Not sure I get all the Nintendo Bashing that goes on around here.

[Dragonforce525]

I hate the Wii because the library of games are either obvious/few (Zelda, Mario, Metroid etc etc) or shit, also I despise motion control, it's not too bad on the Wii as you can play most games just by flicking your wrist but I don't see anything wrong with buttons and analog sticks (yes the Wii technically has buttons and analog sticks but you know what I mean).

 

[KiLl_RoY]

Everyone i heard that owns a Wii, gets bored and i mean everyone.
Most of friends are changing, selling the Wii for an XBOX or PS3

 

[RatheMcGrath]

The reason is is that they abandoned hardcore gamers. At least Sega went down respectably, they went solely for the money.

Hang on. We're going to call Nintendo making Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, a sell out, while we are going to call Sonic Team making Sonic Unleashed "going down respectably?" Want to rethink that statement?

Nintendo did not "Abandon" Hardcore gamers. You want shooty fun action? Play Metroid Prime: Corruption, in my opinion the best use of motion controls to date, and a fantastic game even when held up against the earlier metroids, which were hardly farmville.

Your argument to me sounds like the fan of a band who accuses the band of "selling out" because they are no longer starving artists. Nintendo is still making the great games. They are also making the "toy" games for the casual crowd. Did you expect them to stay exclusive to you? A bit naive, given that you are paying for the relationship.

 

[Aesir23]

First, Welcome to the Escapist. We own your soul.

Now, I won't speak for everyone because I'm not a mind reader. However, the reason I disliked Nintendo for awhile is because after the release of the Wii, they seemed to be catering almost solely to kids under the age of 10 years old. I'm not talking about graphics, I'm talking about games like Cooking Mama, and all of the f***ing mini games! It seemed like whenever I went to look for a game for the Wii, I had to severely lower my standards and when it comes to video games, I hate having to lower my standards just to find something to play. As it is, I've owned a Wii for three years and I only have six games for it. As opposed to my PS3, which I've owned for six months and I currently own ten games for that system.

A lot of the games that you are complaining about are third party games that have nothing in common with Nintendo other then being on the Wii, so I can't see how you dislike them specifically for that.
And while I understand that some games aren't your cup of tea, there are still many games out there that can be very fun, if you are into the genre. Just because it has motion controls and a lot of shit third party games does not mean that there aren't any good games at all.

It's not so much dislike as it is frustration because the Wii has so much potential. A lot of which we're seeing now.

And I never said that there aren't any good games on the Wii. There are quite a few Wii games that I have thoroughly enjoyed. I enjoyed games like Resident Evil: Darkside Chronicles, No More Heroes, Red Steel and Twilight Princess. So it's not that there aren't any good games for the Wii, they're just a little hard to find. Maybe it's because developers were trying to figure out how to develop games with motion controls, but I could be wrong.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

In another fifty years, they'll all be singing a different song when titles like Super Mario Bros. 3 and Super Metroid are looked upon the way that Moby Dick and Tom Sawyer currently are in the literary sphere.

Not by Roger Ebert

Anyway, the reason people dislike, not hate, Nintendo is their shameless milking of franchises (See George Lucas). It's not that we don't actually like Metroid, Mario, Goldeneye et al. it's just that Nintendo see it as a way of printing money and don't do anything really NEW with the licenses.

It's just "Here's a new Mario game. You WILL like it."

How about something a little different? That isn't just respawning the same character in a different ground; and not respawning in the sort of titles gamers want to see. (Also see Sonic)

It's like Disney, some of their earlier stuff was astounding and they KNOW how to make people feel kinship with their properties, but then it's milk-milk-milk and it produces vehement fans that scream for more...and always feel slightly dissapointed when it's the same thing.

Pixar understands. Valve understands. Even Blizzard understands that more of the same isn't necessarily a good thing. Activision/Electronic Arts does the same thing as Nintendo, rather than try something new, they just re-re-re-re-re-re-release the same stuff to the ravening fans.

And it's those fans, and Nintendo's squeezing of them, that creates the hate. Terry Pratchett has created 38 re-makes of the Discworld, and a few are duds, but on the whole he innovates.

Nintendo just unnovates. (That's a word now )

Edit: Oh, and welcome, we try not to flame here. Unless it's Kotick, Langdell, Thompson or the like

 

[Audio]

Every company gets a bashing on a public forum

I'd imagine Nintendo lovers are seen as childish and not so cool as the rest.

 

[Ekit]

Really? We're hating on the big 3?

You know who else rehashes a lot? Car companies. You get a new Corolla every year like clockwork.

I mean, step back from ZP for a second. Each individual entry of the flagship franchises has been a work of art on its own merits. I'm not sure that I buy that there is anything inherently wrong with respinning an old yarn, particularly when they do it so well each time. Now obviously if you don't like one Zelda game you are unlikely to like any of them, but very few people complain about getting more of a good thing. Particularly when you reflect on how each has defined its genre in almost every iteration, it's hard to imagine the games industry (at least in the action/adventure genre) without these series contributing.

Even Yahtzee had to admit after his rants that despite disliking the idea of the rehashing, that the games involved are fun. Nintendo isn't trying to create a story, they are creating a gaming experience, and they are very, very good at it.

If refining an experience with improving technology is a bad thing, that might explain a lot about the current state of games.

... That is an excellent argument!

OT: I think it's because most of the escapist are hardcore gamers and the Wii is marketed more to kids.

Personally I don't see any problem with casual gaming as I think it's a great way of introducing new people to the medium, thus making it more popular and increasing the possibilities for new, unique games.

Also, welcome to The Escapist! Even though I feel weird for saying that since I am a nobody here.

 

[Billion Backs]

It depends on what kind of Nintendo bashing you're talking about.

The Wii thing is just one aspect of it. I actually like the Wii, as a PC gamer I find it more then capable of filling in when I'm bored of being a glorious broad-chested golden-haired member of the PC master race.

The motion control gimmick is almost amusing, as well.

Now if we're going to talk about Nintendo as a game developer, too many people are nostalgic and don't see how Nintendo lost the spark. Had they been a band, it would be "selling out". Most awesome Nintendo games come from franchises that were created decades ago... And even in those cases, people tend to look back to some specific games that have been out since the 90s if not earlier and not something newer by the same company.

So, uh, meh. I can't classify myself as much of a fanboy when it comes to companies, any companies. Do not care.

 

[Mr. In-between]

The reason is is that they abandoned hardcore gamers. At least Sega went down respectably, they went solely for the money.

Hang on. We're going to call Nintendo making Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, a sell out, while we are going to call Sonic Team making Sonic Unleashed "going down respectably?" Want to rethink that statement?

Nintendo did not "Abandon" Hardcore gamers. You want shooty fun action? Play Metroid Prime: Corruption, in my opinion the best use of motion controls to date, and a fantastic game even when held up against the earlier metroids, which were hardly farmville.

Your argument to me sounds like the fan of a band who accuses the band of "selling out" because they are no longer starving artists. Nintendo is still making the great games. They are also making the "toy" games for the casual crowd. Did you expect them to stay exclusive to you? A bit naive, given that you are paying for the relationship.

In the minds of a good percentage of this forum, Nintendo "abandoned hard core gamers" by not putting gore, profanity, and tits into every single one of their games.

Also, Wii doesn't have the latest carbon-copy multiplayer FPS (probably because Nintendo "lacks originality") or a reputation score to show everyone how much of your life you waste.

 

[Low Key]

You have to take what's being said with a grain of salt. Sometimes I bash Nintendo, but it's all in good fun, the same type of fun when I bash Microsoft and/or Sony even though I own/have owned their products too. I have played the Wii and I rather like it and I used to own an NES and Gameboy which gave me fond memories as a child.

You can't take everything you read on the internet so seriously. I don't know what everyone else is saying because I'm too lazy to scroll up and read the replies, but I have to assume others have said the same thing as me. If they haven't, then they are probably fanboys.

 

[manythings]

This sounds like a case of someone feeling so threatened about other peoples perceptions that they HAVE to justify themsleves.

You have an opinion and that is OK. Some people will SHARE this opinion with you, some will REVILE your opinion and the rest will NOT CARE. If you enjoy 90 different Zeldas and Marios and Metroids hurrah for you, I wouldn't. We don't need to argue we just have different tastes.

 

[Ranorak]

I like nintendo in general.
Love Zelda, metroid, Mario, Pokemon etc.

I'm just slightly disappointed in the major titles on the Wii.

 

[pretentiousname01]

In the minds of a good percentage of this forum, Nintendo "abandoned hard core gamers" by not putting gore, profanity, and tits into every single one of their games.

You should also add the word "content" to your list.

A vast majority of the games contain none. Shallow mini games that unless drinks or a majority of non gamer friends are over to play. Do games have alot of non gamer friends?

 

[Low Key]

In the minds of a good percentage of this forum, Nintendo "abandoned hard core gamers" by not putting gore, profanity, and tits into every single one of their games.

I certainly hope that's not the excuse because when have they ever put those things into a game? They sometimes allude to it, but Nintendo has always been about family fun. Always.

 

[wolf thing]

i dont hate them but im getting a little bored with the connstint squeals but if the quality stays it will be ok

 

[Mr. In-between]

In the minds of a good percentage of this forum, Nintendo "abandoned hard core gamers" by not putting gore, profanity, and tits into every single one of their games.

I certainly hope that's not the excuse because when have they ever put those things into a game? They sometimes allude to it, but Nintendo has always been about family fun. Always.

No that seriously is an excuse.

Time and time again, I see Nintendo-bashing posts that center around the fact that their IPs are for kids. So I gave it some thought and I figured out that it's not that Mario, Zelda, and Metroid are for kids; it's just that teenagers want to distance themselves from Nintendo's IPs because they figure that it makes them look more grown up, which definitely isn't the case.

Younger children have done this with Barney. As toddlers, they had Barney shirts, toys, etc but around the age of 8 they try to distance themselves from Barney in an effort to look like the "big kids". Teenagers practice the same behavior with Nintendo because they see that parents generally approve of Mario and Link and they want to assert themselves as adults (despite the fact that they are more than willing to dress like assholes and read Twilight).

So yeah: you show me someone who only watches horror movies and American Pie films, and I'll show you the average person who bitches about Nintendo being "childish".

 

[shaboinkin]

In the minds of a good percentage of this forum, Nintendo "abandoned hard core gamers" by not putting gore, profanity, and tits into every single one of their games.

You should also add the word "content" to your list.

A vast majority of the games contain none. Shallow mini games that unless drinks or a majority of non gamer friends are over to play. Do games have alot of non gamer friends?

Nintendo doesn't really release games that are full of minigames (minus Mario Party) Wii Sport/play/and resort are more like tech demos then anything else if that's what you are thinking

You are thinking about all of the other gaming publishers that release shovelware up the ass

 

[Mcupobob]

I like nintendo they introduced me to gaming and a whole new subculture I just don't care for it as much anymore, I've tried going back to it and god knows i've spent a good portion of my weekends playing sims castaway on the wii but I just can't get into their games anymore.

 

[Mariakitten]

They shamelessly sold out, The Wii's graphics capability is pathetic, they keep rereleasing the same games, Theres that whole wii motion gimmick, and the big kicker...no Blazblue (be which I mean poor relations with third party developers)! True I dont like the Wii but I dont feel the need to shout my opinion at the masses, I'm only doing so now because you asked. But hey, if you like the Wii thats great, I hope you enjoy it...[HEADING=3]I just dont[/HEADING].

 

[Kuhkren]

I like the Wii, may be tempted to eventually buy one. Play a lot of fps games on PC because I like the intensity and the graphics. However there is a large Wii library for horror and you can play with four people in one room (which is great social interaction and something I feel a lot of people overlook). Really wish they would release more original titles and ideas though.