No Right Answer: Most Overrated Videogame

Recommended Videos

Snowblindblitz

New member
Apr 30, 2011
236
0
0
The_root_of_all_evil said:
Unsurprisingly, I disagree.

Goldeneye still has some really good things (The Pause music for a start)
FF7 still tells a story with some really tear-jerking moments.

You wanna know what's really over-rated?



This is the most exciting it gets. Dull, whiney, road movie of a game that seems to forget about stealing cars and turns it into Babysitter Missions ad nauseum.

It's a Birmingham New Street of a game, it's a Paris, Texas of a game, it's a Da Vinci Code of a game.

And it doesn't even have a good radio.
I agree completely. I found myself watching the in-game TV to avoid your cousin and other characters annoying me.

I am a huge FFVII fan though, not going to lie. My favorite thing about it was it had so much to do in it. Very few JRPGs bring that many different things to the table. Golden saucer, defending the reactor. Leveling material and raising chocobos. The ambiguity of Shinra. And the first game to creep me out in the Shinra building.

The problem with the Final Fantasy community is the same with CoD community (the people that like it): the community itself fights and bickers over the games, and then those outside the community jump on the bandwagon.
 

KefkaCultist

New member
Jun 8, 2010
2,120
0
0
I love Chris even more now for two new reasons:
1) That shirt. I must have.
2) Sharing my opinion that FF6 is the best.
 

Saltyk

Sane among the insane.
Sep 12, 2010
16,755
0
0
I love FF7, but it's not unfair to call it over-rated. Mainly because people seem to compare it to modern games. Ther are many ways and reasons that FF7 pales compared to modern games. That being said, at the time it was released it was completely worthy of respect. The game popularized RPGS. Brought them more mainstream. I love RPGs and without FF7 I might not. So, yes, FF7 holds a special place in my heart. But if people insist it is the best game of all time they are doing it no favors. Best RPG of its age or even best game of its age, you could argue, though.

So, you guys wanna do some more video game related episodes? Can I suggest Most Underrated Game for an episode? That could be a good follow up. I'd humbly suggest Suikoden II if not the Suikoden series. Also, Hardest Game of All Time. Okay, we already know it will be Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles on the Nintendo, so maybe that isn't fair.
 

Strife2GFAQs

New member
Apr 13, 2009
130
0
0
I would like to point out that FF7's Materia system got blasted for turning everyone into "the same people except Limit Breaks." FF6's Esper system had "the same people with different sub skills" got a free pass. The difference here is no one made a FUCKING MOVIE...and Kefka. Speaking of which, Advent Children sucks balls, even as fanservice products go. The game deserves praise for being the craziest, bloodiest, and most sexually perverse in the series. If Persona 3 and 4 got M ratings, VII sure fit that tone too. Compare VII to any shojo harem anime knockoff these days and VII beats them to death with stones.

I still find it strange Ocarina of Time didn't get put in this position. God knows those two games have been eternally linked in contest after contest since creation. I think the only reason Goldeneye was mentioned was so we avoid another "FFVII/OoT discussion."
 

Killspre

New member
Aug 8, 2011
115
0
0
WoW at least for me it felt very boring and kept me the least entertained out of all the mmos I have played. I was expecting more out of a franchise that has a such loyal fanbase I guess couldn't measure up to their build up.
 

Denamic

New member
Aug 19, 2009
3,804
0
0
Being partial for RPGs over FPSes, I have to say Goldeneye is the more overrated one.
Both are great games, but neither game holds up to today's standards, even if their graphics were up to date.
For their time though, they were fantastic.
JaceArveduin said:
Soon as I saw the title, I instantly thought FFVII, and I've never even played any of the FF games. So yeah, gonna have to side with Chris here.
What.
You've never played the game but still think it's the one that's more overrated.
Good job.
 

Therumancer

Citation Needed
Nov 28, 2007
9,909
0
0
Not a very well conducted debate to be honest, seemed almost like it was set up to blast Final Fantasy VII more than anything.

In the end the bottom line is both are aging games with substantial fan bases. Goldeneye should probably have "won" as being more overrated though given that it's had a remake which failed to sell, and has so far yet to carry any successful spin off property. Other games like "Perfect Dark" might have used a lot of the same code, but you didn't see an actual "Goldeneye Sidestory" or whatever being released successfully. On the other hand "Final Fantasy VII" has lead to literally decades of merchandise being moved, with other games... crap or not, being released to massive success not to mention multiple movies (like the anime movie versions of the Crisis Core story that never saw official US release... before you even get into Advent Children).

See, it's hard to say "Final Fantasy VII" wasn't all that, or hasn't stood up well, when you look at the juggernaut it turned into. Even if a remake was done, and it failed, it's impossible to say it hasn't carried more than Goldeneye ever did. Indeed Goldeneye is mostly notable as being one of the few movie tie-in games that didn't blow chips, it really innovated very little even if it did get attention due to it's liscence (as was mentioned), just about everything in Goldeneye had been done by someone beforehand.


Opinions vary, but I think this "debate" should have been conducted very differantly. I think part of the problem was Goldeneye was being treated as too much of a sacred cow by two FPS junkies. :)

That said, I was hoping for something a bit more recent and relevent, a Halo Vs. Mass Effect throw down (which someone mentioned dreading) would have been more entertaining.

When it comes to that paticular debate it's a hard one to call because your basically dealing with a shooter series that became a blockbuster by being the first mainstream FPS shooter that didn't blow chips on a console... and which was intentionally throwing out every sci-fi and shooter trope it could, and Mass Effect which was largely successful due to trying to imitate a series of RPGs the creator no longer had a single player liscence for, and which also proceeded to randomly toss out every science fiction trope they could. Halo being a retread of the space marine super-soldier, and Mass Effect being a science fiction shotgun trying to capture the magic of Star Wars without using any of it's IPs, and cribbing it's main bad guys/plotline from Fred Saberhagan's "Berserker" novels, hoping the audience would be too young to realize that and think yesterday's painful stereotype would come accross as being innovative (Saberhagan wrote a good number of Berserker novels and short stories, in the 1980s and early 1990s mentioning Berserkers among geeks playing tabletop sci-fi games like Traveller, was similar to mentioning Cthulhu in more fantasy oriented scenarios... more or less the quinteseential no-win scenario for all intents and purposes... even the development of the plot in Mass Effect bears some similarities to how the universe was eventually saved from The Berserkers... but I won't spoil plot details for those who might be interested in reading some truely classic stuff... which will also make you see Mass Effect from a somewhat differant perspective from then on if you had been lionizing it and the reapers as the most creative thing ever like many people hav... good series, especially when it was still an rPG as opposed to a cinematic shooter, but it is indeed highly overrated).
 

JaceArveduin

New member
Mar 14, 2011
1,952
0
0
Denamic said:
What.
You've never played the game but still think it's the one that's more overrated.
Good job.
Eyup, that's what happens when you end up with a handful of people who drool over the game. It can be good, yes, but it seems blown out of proportion to an extreme extent.
 

Aeonknight

New member
Apr 8, 2011
751
0
0
JaceArveduin said:
Denamic said:
What.
You've never played the game but still think it's the one that's more overrated.
Good job.
Eyup, that's what happens when you end up with a handful of people who drool over the game. It can be good, yes, but it seems blown out of proportion to an extreme extent.
mhmm. know what else happens? It completely invalidates your opinion.

Vault101 said:
the term "over-rated" just seems to be a phrase we can use to take a stab at popular things we dont like...

...so in the spirit of that I'll say Oblivion and Skyrim
This. This episode seemed more or less to give people an opportunity to play the role anti-fanboy. And look at how many people are eating it up. I am disappoint.
 

OZITOMAI

New member
Jul 8, 2009
216
0
0
we need a disscussion about it? its freaken CALL OF DUTY, they have this one talent when creating there games, its called copy and paste
 

LogicNProportion

New member
Mar 16, 2009
2,155
0
0
>Recolored enemies through FF7

...wat?

I think the wolves and fish-people did that...otherwise...errrr, no. <,<

As far as 'The first to do ________?' While other games may have spiky hair or big swords, FF7 made these things famous.

Also, each character DOES have different statistics and growth areas, much like Pokemon. Just because Ponyta and Growlithe can use the same moves, doesn't make them the same Pokemon, does it? Anybody with knowledge of the metagame will cockslap you if you suggest that they're the same.

Also, FF7 is a landmark title as its seen as the RPG that brought 3D to the genre.

This is why I have trouble watching this show, Chris is obnoxious and is awarded points for things he is wrong about. If he was in my nerdy group of friends he would be eaten alive. :U
 

veloper

New member
Jan 20, 2009
4,597
0
0
AxelxGabriel said:
veloper said:
FF7 is a good candidate for most overrated. Only fair Goldeneye lost.

It's not hard to find too many games with perfect scores, so you should nominate that 10/10 game that was worst of the bunch.
I'd pick Oblivion in the RPG category, but FF7 can still compete for terrible dialogue, stupid plot, bad gameplay and overrated graphics.
Care to explain your points or just come off as an uninformed troll?
Sure, if you like.

Dialogues in Oblivion is soulless and uninspired and repeated by the same handful of "voice-actors", with the same NPCs even switching between accents and tone.
FF7 dialogues sometimes broach serious subjects, but the manner in which this is done is childish and inane. I get the target audience is kids, but even teenagers are smarter than that.
For Oblivion and FF7 both the dialogue problem can summarized as this: real people don't talk like that, it's like the writers have no clue about human interaction.

Plots for both games the plot can be summed up as big bad wants to rule the world and you have to stop it. As if we haven't done that many times before.

Gameplay. Oblivion doesn't have good twitch combat like Dark Messiah, but neither does it involve tactics. That leaves the only interesting piece of play could have come from building and progressing your character, but NPC and mobs that scale 1:1 with your character level put an end to that. It destroys any sense of progress and the player can simply underlevel to defeat the whole game. The dumbed down skillssets compared to the previous installments don't help here either.
FF7 combat is TB, which could be fine in itself, but that means challenge can only come from tactical encounters. This is not the case. Player options are too limited because similar to make the game deep. Worse still is throwing basicly the same encounter at the player again and again. That's just a complete waste of time, because you alreay figured out how to beat them the first time. Given what a repetitive treadmill FF7 is that makes it a mindless chore.

Graphics. Bethesada do the worst animation in the AAA games industry still to this date. Oblivion is no exception, with it's wooden characters. Character models and heads terrible and primitive hardware at the time is no excuse: compare to the heads and models in Half-life2 released a couple years earlier. All Oblivion had was some pretty, if uninspired, rural scenery and lot's of bloom and that alone was enough to the fans love it.
FF7's in-game visuals are a horrible, spiky and jagged mess. The prettier, non-interactive, cutscenes on the disc were enough to make the fans love it, but what they should have done instead is rent a movie.
 

Fortesque

New member
Jan 16, 2009
601
0
0
Eh, I like FFVII. It was a good game.

I dont get why VI is so popular. It was fucking boring and had crap characters.

OT: I think Deus Ex or OoT are the most over-rated. Both are just awful
 

Sovereignty

New member
Jan 25, 2010
584
0
0
I hope they do underrated titles next.

Seriously, no one ever gives any love for Rune Viking Warlord, or Gladius.
 

Rheinmetall

New member
May 13, 2011
652
0
0
Not even the most fanatic FF 7 players, like myself, don't say that it is the best game of all times. Far from it. But it was a milestone in gaming. It put rpg on the map.
 

veloper

New member
Jan 20, 2009
4,597
0
0
Rheinmetall said:
Not even the most fanatic FF 7 players, like myself, don't say that it is the best game of all times. Far from it. But it was a milestone in gaming. It put rpg on the map.
Dungeons and Dragons already did that. Both on tabletop and on the screen.
 

Simonoly

New member
Oct 17, 2011
353
0
0
Vault101 said:
the term "over-rated" just seems to be a phrase we can use to take a stab at popular things we dont like...

...so in the spirit of that I'll say Oblivion and Skyrim
This. Exactly this. I avoid using the term as much as possible to avoid coming across as an arrogant turd sitting on a pedestal of gaming enlightenment. I'm really not a fan of either the Halo or Assassin's Creed games, but I can see why they are so popular and me saying they are overrated, is pretty meaningless. But yes, I too shall get into the spirit of things by saying that all GTA games are overrated and anyone who likes them is herp-to-the-derp stupid and only I can see them for what they really are: overrated.