Non-canon stuff you liked more than canon?
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YepAerosteam said:
Wasn't there an edition between "Greedo Shot First" and "Han Shot First but lets clean this movie up a bit" that features Dash Rendar on his ship leaving Mos Eisley? If not than the Darth Bane book trilogy and KotOR 1 (light side) is something I still consider canon.FPLOON said:Han shot first...
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I like the creepy fan theory (don't think it's true creepy-pasta) about Angelica imagining all of the Rugrats episodes because Deedee and Mrs. Saville had miscarried. I don't like how she was addicted to heroine though...for fuck's sake guys, she's 3. Her not understanding about miscarriage and pretending her cousin Tommy was alive, her not understanding miscarriage and pretending that Mrs. Saville had twins to make up for not knowing what the baby would have been, Chucky being afraid because he's seen the worst of Deedee reacting to outside mention of her own miscarriage...I love those elements of the fan theory. Once you introduce Dil though it gets kinda bad again...I just ignore that...like how I ignore those episodes.
I also really like the film theory that Jules from Pulp Fiction went on to become Nick Fury. I'm positive there's a deleted scene somewhere wherein Nick buys a coffee or something and the barista raises an eyebrow at the "Bad Mother Fucker" wallet.
So, my enterpretation on "non-canon" is a peace of story written by somebody who may not be the original author or creator. I really liked Alvin earthworm's "Super Mario Bros. Z" though not a playable game i thoroughly liked the story and wish there were new episodes.
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http://www.newgrounds.com/collection/supermariobrosz
Since all of the Star Wars EU is considered non-canon now... no, I won't go down that road. That road is far too long.
I guess if we're looking at everything that isn't official, or what have you, The Protomen use a rock-opera to tell a damn good dystopian reimagining of the original Mega Man series. The Megas also take some liberties, although they don't go in such a radically different direction, they still tell a pretty believable story. Mega Man X Command Mission (as long as I'm on the subject of Mega Man) is not considered canon, but is a pretty damn fun game.
Other than that, I don't really care much for something that's outside of the main canon. Whenever I'm watching an anime that starts to get off track from it's source material, be it a manga, visual novel, or light novel, I can always tell, and things get dumb.
Actually... speaking of visual novels, the anime for Shuffle! takes all of the girls routes and tries to work them into one story (as most VN_based anime does), with the main character settling on one girl in the end. The thing is, while all the other liberties they take are absurd and cheesy as all hell, the one spin they do put one character results in the most believable and horrifying psychological break-down of a character I've ever seen in an anime. The visual novel keeps it fairly light-hearted, but the show goes in the opposite direction, and it was a risk worth taking. Way better than what happens in the visual novel. Like I said, though... it's the only liberty they took that was worth while. But damn was it worth it.
I guess if we're looking at everything that isn't official, or what have you, The Protomen use a rock-opera to tell a damn good dystopian reimagining of the original Mega Man series. The Megas also take some liberties, although they don't go in such a radically different direction, they still tell a pretty believable story. Mega Man X Command Mission (as long as I'm on the subject of Mega Man) is not considered canon, but is a pretty damn fun game.
Other than that, I don't really care much for something that's outside of the main canon. Whenever I'm watching an anime that starts to get off track from it's source material, be it a manga, visual novel, or light novel, I can always tell, and things get dumb.
Actually... speaking of visual novels, the anime for Shuffle! takes all of the girls routes and tries to work them into one story (as most VN_based anime does), with the main character settling on one girl in the end. The thing is, while all the other liberties they take are absurd and cheesy as all hell, the one spin they do put one character results in the most believable and horrifying psychological break-down of a character I've ever seen in an anime. The visual novel keeps it fairly light-hearted, but the show goes in the opposite direction, and it was a risk worth taking. Way better than what happens in the visual novel. Like I said, though... it's the only liberty they took that was worth while. But damn was it worth it.
Knights of the Old Republic and Jedi Academy, since the latter seems to have been scraped because (I assume) it made too much sense.
I honestly have no idea what's considered canon and non-canon in Star Wars at this point, but I always liked:
-The Grand Admiral Thrawn storyline. Thrawn was just such a great villain, and it was nice to have an Imperial bad guy who wasn't a mustache twirling Bond villain.
-The Dark Troopers from Dark Forces. As advanced as the Star Wars universe is supposed to be, I always found it strange they didn't seem to utilize cyborgs or genetic engineering or Super Soldiers, so the Dark Troopers sort of answered that. Plus they looked awesome.
-The Grand Admiral Thrawn storyline. Thrawn was just such a great villain, and it was nice to have an Imperial bad guy who wasn't a mustache twirling Bond villain.
-The Dark Troopers from Dark Forces. As advanced as the Star Wars universe is supposed to be, I always found it strange they didn't seem to utilize cyborgs or genetic engineering or Super Soldiers, so the Dark Troopers sort of answered that. Plus they looked awesome.
Dark Troopers are Battle Droids, while the main boss of the game was a power armor. Battle Droids were made illegal by the Empire after the issues with the Trade Federation and Assassin Droids (IG-88) were made illegal long before the Empire. Of course the Empire is evil so they don't have to follow their own rules. Would not have been much of a fight if the project aboard the Arc Hammer had of been completed, Rebels would not have stood a chance.Ihateregistering1 said:
OnTopic: All the Star Wars ones are pretty much mentioned, also what the Hell is Darth Jar Jar? I would have liked the good ending to be canon in Metro:2033, it was a pretty nice way to end it, of course there would not have been sequels though.
Dragonball Z Budokai 2 is widely regarded as one of the worst DBZ 3D fighting games, so much so that in the Remastered Budokai collection, they just didn't include it. And that's a damn shame. Cuz the game does some awesome shit. Including
-Tiencha
-Gokule
- Super Buu absorptions of Vegeta, Frieza, Cell, and again, Tien/Yamcha
Also I guess like all of the Koei Warriors franchise. I think a few liberties had been taken with... um, our earth canon.
-Tiencha
-Gokule
- Super Buu absorptions of Vegeta, Frieza, Cell, and again, Tien/Yamcha
Also I guess like all of the Koei Warriors franchise. I think a few liberties had been taken with... um, our earth canon.
I don't get this at all. (Well, okay, I get it. I just don't think it should be assumed that it's an offensive and obvious mistake Disney made). No one expects Marvel movies to adhere to every comic. It's a separate universe and both can exist without disregarding each other entirely. Same for historical movies and book adaptations. Movies hire writers for a reason--it's silly to expect them to use existing material as their script. And EU material for any universe is a daunting thing to get through--and of questionable and varied quality depending on who you ask.FalloutJack said:
I agree with you on DBGT. While I think all of the Super Saiyan stuff got stupid once every Saiyan and his dog was able to achieve it (they really should've stopped with Goku) I vastly prefer Super Saiyan level 4 over Toriyama's idiotic "Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan" nonsense.Hairless Mammoth said:
I really liked Yosuke's Route in Persona 4 Arena. I think it's where all the writing talent went for most of the game to be honest, Yosuke's Route and Labrys' backstory were pretty much the only things that made much of an impact on me. The entire character development of the fuckin' loser of the group being the one winning was great. Particularly because he still does stupid ass shit because he's damn Yosuke and I love him, the fucking goon.
Let's be honest here too, Yosuke/Labrys is the cutest thing and I hate them for cutting it entirely from Ultimax. It was so good! You have Yosuke finally getting a girl to go out with him (and he was smooth as hell about it too) then she turns out to be a bloody robot. HA! The look on his face! The crushing despair was real!
Then he steps up to fight Aigis as to who gets to fight Shabrys in the end even after they both decide that Aigis would have a way better shot at winning. I really think the entire writing department burned out after writing Yosuke's Route cuz most of the rest is generic as hell.
Of course the canon route was what happened in Yu's Route because of course it is. He's the Broswagtagonist after all, missing about all of his existing charm because I hate the way they made him for the anime and the Arena Yu is like a watered down version of the anime Yu.
I dropped Ultimax after what was probably the best scene in the game too. Shabrys pops back into existence, almost outright murders the main villain of the game who had previously been an unstoppable force then goes back into Labrys' psyche not because of a sense of mercy or duty to Labrys but because this friendship crap is fucking lame, i'm outta here before I throw up.
Seriously would have been cool to have an alternate scene where she does kill the guy even if just as a bad ending. Then again I come from BlazBlue so a character merely getting killed in a fair 1v1 is weak as far as bad endings go. Never gonna get over Makoto's bad ending...
"Well now Colonel, what's with that look?"
Let's be honest here too, Yosuke/Labrys is the cutest thing and I hate them for cutting it entirely from Ultimax. It was so good! You have Yosuke finally getting a girl to go out with him (and he was smooth as hell about it too) then she turns out to be a bloody robot. HA! The look on his face! The crushing despair was real!
Then he steps up to fight Aigis as to who gets to fight Shabrys in the end even after they both decide that Aigis would have a way better shot at winning. I really think the entire writing department burned out after writing Yosuke's Route cuz most of the rest is generic as hell.
Of course the canon route was what happened in Yu's Route because of course it is. He's the Broswagtagonist after all, missing about all of his existing charm because I hate the way they made him for the anime and the Arena Yu is like a watered down version of the anime Yu.
I dropped Ultimax after what was probably the best scene in the game too. Shabrys pops back into existence, almost outright murders the main villain of the game who had previously been an unstoppable force then goes back into Labrys' psyche not because of a sense of mercy or duty to Labrys but because this friendship crap is fucking lame, i'm outta here before I throw up.
Seriously would have been cool to have an alternate scene where she does kill the guy even if just as a bad ending. Then again I come from BlazBlue so a character merely getting killed in a fair 1v1 is weak as far as bad endings go. Never gonna get over Makoto's bad ending...
"Well now Colonel, what's with that look?"
1) The Knights of the Old Republic series before TOR. TOR erased all of my choices from the first two games and (I feel) showed considerable disrespect to the characters of the first two games- particularly galling when the second game-which lacked a data import feature-still let players determine how the previous game played out through dialogue.
2) The Baldur's Gate Saga... Wizard of the Coast pretty much spit in the eye of every fan of the game with the godawful novelizations, but then years later when they decided to bring the setting-Forgotten Realms-into 5th edition, they decided to revisit that awful dross and reafirm its place in canon for all time. Not only is Abdel confirmed, once again, to be the canon Bhaalspawn, but his deeds (the player's) are deliberately downplayed, before he gets assassinated by a gag character whose defining trait from the games was his cowardice. Shortly afterward, the evil god Bhaal is reborn from the essence of his slain children. So the player character's soul is destroyed forever and everything you worked for over the entire Baldur's Gate trilogy is wiped out.
But hey, Minsc got a statue, so I guess fans of the series are supposed to be grateful or something?
3) Geneforge III....(spoilers)... Playing Rebel-aligned in that game in particular just seems like such a betrayal. They use creations as cannon fodder despite their stated position of creations being equal to humans, they use dangerous, disfiguring, mentally damaging mutagens as an irresponsible shortcut to magical powers and which they have engineered addictive qualities for recruitment purposes. And if you do decide to drink the cool aid and join their faction in order to improve the quality of life for creations, you'll have to become complicit in the murder of prisoners of war, (you actually have to murder a nearby high-ranking member of the Shaper Order-one with rebel-sympathies, no less-so the rebels can execute some shaper hostages without fearing reprisal from said Shaper.) Post game you go on to aid in the massacre of many, many shapers and anyone who harbors or sympathises with them. Unfortunately, that's canon. (end spoilers)
Honorable mention goes to Skyrim and Fallout New Vegas, for using gender-neutral pronouns throughout the entire game to refer to previous protagonists (Morrowind, Fallout II), only to throw it away in a single dialogue...why even bother going through all that trouble like that if you are going to drop the pretext of leaving it up to the player's imagination at the last minute?
2) The Baldur's Gate Saga... Wizard of the Coast pretty much spit in the eye of every fan of the game with the godawful novelizations, but then years later when they decided to bring the setting-Forgotten Realms-into 5th edition, they decided to revisit that awful dross and reafirm its place in canon for all time. Not only is Abdel confirmed, once again, to be the canon Bhaalspawn, but his deeds (the player's) are deliberately downplayed, before he gets assassinated by a gag character whose defining trait from the games was his cowardice. Shortly afterward, the evil god Bhaal is reborn from the essence of his slain children. So the player character's soul is destroyed forever and everything you worked for over the entire Baldur's Gate trilogy is wiped out.
But hey, Minsc got a statue, so I guess fans of the series are supposed to be grateful or something?
3) Geneforge III....(spoilers)... Playing Rebel-aligned in that game in particular just seems like such a betrayal. They use creations as cannon fodder despite their stated position of creations being equal to humans, they use dangerous, disfiguring, mentally damaging mutagens as an irresponsible shortcut to magical powers and which they have engineered addictive qualities for recruitment purposes. And if you do decide to drink the cool aid and join their faction in order to improve the quality of life for creations, you'll have to become complicit in the murder of prisoners of war, (you actually have to murder a nearby high-ranking member of the Shaper Order-one with rebel-sympathies, no less-so the rebels can execute some shaper hostages without fearing reprisal from said Shaper.) Post game you go on to aid in the massacre of many, many shapers and anyone who harbors or sympathises with them. Unfortunately, that's canon. (end spoilers)
Honorable mention goes to Skyrim and Fallout New Vegas, for using gender-neutral pronouns throughout the entire game to refer to previous protagonists (Morrowind, Fallout II), only to throw it away in a single dialogue...why even bother going through all that trouble like that if you are going to drop the pretext of leaving it up to the player's imagination at the last minute?
Getting on board the Indoctrination Theory train as well. I'll be in the Bubble of Love & Friendship car if you need me.
Outside of that, do preferences for choice based games count (such as Fable III, where the canon seems to state that the Hero is male, didn't keep all his promises with his allies, and married an Auroan woman, whereas my headcanon dictates the Hero is a woman, kept all her promises, and married Elliot)?
Outside of that, do preferences for choice based games count (such as Fable III, where the canon seems to state that the Hero is male, didn't keep all his promises with his allies, and married an Auroan woman, whereas my headcanon dictates the Hero is a woman, kept all her promises, and married Elliot)?
The ending portrayed in the Mass Effect Happy Ending mod.
A lot of the Star Wars EU, I haven't read it all, but what I have was very good compared to the average feeling of the 6 official movies.
A lot of the Star Wars EU, I haven't read it all, but what I have was very good compared to the average feeling of the 6 official movies.
Now that the expanded universe is technically no longer canon, I can definitely say that there were plenty of Star Wars EU novels that were far better than Episodes I, II, III, and VI.
In the Halo universe I prefer how the Battle of Reach is portrayed in the novel "The Fall of Reach" as opposed to Halo:Reach. While there are some elements in Halo Reach that would mesh well with the novel, whenever it comes to story elements that contradict each other I prefer the novel over the video game.