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Urameshi13

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Reason #1 that Sci-Fi changed to...what it changed to was this: poor literacy can be copyrighted.

Also, anyone who thinks Jersey Shore is representative of the people of the Garden State should be shot at dawn. In the genitals.
 

medv4380

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Darth_Payn said:
medv4380 said:
Glad MTV won. Not only is it Disappointing, it is also a contagion. I blame it for the fall of the History Channel and The Learning Channel.
I agree that the History Channel's losing its way, what with Ancient Aliens, and Pawn Stars (which has some historical discussion, but that's stretching it), and the blue-collar working shows, but mind explaining how that's related to MTV's nosedive into suck?
The reality show contagion started with them with the Real World. From there things like Pawn Stars and Kate plus 8, and all the other toxic reality television started on MTV and just spread.
 

yatterman1

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honestly i gotten to the point of i only watch shows on internet like kamen rider or super sentai or some other tokusatsu that is randomly out there. heck i even been re-watching some old anime from the 80s and 90s just to past time. but yes as a person that grew up with MTV and these other channels that have just turn to fail because network still think if one channel is doing it lets do it too attitude still works, which is why we have so many stupid pawn shows or other stupid reality shows like those retarded repo shows "don't get me started on those stupid things reality my butt" i feel they all have gone down the hole to the point of no return.
 

Winthrop

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Syfy has its faults (original movies and ghost shows) but it still has some science fiction what with Eureka (ended on Monday but still), Warehouse 13, Lost Girl (I guess its more fantasy really), Haven, Sanctuary, and Alphas. Not all of it is great, but I'll be damned if I don't love Eureka and Warehouse 13. Alphas is pretty good too.
 

Ledan

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Whatever happened to mtv, discovery, and history channel?
They used to be so awesome, i used to LEARN things from history channel and discovery. Godamit! Why can't we have nice things anymore?!

(awesome captcha: what is this word backwards: rorrim)
 

Vigormortis

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As awful as SyFy has become, it still brings me Eureka and Warehouse 13. If only for that it tops MTV. At least in my eyes.

As for just about everything else....well, I don't need to explain myself, do I?

I would add that History is quickly becoming the most disappointing channel, what with it's disgusting obsession with "dangerous" jobs, rednecks, monsters/ghosts/aliens, and eccentric item sales.

Discovery is starting to do the same too, sadly. I almost had my "last straw" when they advertised their new special "Mermaid: The Body Found".

I mean...really Discovery? Really?!
 

Attercap

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I will say, though, that SyFy lost a LOT of points with me when they gave up MST3K over to Comedy Central. That was just the worst move they could have possibly pulled off.
Unless I'm misunderstanding you, that's backwards. MST3K was on KTMA for a year, then moved to Comedy Central for 6 seasons before moving to SciFi. SciFi wanted the show to run arc plots during the host segment, but dropped the ball by showing episodes out of order.

Personally, I think SyFy's been the greater disappointment because it started off as little more than a re-run station and grew into something truly wonderful, funding and making its own shows and helping to renew shows that were being cancelled by other stations. Little by little, they've moved away from the premise of showing good science fiction and fantasy. ...And, really, the wound is a little fresher with SyFy. I don't think I've seen anything good on MTV since they stopped airing Sifl & Olly, so I'm pretty over that station.
 

A Satanic Panda

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Attercap said:
RJ 17 said:
I will say, though, that SyFy lost a LOT of points with me when they gave up MST3K over to Comedy Central. That was just the worst move they could have possibly pulled off.
Unless I'm misunderstanding you, that's backwards. MST3K was on KTMA for a year, then moved to Comedy Central for 6 seasons before moving to SciFi. SciFi wanted the show to run arc plots during the host segment, but dropped the ball by showing episodes out of order.
Yup. Sci-fi was MST3ks final resting place. I remember that day all to well. With that riff of horribly cheese 60s Italian movie. Couldn't have been a better movie to save for last.

And THAT is why Sci-fi was the most disappointing.
 

Firefilm

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Father Time said:
Firefilm said:
Father Time said:
I was going to do a topic like this for your contest. Unfortunately I didn't have the time. So where'd you get the idea for it?
Someone suggested something similar, I think it was like, "tv channel that has stooped the lowest for ratings." we took that idea, and boiled it down to what we ended up going with.
That was me.
Well then I guess you are awesome and your ideas are awesome. Deal with that, I dare you.
 

Nghtgnt

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Urameshi13 said:
Reason #1 that Sci-Fi changed to...what it changed to was this: poor literacy can be copyrighted.
I'm kind of surprised it took 3 pages for someone to mention this. The reason Sci-Fi changed its name is because of trademark/copyright (I always confuse the two) considerations. "Sci-Fi" as a brand would have been impossible for them to protect in court.

As others mentioned, SyFy may have some sucky programming, but at least they're still trying with shows like Warehouse 13 and Alphas (though I've never seen either), and their B-movies (if you include fantasy and horror into a "sci-fi" umbrella).

Another thing to consider is that it seems younger demographics have more disposable income then they did in the past, so you see a dumbing down of content as well. A really good example of this is Nickelodeon. Will we ever again see shows like "Rocco's Modern Life", "Ren and Stimpy", "The Adventures of Pete & Pete", or even "Invader Zim"? You have to go to Cartoon Network's Adult Swim for that kind of stuff now. Of course, maybe I'm just a bitter old guy.

You damn kids, stay off my lawn!
 

clawmachinelegend

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Remember when TLC stood for The Learning Channel now it is just shows about parents exploiting their children in pageants and dance competition and a bunch of shows that show how funny and weird people are in the southern states
 

Living Contradiction

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Okay, I'm probably going to light a fire with this but I have to say it.

MTV is doing what is has been doing since it started up all those years ago: Mocking popular culture. It takes that which is popular and runs it through a meat grinder, lampooning it so perfectly that we apparently can't tell that what we're watching is a parody anymore.

Think about it. Go back to the good old days of MTV and think about how it mercilessly attacked popular culture with its programming. When I think of MTV, my mind goes animated and Aeon Flux, Ren & Stimpy, and Beavis & Butthead come up. Satire of dystopia, satire of cartoons, satire of MTV. Yes folks, MTV didn't even take itself seriously.

MTV evolved as television has changed. The Real World (a show so fake, they had to give the title an antonym) came along to mock the reality show and with it came Flavor of Love (how do you mock reality-based dating? With Flavor Flav, of course), Jackass (because Candid Camera and its many incarnations needed to be shown where they'd wind up), and the program everyone loves to hate, Jersey Shore.

Look closely, everybody. You're being mocked. You're being shown parodies and exaggerations of people that are so incredibly bad that you can't help wincing and thinking, "This has to be real. There's no way someone would act that stupidly for pay."

They do. They are. And people lap it up because it makes them feel better about themselves. "My inlaws may be crazy, but they're not bat-shit insane like the folks on that show." "Okay, my girlfriend is demanding but she isn't Snooki." "Sure, my brother's an asshole but he ain't no Situation."

It's a script. It's a character. This is not reality; This is people taking the piss and being paid handsomely to do it. MTV has always done this. They did it with their first video, "Video Killed The Radio Star", and they've been doing it ever since. They're at the top of their game, continuing to cut down culture with big broad swipes, and are doing such a good job that other stations ape them in the hopes of earning the money and respect they have. Of course, it doesn't work because MTV doesn't take itself seriously and has the presence of mind to write a script for its shows.

The rest of television has no such excuse. One by one, channels have fallen prey to reality-based programming because it's cheap to make and because people like watching other people acting stupidly on television. Why spend millions on a series that might flop in a week when you can spend a few thousand putting a camera in a convenience store with an angry man behind the counter who will cheerfully insult everyone unfortunate enough to step in the front door? Even if the show flops, you'll still make money just by getting the thing to air. And if you get a hit? Cue large piles of money walking up to your door to ask you how you did it and if they can invest in it or in the next one.

Syfy managed to hold out as best they could, but making movies, even TV movies, is expensive. So they knuckled under and brought in wrestling, a nice solid cash cow that they can milk for years to come, and thirty-one flavours of paranormal reality television(dear gods, an oxymoronic pun). In that, I think Syfy came off as the more disappointing but, really, there wasn't much of a contest.

Syfy sold out like the rest of television. MTV sold out because what they've been selling has always leapt off the shelves and that's Satire: hot, fresh and often still bleeding around the edges.
 

dagens24

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Dissapointing? Discovery. Listen, it's still 100x better than the MTVs of the world, but oh my how it has fallen. It went from a channel that promoted learning, curiosity, science, etc to cheap reality tv garbage. 'Up next on Discovery, Ice Road King Crab Whale Trucks: Alaska'. Tsk tsk.
 

personion

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I love this show, it's among my favorite on The Escapist, but you should try to switch up your format for an episode or two. You can do a lot of interesting stuff with this show, like an entire debate which is just spit takes or each debater has 2:30 to debate their point uninterrupted. Another good idea might be to switch out the water for something more interesting to keep things fresh. Try to stray a bit out of the routine once in a while.

As for the debate itself, I agree that MTV is much bigger than SyFy (wow, that IS a stupid name) and that it kind of permeates into other channels.
 

Souplex

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They changed their name to SyFy because you can't copyright sci-fi.