No Right Answer: Most Uninteresting Game Genre
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YES! CLAVINBALL! I want to play that so much now! But, if a video game were to be made of that and stayed true to the spirit of CalvinBall, it would never be finished. Or a new game mode and stuff would have to be DLC released every other week.
"Realistic"- exactly what's wrong with most FPS's nowadays.Avaholic03 said:
I love me some All-stars Racing Transformed too, and I think on the whole I've had better experiences with racing games... I just... can't get into the sport game genre no matter where and whom I attempt with.SupahGamuh said:
But both are genre's I don't usually delve into, which is weird, you'd think being a WoW Raider I'd be all over the teamwork, perfecting of stats and parts aspect... but nada.
I guess seeing the people who usually play them... (No offense meant, but hooting, gorilla-like men who look like they had testosterone Wheaties for breakfast. And look ready to pummel someone if they lose. I'm just the tiniest bit... put off when that's all I've been exposed to and had only my PC to scratch my gaming itch while I let that carry on.)
To hell with that! How about a ESPN Football game where all the players are Marvel Heroes and Villains?MorganL4 said:
Kyle immediately lost this argument to me. I love racing games because there's variation in in with games like Mario Kart, Sonic All-Stars, F-Zero, Burnout, Blur, etc where they can deviate from reality to make a genuinely fun, fast-paced game where explosions and cool visual effects happen...
Sports... very grounded in reality and changing them from that would alienate their core fanbase, which prevents new fans (like myself) from ever giving a shit. Ergo, (to me specifically) sports games are worse than racing by a wide margin.
Sports... very grounded in reality and changing them from that would alienate their core fanbase, which prevents new fans (like myself) from ever giving a shit. Ergo, (to me specifically) sports games are worse than racing by a wide margin.
Yeah, I miss those sports games that weren't about realism and simulation. Loved those soccer games where you could beat others up to get the ball and have unstoppable shots that set the ball on fire. Kinda like Kickers, the anime series. They don't do that stuff anymore. 
I honestly don't understand how NASCAR became as big a thing in America as it is. I just don't get it. There was an episode of something that kept showing NASCAR clips, and it's just so boring...RatGouf said:
I'm personally a fan of MotoGP and Touring Cars, so much more exciting, what with the interesting tracks, having to actually drive rather than just turn a bit every half a lap...
In terms of motorsport games, I'd say MotorStorm was awesome. Minimal realism, mucho explosions. The PSP version managed to be just as fun as the PS3 games, only with a little less "OHGOOOOOOOOOODNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO". People on the train don't take kindly to that.
The worst thing about both genres covered this week is that both could be far more interesting if the developers would just take a break from reality. Ban games developers from making any game based on any sport which appears on TV for the next five years and you might finally get something interesting. Well, that, or they'll stop making sports games, but I don't think they're quite that petty.
Hmmm I can see the appeal of super-realistic racing games - not everyone has the chance to drive a sports car through a difficult track and if the simulation is well done you can really get the feel of being the driver.
Fun racers are great with friends, too.
Sports games... the serious ones imo don't really execute in a way that you get the feeling of being a pro player. Instead you just play a videogame about a sport. It might be challenging PvP if the mechanics are complex enough, but doesn't really catch the vibe of the real game imo (where you are locked on one position), so for me those fail.
Fun sports games... well why not, if it is entertaining. Though I think adapting a sport for a fun game can actually hinder you to implement some good gameplay elements that might fit into the game.
Fun racers are great with friends, too.
Sports games... the serious ones imo don't really execute in a way that you get the feeling of being a pro player. Instead you just play a videogame about a sport. It might be challenging PvP if the mechanics are complex enough, but doesn't really catch the vibe of the real game imo (where you are locked on one position), so for me those fail.
Fun sports games... well why not, if it is entertaining. Though I think adapting a sport for a fun game can actually hinder you to implement some good gameplay elements that might fit into the game.
I like some sports games, including NFL and NHL games. I agree they're not "interesting" in the way that story-driven genres might be, and there's no unreality (except you know when that fucking fatass linebacker on x-rival team intercepts a pass by leaping 20 feet in the air and runs it back faster than the Flash on a Redbull IV).
Still there's a bit of fun taking a team you enjoy from day 1 of a season to the championship game. Especially for those of us who either played sports in our earlier years and had to give them up because: A. We had other interests, B. Weren't quite good enough to play in college or C. Got hurt and can't play anymore without serious injury risk. Sure you might be able to go "outside and play" but you're not going to be the Raiders getting revenge on the Tampa Bay Bucs in 2013's 10 year anniversary of the last Raiders/Bucs Super Bowl (hint the Raiders got their asses handed to them).
So yeah there's that.
On another note, I'm hoping that with Mutant League Football back on the Kickstarter campaign and doing better this time apparently, that we'd see more of the unconventional sports games come about. I miss the NBA Jam and NFL Blitz series as much as the next guy, and I'd love to see more odd-type games come about as well involving different popular sports. Just don't ever make them as frustrating as Blood Bowl.
Still there's a bit of fun taking a team you enjoy from day 1 of a season to the championship game. Especially for those of us who either played sports in our earlier years and had to give them up because: A. We had other interests, B. Weren't quite good enough to play in college or C. Got hurt and can't play anymore without serious injury risk. Sure you might be able to go "outside and play" but you're not going to be the Raiders getting revenge on the Tampa Bay Bucs in 2013's 10 year anniversary of the last Raiders/Bucs Super Bowl (hint the Raiders got their asses handed to them).
So yeah there's that.
On another note, I'm hoping that with Mutant League Football back on the Kickstarter campaign and doing better this time apparently, that we'd see more of the unconventional sports games come about. I miss the NBA Jam and NFL Blitz series as much as the next guy, and I'd love to see more odd-type games come about as well involving different popular sports. Just don't ever make them as frustrating as Blood Bowl.
I shouldn't post this. This is not the time or the place to post this. I'm clearly outnumbered. I shouldn't post this.
I can understand that racing games are boring for most people. Most people don't really care about driving fast enough to get investment out of a genre that shoots for reality so lividly that most larger racing games shouldn't be classified as video games anymore, rather, simulations.
I like a good racing sim. It's not the most entertaining way to pass time on the surface, but, just like any other game, there's a very, very high skillcap; the skills required to play a racing sim well are both not prevalent in other genres, and take serious investment to train before they become rewarding-- the promise of a shiny supercar won't do it for most people.
In the end, racing, as a thing, and not just a genre, is about pushing your limits and seeing how far you can go, hopefully farther, and in this case, faster, than the next guy.
Thus, the argument that racing games is boring is just as valid as if, I were to say, say, platformers are boring. All you do is jump from platform to platform, the levels have some variation, yeah, but they're very repetitive and everything feels like it's lined on a grid. Your character never changes throughout the genre, and your only weapon is your feet. You only go one direction and can only jump a certain height.
That argument is flawed, and I promise you, I'm not offended at the argument being used on racing games. I'm offended at how it was received.
I agree that Forza and GT have been releasing at an overwhelmingly fast rate, and the quality has been that of a production line product created with infinite funds, not something that was crafted artisans. Still, I ask of you one thing: do not deny that it takes serious investment to get into the racing genre, and guilty pleasure of mine since I was a kid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0Z1OJbqvQQ
I can understand that racing games are boring for most people. Most people don't really care about driving fast enough to get investment out of a genre that shoots for reality so lividly that most larger racing games shouldn't be classified as video games anymore, rather, simulations.
I like a good racing sim. It's not the most entertaining way to pass time on the surface, but, just like any other game, there's a very, very high skillcap; the skills required to play a racing sim well are both not prevalent in other genres, and take serious investment to train before they become rewarding-- the promise of a shiny supercar won't do it for most people.
In the end, racing, as a thing, and not just a genre, is about pushing your limits and seeing how far you can go, hopefully farther, and in this case, faster, than the next guy.
Thus, the argument that racing games is boring is just as valid as if, I were to say, say, platformers are boring. All you do is jump from platform to platform, the levels have some variation, yeah, but they're very repetitive and everything feels like it's lined on a grid. Your character never changes throughout the genre, and your only weapon is your feet. You only go one direction and can only jump a certain height.
That argument is flawed, and I promise you, I'm not offended at the argument being used on racing games. I'm offended at how it was received.
I agree that Forza and GT have been releasing at an overwhelmingly fast rate, and the quality has been that of a production line product created with infinite funds, not something that was crafted artisans. Still, I ask of you one thing: do not deny that it takes serious investment to get into the racing genre, and guilty pleasure of mine since I was a kid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0Z1OJbqvQQ
I shouldn't post this. This is not the time or the place to post this. I'm clearly outnumbered. I shouldn't post this.
I can understand that racing games are boring for most people. Most people don't really care about driving fast enough to get investment out of a genre that shoots for reality so lividly that most larger racing games shouldn't be classified as video games anymore, rather, simulations.
I like a good racing sim. It's not the most entertaining way to pass time on the surface, but, just like any other game, there's a very, very high skillcap; the skills required to play a racing sim well are both not prevalent in other genres, and take serious investment to train before they become rewarding-- the promise of a shiny supercar won't do it for most people.
In the end, racing, as a thing, and not just a genre, is about pushing your limits and seeing how far you can go, hopefully farther, and in this case, faster, than the next guy.
Thus, the argument that racing games is boring is just as valid as if, I were to say, say, platformers are boring. All you do is jump from platform to platform, the levels have some variation, yeah, but they're very repetitive and everything feels like it's lined on a grid. Your character never changes throughout the genre, and your only weapon is your feet. You only go one direction and can only jump a certain height.
That argument is flawed, and I promise you, I'm not offended at the argument being used on racing games. I'm offended at how it was received.
I agree that Forza and GT have been releasing at an overwhelmingly fast rate, and the quality has been that of a production line product created with infinite funds, not something that was crafted artisans. Still, I ask of you one thing: do not deny that it takes serious investment to get into the racing genre, a guilty pleasure of mine since I was a kid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0Z1OJbqvQQ
I can understand that racing games are boring for most people. Most people don't really care about driving fast enough to get investment out of a genre that shoots for reality so lividly that most larger racing games shouldn't be classified as video games anymore, rather, simulations.
I like a good racing sim. It's not the most entertaining way to pass time on the surface, but, just like any other game, there's a very, very high skillcap; the skills required to play a racing sim well are both not prevalent in other genres, and take serious investment to train before they become rewarding-- the promise of a shiny supercar won't do it for most people.
In the end, racing, as a thing, and not just a genre, is about pushing your limits and seeing how far you can go, hopefully farther, and in this case, faster, than the next guy.
Thus, the argument that racing games is boring is just as valid as if, I were to say, say, platformers are boring. All you do is jump from platform to platform, the levels have some variation, yeah, but they're very repetitive and everything feels like it's lined on a grid. Your character never changes throughout the genre, and your only weapon is your feet. You only go one direction and can only jump a certain height.
That argument is flawed, and I promise you, I'm not offended at the argument being used on racing games. I'm offended at how it was received.
I agree that Forza and GT have been releasing at an overwhelmingly fast rate, and the quality has been that of a production line product created with infinite funds, not something that was crafted artisans. Still, I ask of you one thing: do not deny that it takes serious investment to get into the racing genre, a guilty pleasure of mine since I was a kid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0Z1OJbqvQQ
Thanks for the recommendation, though between NFS: Most Wanted (2012 version) and Forza 3 I feel reasonably covered for both arcade-y racers and realistic ones. Getting points for knocking folks off the road isn't really necessary - I do that even without extra incentives in both games, if I'm so inspired. I just wish there were more options for how to play the game, though I credit NFS with some strong attempts to change things up a bit.UNHchabo said:
For want of a better way to put it, I'd like more risk-reward elements when it comes to designing a car. I go to guns from a fondness for the old tabletop game Car Wars. It seems like there would be a lot of fun to be had in a game which gives you limited funds and then asks you not only to set priorities between handling and horsepower but also how you're willing to compromise those by bolting on heavy armor and various weapons.
Love that lots of folks have mentioned BloodBowl - it pretty much scratches my (very rare) itch for sports games.
Nobody has mentioned Wipeout yet. Someone should. Now I have. A moment of silence for the late, great Psygnosis studio.
I think the picks were bad. Both genres are by far more fun than other possibilities like hidden object games like Myst or Skinner-Box Social Games like the facebook ones.
I've heard they are quite popular in Europe, but I think deciding what does and does not count as having mass appeal might be a fruitless conversation. I think they set themselves up for failure with that rule anyway, as what games are going to have mass appeal and be boring at the same time?SirBryghtside said:I miss Lego RacersTO be fair, the first rule of their debate was that it has to have mass appeal - sim games are aggressively niche.Gorrath said:
The rule itself immediately eliminates most of the genres most would consider boring in the first place. I think it makes them contort too much trying to find a game that somehow is both boring and has mass appeal. This is why they both end up having to back up their claims with points that strain credulity. One ends up arguing that there need to be sports games for sports you can't actually play, which there are, and thus the claim is invalid and should not have been awarded a point. Or you have the argument that racing games have not changed much, save for graphics, which is absurd, as any comparison between Pole Position for the Atari and Trackmania shows that new paint-jobs are hardly the only things that have evolved in the racing genre. Probably even more silly is that racing games are a subset of the sports genre anyway, so they end up making really similar arguments about how reality makes the games boring.
Anywho, I think the "sim work" games are popular enough to qualify, and even if not, then I think they are being too restrictive with the mass appeal qualification. IN any case, I think it hindered the episode a bit. Just my 2 cents.