No Right Answer: Who is Justice (Murderer Edition)

[Firefilm]

Who is Justice (Murderer Edition)

There are people out there who feel they know right from wrong. They judge others in areas that often drift from simple black and white to shades of grey. And then they murder the heck out of those people. Watch our own judges judge...the judgers.

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[Lonely Swordsman]

Justice without law is just petty revenge.
And I AM THE-... excuse me. I meant to say Judge Dredd is the law.
Therefore he is also justice.
Case closed.

 

[Redem]

I really like those debate, I usually dislike light but that one is great defense

I want a debate that resolve around who could be the greatest president

 

[Scarim Coral]

I agree with Kyle with this one eventhough I have read Deathnote but I've never had watch Dexter. The thing with Light is he's just a coward at heart as mention already Dexter can get his hand dirty in the name of justice while Light is using the Deathnote as his shield.

Also ha I thought with the title name and mentioning anime, I thought it was the character "Justice" from Afro Samurai.

 

[Eternal_Lament]

Having watched and liked both Death Note and Dexter, I have to agree that Dexter is the better form of Justice. Light may be more effective, but he is also less moral. He claims to do things for the sake of justice, but in doing so undermines the very core of the justice system. He just kills indiscriminantly those who break the law, without giving them their fair trial and their chance for redemption. Dexter kills only those who have managed to escape the justice system, either by constantly evading it, subverting it throuugh the courts, or through forsakeing their chance at redemption. In a sense Dexter is the fairer form, giving those who harm others a chance for redemption. The only times he doesn`t do that he receives some form of punishment himself, teaching him each time what he must really strive for while also protecting those he cares for, while Light never learns what his mistakes bring him and is willing to seel his own family out to save his own skin.

 

[Shadowstar38]

Good job Kyle. Dexter is clearly the winner from your argument alone(seeing as how Iv never seen the show). But I think next time we have something anime related we get a judge other than Dan. Just for biasness sake.

 

[Alar]

As much as I like Death Note, I have to agree with the judgement. Light is not Justice, he's a whackball who thought he was doing the right thing, and in the end was killing lots of innocent people who were only upholding the law.

If anyone in that show is Justice, then it would have to be L.

 

[Mikeyfell]

Who is Justice (Murderer Edition)

There are people out there who feel they know right from wrong. They judge others in areas that often drift from simple black and white to shades of grey. And then they murder the heck out of those people. Watch our own judges judge...the judgers.

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I have a question about the questions

Do we ask them like

This Vs. That?
or do we ask them
What's the best blank?

Thanks.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

THERE'S NO JUSTICE, THERE'S JUST US.​

 

[leviadragon99]

Mmm, I think Dan's anti-anime bias came into play here, but I still ultimately agree with the final judgement.

 

[RandV80]

Problem with the Death Note in this argument is that Light becomes corrupted by it's power. And technically this is supposed to happen as the death god comes right out and says at the start that it's a cursed item and those that use it will find misfortune and death.

And while it was a good show I wasn't convinced with the writing for the transition period, as Light's corruption starts when he needlessly kills that FBI agent even when he evaded their suspicion, and followed that up by killing the other FBI agent who was his wife/girlfriend/lover.

So screw Light, when it comes to justice I'll take Dr. Tenma from Monster.

 

[Harbinger_]

Dexter was in no way justice he was a sociopath that needed to justify his desire to murder and sure he had to live a double-life like batman but do you know what batman isn't? A sociopath who needs to justify his desire for murder.

Light also had to lead a double-life as well and it could be said that he made the ultimate sacrifice of losing his afterlife to attain his view of a utopia. Also when it comes to being 'justice' Dexter nails whatever criminals he can locate and does so in some cases by brutally destroying the bodies of those involved whereas Light finds multiple criminals and has been accepted.

Justice as an ideal needs to be accepted for it to work otherwise it's just vigilantism.

 

[therandombear]

Justice without law is just petty revenge.
And I AM THE-... excuse me. I meant to say Judge Dredd is the law.
Therefore he is also justice.
Case closed.

He agrees with you.

OT: Not watched Dexter...I've read Death Note. I liked Death Note, kinda rooting for him in the end aswell tbh. >.>


We can ask questions here aswell?

Anyways...I support that facebook comment I saw, who is the best debater. Chris for Kyle and Kyle for Chris. xD

 

[RTR]

How about John Wayne vs. Clint Eastwood? First thing that comes to mind right now.

 

[wolf thing]

vhalior from planescape torment, he is the physical manifestation of justice, he eats justice and shits out twice the amount of justice. he is a justice multiplier.

 

[Monty McDougal]

I choose V from V for Vendetta
Suggestion: Who is the best voice actor ever.

 

[Zorg Machine]

Kyle had better arguments...but he was wrong. Dexter has to kill and tries to justify his actions. Light chooses to kill in pursuit of justice.

One pursues justice and the other tries to use justice as an excuse.

 

[Aureliano]

Yay Kyle wins legitimately this time! Also Anime is stupid!

No Right Answer Argument Suggestion: Least child-appropriate childrens' cartoon ever.

 

[Asita]

Light also had to lead a double-life as well and it could be said that he made the ultimate sacrifice of losing his afterlife to attain his view of a utopia. Also when it comes to being 'justice' Dexter nails whatever criminals he can locate and does so in some cases by brutally destroying the bodies of those involved whereas Light finds multiple criminals and has been accepted.

No he didn't. The end of the series makes it very explicit that Light immediately caught on that Ryuk's line about about "not going to heaven or hell" was technically accurate but misleading. To be a bit more specific, the conclusion the story went with, and which Light recognized was that:

Spoiler

Neither actually existed. Ryuk confirms this by first noting his amazement that Light figured it out, as he thought all humans believed in heaven and hell, and then by saying that in death all people were equal and that what awaited everyone was "Mu" (roughly translates to nothingness, though the term famously has philosophical connotations in which it's used to imply that the question being asked was incorrect in premise). In this context, Ryuk's statement (confirmed by the mangaka) is that the concept of an afterlife is faulty, as people cease to exist after death.

More on topic, I've got to say I'm a bit surprised that they didn't get into the strongest point in Light's favor: however abhorrent his motivations became, the system was actually doing exactly what he planned. As recognized by Near, Light's actions actually reduced crime rates by 70% worldwide and effectively stopped wars. The scale on which his actions affected the world was simply incredible, and he made use of that to not only envision but to actually implement global change. Effectiveness has to count for something.