No Right Answer: George Lucas vs George Lucas

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Korolev

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It's as some have said: George Lucas might legally own Star Wars, but the first three films are NOT entirely his creation. He fought with many people over how the first one was created, and he didn't even direct the second or the third one (and he had others helping him with the script). He undoubtedly deserves a lot of credit for the first three films, but he did not make them on his own, and indeed, there is some speculation that had he been allowed full run of the ship, the original three films might have turned out quite a bit worse. Starkiller, anyone? The original trilogy was created by quite a few people, often with different ideas, arguing and compromising and finding novel solutions along the way. It was an organic process. The new films however, are entirely made by George Lucas, with no one challenging him or even offering up a better idea once in a while. Adversity breeds innovation, but with George and his limitless budget, cowering staff, and legions of computers allowing him to do whatever he wanted, when he wanted, created the mess known as the prequels. He should have been a PRODUCER on the prequels and given the directing/casting calls to someone else.
 

zelda2fanboy

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I can't watch this video for some reason. It just spins the loading symbol indefinitely. I've tried different browsers, but no luck. The other videos on the site seem to work fine.
 

PhunkyPhazon

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zelda2fanboy said:
I can't watch this video for some reason. It just spins the loading symbol indefinitely. I've tried different browsers, but no luck. The other videos on the site seem to work fine.
Same here. Glad to know it's not just me.

EDIT: Wait, it finally played. It just takes a few minutes for some reason.
 

Therumancer

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This gets into arguements about the nature of art, and at what point a creator should lose the rights to his own creation, if ever.

For the most part this has been straightforward, an artist creates a physical object like a statue, he loses the right to modify that statue once he sells it. He can't for example walk into the town square and decide as the original creator to add thirteen penises to the exterior when he no longer owns it.

Even when it's come to intellectual properties, the rights of an original creator to control their work have been very limited. A playwright might create and sell a play, but up until recently he couldn't really enter a theater and influance how someone else was going to perform the work, and say demand a given director do things due to changes he decides afterwards he wants to make, or to demand that everything about a play follow very specific requirements. Things like this had been tried for hundreds of years, and have generally failed until fairly recently.

In the case of an ongoing intellectual property like Star Wars it has come into being at a time where we have a lot of communications technology and an established enough legal system for the original creator to demand, and enforce, management rights over the idea, including forcing retroactive changes, comissioning creators to produce canon work, and then later cutting those creators out of the canon, and so on.

As a work Star Wars has gotten big enough, and influances enough people who are invested in it (either materially, or simply emotionally) that I think it needs to be handled with kid gloves, especially seeing as it could form a lasting monument that could endure as long as any statue or painting...

In looking at George Lucas' antics I mostly look towards how he has sold the rights to make official sequels multiple times, and then proceeded to invoke his rights as creator to invalidate those works retroactively, creating tons of havoc within the work itself, and quite possibly inflicting material damage through merchandise and to the professional credability of creators, as the value of non-canon material oftentimes depreciates (and being kicked from the canon can reflect negatively on a creator).

I would point towards how George Lucas once sold the rights to create a sequel in the form of a series of young adult novels. "Prophets Of The Dark Side", "The Glove Of Darth Vader", and other books were part of this series. These books were then declared non-canon through the writings of guys like Timothy Zahn. This is to say nothing of numerous other people working in the so-called "Expanded Universe" who had their own works effectively castrated
by George Lucas' own work on the Star Wars prequels.

Truthfully, it's hard to say what should be done with Star Wars, as I think it's a fairly unique phenomena, however I think it's too much to remain in the hands of one man. George Lucas might have been the creator, but left to his devices I think we're liable to see Star Wars destroyed (it's already happening) rather than becoming the enduring momument it has the potential to be.

Really, I think there is no analogy for this situation, I think something unique should probably be done with Star Wars, and that should form the foundation for similar situations that might arise in the future.

I'm tired, and I get a bit crazy when I'm fatigued, but I'm thinking maybe something along the lines of the United States Goverment becoming the official owner and manager of certain properties like this, giving a percentage of generated profits to the original creators (as the original creators) until their death, establishing canon, and carefully operating to maintain it and expand the work. The profits to be made from the IP covering the expense of managing it, with the excess going into the national debt or whatever.

Truthfully goverment appointed committees don't strike me as being good for anything, but when I consider that a step up from George Lucas managing this, that should say something.

In the end there is a point where a work grows beyond a single man, sometimes within his lifetime. Left to his devices George Lucas is liable to make this into a bigger and bigger mess.
 

Vortigar

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FARSCAPE!!!

"Can I get a hell yeah?"

"There's life out here dad. All kinds of amazing, alien, psychotic life. And its in Technicolor."
Nicolaus99 said:
--snipsies--
A Shining Force avatar?!

Can I get another hell yeah?


As for this whole discussion on SW. George Lucas had a great idea back in the seventies and pulled together a brilliant crew of people to make it come to life. He's good as a producer and creative engine but he's no writer or director, not of SW movies anyway. He's proven it definitively with the prequels.

Episode 2 is a mess, there's a load of good scenes that show Padme and Anakin interacting affectionately in the extended cut that should've been in the theatrical version instead of the mewling overwrought declarations of love he favoured over them.

If he's ever going to make an episode 7 and beyond I hope he gets other writers and directors to handle those parts of the enterprise like he did with the original trilogy.

Does that mean he owns it or not? That's a discussion on semantics that really doesn't matter.