedited copies! Righteous warrior to fight worthless edits made solely to make money!" to "Crazy man, after re-editing film trilogy hundreds of times, wishes for every last copy of his movies to burn when he dies."?

That's why everyone gets so annoyed. The Master has turned against the Student to take up the Dark Side.

A big example is the planet of Coruscant. It was originally created in 1991 by auther Timothy Zahn for the Thrawn Trilogy of novels in the Expanded Universe.

And it also fails science in the same way as Twiglet does. Coruscant is a planet wide city - which leaves no room for food production/sewage etc.

The only copies of the original you can find (and they are hard to find) are the VHS tapes that were shown in the video.

Used to be...

http://www.starwarsuncut.com/

Ooops...nope...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Phantom_Edit

http://swrevisited.wordpress.com/about-revisited/

But they're all classed as "pirates".

 

[shrekfan246]

That's why everyone gets so annoyed. The Master has turned against the Student to take up the Dark Side.

I never realized just quite how far he had fallen. I mean, I knew he was pretty much crazy nowadays, but I never realized that he used to be an entirely sane, reasonable movie maker. I guess that's what happens when you grow up in the 90's. Thank you for enlightening me.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

Thank you for enlightening me.

My day is complete

Only a couple of million to go.

 

[GeorgW]

I think Kyle should have gotten more points for his final argument.
Alright, I guess it's my turn. I like the original versions of the original trilogy, I think that the prequels would have been considered crap regardless of how they stood on their own given what came before them, and that they're okay. Nothing more, nothing less.
As for Lucas... He's made a lot of mistakes and a lot of great things and should just walk away from the movies. There comes a time when you just have to give in to the fanboys. It's extremely rare, but this might be one of those cases.

 

[sir.rutthed]

Nobody hates Star Wars more than George Lucas.

OT: Here's my thing. I don't give half a damn how many shitty new editions he comes out with that keep adding horrible shit to fantastic movies. My problem comes from there not being any more releases of the original versions. I honestly don't understand why we can't have both, they'd both sell like crazy. I think putting out the original versions on DVD would go a long way towards appeasing we the fans.

 

[JaceArveduin]

Nice... I actually have that box set of VHS it showed for half a second XD The box bit isn't in the best of shape, but I got it at a goodwill for five bucks.

 

[ManupBatman]

What Lucas is doing is like a author releasing a new version of the same book every few years. Noooooooooooo. You can't do that. Once it's out it's out. It's done. End of discussion. It's art, and you can't modify art once it is done. I mean sure leeeeeeegally you can, but sure as hell doesn't mean you should.

Then it stops being art and starts being just a way to squeeze money out of...... oh I see what your getting at Lucas.

 

[artanis_neravar]

If Vincent Van Gogh Came back from the dead and started adding to his paintings, would we be saying that its his right to do so? Of course not...

BUT, we would allow him to make another, slightly different one, and that is what George Lucas is doing with Star Wars. Yes there are people who will claim that the originals are better, but that doesnt matter at all because they are both there and available if you want to see them, people new to Star Wars will be able to compare them and make up there own minds.

We wouldn't allow him only because he no longer owns the originals, but other then that good comparison.

 

[leviadragon99]

Ehhh... personally I think taking away intellectual property from it's creator (somehow) would set a dangerous precedent, inmates running the asylum isn't always going to work out happily.

 

[Trishbot]

George Lucas loves to build a world like Star Wars, but like the man-child he is, he loves destroying it far more than he ever did building it.

 

[theultimateend]

If Vincent Van Gogh Came back from the dead and started adding to his paintings, would we be saying that its his right to do so? Of course not...

BUT, we would allow him to make another, slightly different one, and that is what George Lucas is doing with Star Wars. Yes there are people who will claim that the originals are better, but that doesnt matter at all because they are both there and available if you want to see them, people new to Star Wars will be able to compare them and make up there own minds.

The point of like a third of the video was that most originals are dead or dying and he's only releasing the new versions.

Is that true? I have no idea, don't really care, just wanted to note that they discussed this part >_>.

they are both there and available if you want to see them, people new to Star Wars will be able to compare them and make up there own minds.

But the originals are no longer in print, and George has refused to donate a copy of the them to the National Film Registry, which he helped create. Lucas has stated that he would like the original versions to disappear, and that once the existing VHS and Laserdisc releases deteriorate he hopes no one will even remember the originals existed, except as "rough drafts" of the Special Editions. I think this is robbing the world of it's cultural history.

I'd chuckle if a crazed fan broke into his house and stole the originals . I could see it happening, assuming he hasn't burned them already.

 

[BrotherRool]

Lucas owns it. He created the idea and without him their wouldn't be an idea, we can't snatch his stuff off him no matter how much he destroys it, we can just stop paying him to do so or even be content with the world an universe that we love has been created by his incessant desire to make money out of his idea. Without his pressure and marketing and advertising all the spin-offs books and games might not have been created in the first place and Star Wars would just be some successful film that people remember as a great film but don't do a whole lot about

 

[chstens]

Fun fact, George Lucas in the 80's would comdemn modern George Lucas. He held a speech saying that people shouldn't do what he's done to the Star Wars franchise.

 

[Blindswordmaster]

I've got the six year old dvd box set of Star Wars and a 4 disc set of Indiana Jones, the forth disc is bonus features and nothing more, So I don't give a fuck.

 

[Kapol]

First off, I didn't realize that the show was called NRA. Now I'll think of the National Rifle Association every time I think about it.

Secondly, guess who couldn't care less about Star Wars? This guy! Haven't seen them, and will never see them. Why? Because being able to piss any geek off simply by telling them that I have not seen any of the movies in the series is worth SO MUCH MORE then the movies could ever give me. I've had people tell me they would kill me if I didn't watch them, and some say they were going to kidnap me and force me to watch them.

But, from a legal standpoint, George Lucas is the owner of the Star Wars property. He can do whatever he wants to them. That doesn't mean he SHOULD, and I think that they should also print the 'classic' versions on DVD and blu-ray and such. But that doesn't mean he doesn't have the right to do what he wants to the series.

 

[Signa]

All arguments would be rendered invalid if George would just release a DVD or BluRay version of the original versions with remastering. But we won't ever get those, because Lucas is a jackass who hates his fans.

Seriously, that's all we want and all it will take.

 

[Imperioratorex Caprae]

I don't like to debate this, because it leads to my most hated point of Boba Fett's origin story being retconned. Lucas himself didn't even care about Fett until people latched onto his awesomeness, and by then a whole trilogy of books (condoned by Lucas himself) had written his backstory in an awesome way. Then he decides to rewrite it in Episode 2... fucking a.

 

[drkchmst]

Once an artist releases a painting to the world s/he can no longer touch it. The frame it is in can change the lighting its presented under can change the wall on which it is hung can change, but the painting itself can not. If Lucas did not want to piss off people like me he would have released the original theatrical cuts on the same bluray discs. (take notes LOTR your pretty pissing me off too). I think its some sick thing that Lucas needs to live up to the commercial for the last VHS set of the original trilogy that says it will be the last time you will be able to purchase the original theatrical versions.